Transformers Has Bay made a statement why the most-popular SOUNDWAVE was not in the film?

[lars573]

How do you figure??????????Are you one of those people that can never admit when you've made a mistake??????
2 times = 2 times not never

close to never but not close enough.....and how can you tell me who I was thinking of??????? The 2 episodes I stated that had Soundwave playing music I remembered right off the top of my head with out having to look them up at all.....so how can you tell me I was thinking about Blaster when I was right about witch eps. had Soundwave playing music????

2 times out of all his appearances is never. Because Blaster always played music. About the only times he didn't was in "The key to Vector Sigma", and in season 3 when he was more like Soundwave. Just kind of there to spit out tapes when the plot demanded it.

When you authoritatively state "NEVER EVER" and then someone cites at least ONE time (much less TWO) you've been proven wrong. 2 does not equal never. Neither does 1. "Seldom," yes.

Seldom would be 8 or 9 times out of let's say 80 or so appearances. Never is 2 or 3 times. Never is what I said not never ever.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

When you authoritatively state "NEVER EVER" and then someone cites at least ONE time (much less TWO) you've been proven wrong. 2 does not equal never. Neither does 1. "Seldom," yes.

Actually when you read my post it says also "if he did - it was very rare". As it was. Twice. Out of 98 episodes, 60 some of which featured Soundwave. If Blaster and Jazz were music loving culturalists, Soundwave was the opposite extreme - someone so devoid of culture he opted to speak in an efficient, quiet manner rather than normally. Soundwave did NEVER play music, the only reason those episodes would show it is because of the shows vast problems with consistency. Blaster, a boombox, did it all the damn time.

So what do we have
1) A poster who got the alt.mode wrong, associating it with the Autobot Boombox
2) A poster who got the personality wrong, associating it with the Autobot music lover, a boombox named Blaster.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

oh and season 1 had 16 episodes not 10 even if you lump all the multi parters in to 1 episode each you come up with 12 not 10

He wasn't including the multi parters. 10 stand alone episodes were produced for that season, and they were random to say the least. "More Than Meets the Eye" practically doesn't count with the rest of the show due to how much it conflicts with everything that comes after.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Actually when you read my post it says also "if he did - it was very rare". As it was. Twice. Out of 98 episodes, 60 some of which featured Soundwave. If Blaster and Jazz were music loving culturalists, Soundwave was the opposite extreme - someone so devoid of culture he opted to speak in an efficient, quiet manner rather than normally. Soundwave did NEVER play music, the only reason those episodes would show it is because of the shows vast problems with consistency. Blaster, a boombox, did it all the damn time.

So what do we have
1) A poster who got the alt.mode wrong, associating it with the Autobot Boombox
2) A poster who got the personality wrong, associating it with the Autobot music lover, a boombox named Blaster.

I never said that Soundwave enjoyed playing music or that he did it all the time.I was trying to explain why so many kids where I grew up liked Soundwave so much.
A] I did not get the alt mode wrong....I was saying that Soundwave looked like a boom box on the show.and he did on many episodes.And you were the one that clamed that he had no external speakers....but he did have stikers of external speakers look at the catolog photo I'm posting after this post.
B] I never stated anything about Soundwaves personality.Nowhere in my post do I even refer to how Soundwave liked or disliked music in any form....just that he in fact did play music on the show...and how it had an effect on kids growing up in the area in witch I grew up.

Maybe you should stop trying to figure out what a poster is saying in a post and really read it.Stoping putting words in my post that are not there.....or read it again.
You and Lars573 have both stated that he NEVER played music out loud on the show.....and I have proven that he DID.....2 times might not be much but it proves that he DID!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

He wasn't including the multi parters. 10 stand alone episodes were produced for that season, and they were random to say the least. "More Than Meets the Eye" practically doesn't count with the rest of the show due to how much it conflicts with everything that comes after.

Incorrect again because if you use your way of thinking about "stand alone episodes" in season 1 you have to lump together "SOS DINOBOTS" and "WAR OF THE DINOBOTS" and "COUNTDOWN TO EXTINCTION" with "THE ULTIMATE DOOM 3 parter" witch would make 7 stand alone since these storys dont make sence with out there story predasessers.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Actually when you read my post it says also "if he did - it was very rare". As it was. Twice. Out of 98 episodes, 60 some of which featured Soundwave. If Blaster and Jazz were music loving culturalists, Soundwave was the opposite extreme - someone so devoid of culture he opted to speak in an efficient, quiet manner rather than normally. Soundwave did NEVER play music, the only reason those episodes would show it is because of the shows vast problems with consistency. Blaster, a boombox, did it all the damn time.

So what do we have
1) A poster who got the alt.mode wrong, associating it with the Autobot Boombox
2) A poster who got the personality wrong, associating it with the Autobot music lover, a boombox named Blaster.

But your right about I thing......In your post you did say " if he did it was rare" ....and rare it was.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Incorrect again because if you use your way of thinking about "stand alone episodes" in season 1 you have to lump together "SOS DINOBOTS" and "WAR OF THE DINOBOTS" and "COUNTDOWN TO EXTINCTION" with "THE ULTIMATE DOOM 3 parter" witch would make 7 stand alone since these storys dont make sence with out there story predasessers.

Those are all stand alones. Just because a show reuses character doesn't make episodes not stand alones. There is no "SOS Dinobots" part 2 or "Countdown to Extinction" parts 1, 2 and 3, nor was the "exponential generator" in Ultimate Doom. They all stand by themselves. "Days of the Future Past" isn't connected directly to "Enter...the Sentinels". And all those stories make sense without the episodes that came before them. For example "War of the Dinobots" the Dinobots are re-established at the beginning and are conerced by the Decepticons into defecting. No prior episodes needed to explain the plot. Now if we were talking about "Questioned Authority" and "Flashpoint" in JLU, you might have a point...as any viewer (who didn't see the "Last time on Justice League" intro) might be a little confused as to why the Watchtower is experiencing a full power shutdown. However Transformers, if you go back and watch those episodes purely stand by itself. Often no references made to previous episodes, or more frequently, often stepping on the toes of previous episodes.

But perhaps the random-ness instead deals with character use. Like how, in "Divide and Conquor" Megatron talks about how his Decepticons "outnumber" the Autobots...which is clearly false. Or how "Fire in the Sky" seems to indicate that the Transformers had earthen forms long before coming to Earth. Or when powers and roles were switched, etc.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Those are all stand alones. Just because a show reuses character doesn't make episodes not stand alones. "Days of the Future Past" isn't connected directly to "Enter...the Sentinels".

No there not!!!! Both exsamples have direct links in contunuity to the parent storys. COUNTDOWN TO EXTINCTION is a direct continuation to the Storys before it.It can not be considered a stand alone story no mater how far back you set the bar.And WAR OF THE DINOBOTS follows the events of SOS DINOBOTS so the way I see it it cant be considered stand alone because the 2nd makes no sence with out the first.....but I can see where some people might disagree with that one......But how can anyone say that COUNTDOWN TO EXTINCTION is a stand alone episode.Its still part of the same story.
Using a X-men exsample like you did ...its like saying that the Dark Phoenix Saga is not connected directly to the Phoenix Saga.
P.S. Speeking of your exsample ...I know or days of futures past but the other one is a bit lost to me....might be my age...I'm getting old!!!!

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

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[/YT]Here look at the opening to Countdown to Extinction and tell me how its 'stand alone" ?http://youtube.com/watch?v=KhuUPIGP_gU

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Here look at the opening to Countdown to Extinction and tell me how its 'stand alone" ?http://youtube.com/watch?v=KhuUPIGP_gU

"Kitty's Fairy Tale" begins with the X-Men rebuilding the X-Mansion after a long battle against invading aliens. It's still a stand alone issue.

Does "Countdown to Extinction" self-contain a beginning, middle and end, yes.

Could it be watched by a casual fan without causing confusion about events, absolutely.

Does it set it's premises within the 22 minute period and resolve them by the end. Yes.

Notice also how being set after Ultimate Doom adds nothing to the plot aside from setting a rudamentary time frame. Megatron returns within about 2 minutes of the episode starting and everything has returned to status quo by the time the whole "exponential generator" thing starts (which BTW had nothing to do with Ultimate Doom). Had the episode been about, say, some after effect of the planet's being close to each other and Starscream attempting to harness that power, you might have a point. But you could have premiered that episode with a different starting point and achieved the same end.

It's. A. Stand. Alone.

Period.

I've seen the episode dozens of times, and BTW the order it premiered on television was well after the conclusion of Ultimate Doom. In other words they shoehorned it into the season, it wasn't logically set after Ultimate Doom.

 

[CFlash]

Seldom would be 8 or 9 times out of let's say 80 or so appearances. Never is 2 or 3 times. Never is what I said not never ever.

Perfect example of why one should never say never. Never means 0. Nothing else. Stay in school.

 

[CFlash]

I never said that Soundwave enjoyed playing music or that he did it all the time.I was trying to explain why so many kids where I grew up liked Soundwave so much.
A] I did not get the alt mode wrong....I was saying that Soundwave looked like a boom box on the show.and he did on many episodes.And you were the one that clamed that he had no external speakers....but he did have stikers of external speakers look at the catolog photo I'm posting after this post.
B] I never stated anything about Soundwaves personality.Nowhere in my post do I even refer to how Soundwave liked or disliked music in any form....just that he in fact did play music on the show...and how it had an effect on kids growing up in the area in witch I grew up.

Maybe you should stop trying to figure out what a poster is saying in a post and really read it.Stoping putting words in my post that are not there.....or read it again.
You and Lars573 have both stated that he NEVER played music out loud on the show.....and I have proven that he DID.....2 times might not be much but it proves that he DID!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dude, give it up. I understand where you're coming from. But, there's a basic lack of reading comprehension here by certain folks. Everyone I knew also thought Soundwave looked MORE like a miniature boombox than a walkman... even though we knew exactly what he was (just a tape player- nothing more). Mainly because of the placement of the Play/FF/Rew/Stop buttons which most walkmans had on the spine on the device NOT on the front... because most were purely human-driven mechanical (thus the buttons HAD to be on the side). On the other hand pretty much all boomboxes looked like Soundwave. Besides, not all boomboxes back in the day where huge (what we called Ghetto Blasters). Some were small.

You've been correct the whole time... it's not your fault people can't read-- what do you expect when they don't even know the meaning of the word never.

 

[toddly6666]

NO, NO, NO, I'm sorry but you are all WRONG. Soundwave never played "disco" music - he only played Trance and Drum and Base music!!!


If Transformers are adapting human personalities, then why can't the SOUNDWAVE character be into vintage things? Thus he can be a tape player. Someone who still listens to records and eight-tracks are commited people, just like Soundwave whom is commited to Megatron no matter what.

And another thing that bugged me about Beast Wars is that they had characters with dude voices and Brooklyn accents. Didn't they land on earth during cave man times?

 

[lars573]

The Cybertronians had been in contact with earth and it's cultures for several thousand years (my preferance, the cannon is 300 or so) by the time the Axalon went back in time to prehistoric earth.

Perfect example of why one should never say never. Never means 0. Nothing else. Stay in school.

Not to me. Never means so infrequently as to be irrelavent. Like 2 times in 95 episodes. That's never.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

"Kitty's Fairy Tale" begins with the X-Men rebuilding the X-Mansion after a long battle against invading aliens. It's still a stand alone issue.

Does "Countdown to Extinction" self-contain a beginning, middle and end, yes.

Could it be watched by a casual fan without causing confusion about events, absolutely.

Does it set it's premises within the 22 minute period and resolve them by the end. Yes.

Notice also how being set after Ultimate Doom adds nothing to the plot aside from setting a rudamentary time frame. Megatron returns within about 2 minutes of the episode starting and everything has returned to status quo by the time the whole "exponential generator" thing starts (which BTW had nothing to do with Ultimate Doom). Had the episode been about, say, some after effect of the planet's being close to each other and Starscream attempting to harness that power, you might have a point. But you could have premiered that episode with a different starting point and achieved the same end.

It's. A. Stand. Alone.

Period.

I've seen the episode dozens of times, and BTW the order it premiered on television was well after the conclusion of Ultimate Doom. In other words they shoehorned it into the season, it wasn't logically set after Ultimate Doom.

Your right about them aring it out of order and they did take some time between the end of TOD and CTE but the only ared 1 new episode inbtween and the biging or CTE has a last time on the transformers type of opener so the way I see it its part of the hole story.But you did prove your point to me with SOS Dinobots and War of the Dinobots...they are stand alone storys.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Dude, give it up. I understand where you're coming from. But, there's a basic lack of reading comprehension here by certain folks. Everyone I knew also thought Soundwave looked MORE like a miniature boombox than a walkman... even though we knew exactly what he was (just a tape player- nothing more). Mainly because of the placement of the Play/FF/Rew/Stop buttons which most walkmans had on the spine on the device NOT on the front... because most were purely human-driven mechanical (thus the buttons HAD to be on the side). On the other hand pretty much all boomboxes looked like Soundwave. Besides, not all boomboxes back in the day where huge (what we called Ghetto Blasters). Some were small.

You've been correct the whole time... it's not your fault people can't read-- what do you expect when they don't even know the meaning of the word never.

I thank you very much.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Not to me. Never means so infrequently as to be irrelavent. Like 2 times in 95 episodes. That's never.

Let me ask you a question???? If right after you had sex for the 2nd time if your best friend asked you if you ever had sex would you have said never or would you have said I had it 2 times.Or if they asked you if you ever seen a shooting star ever in your life and the fact is that you've seen 2 would you have said never????

Oh and by the way here is the definition or the word never from websters online site.:

Main Entry: nev·er
Pronunciation: 'ne-v&r
Function: adverb
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English n[AE]fre, from ne not + [AE]fre ever -- more at [SIZE=-1]NO[/SIZE]
1 : not ever : at no time <I never met her>
2 : not in any degree : not under any condition <never the wiser for his experience>

And also from Cambridge's online site:

never Show phonetics
adverb
not at any time or not on any occasion:
We've never been to Australia.
I've never heard anything so ridiculous.
Let us never forget those who gave their lives for their country.
Wars never solve anything.
He threatened to shoot, but I never thought (= did not think) he would.
I never realised you knew my brother.
It's never too late to start eating a healthy diet.
UK INFORMAL "He's never 61! (= It's difficult to believe he's 61!) He looks so young."
UK NOT STANDARD "You stole my drink!" "No, I never (= I didn't)."

 

[CFlash]

Not to me. Never means so infrequently as to be irrelavent. Like 2 times in 95 episodes. That's never.

Not to belabor the point, but it's kinda hard to converse when you use meanings that only you understand. I respectfully suggest you pick up a dictionary.
Never
1. Not ever; on no occassion; at no time.
2. Not at all; in no way; absolutely not.
There are no other meanings... not colloquially and not in slang. No means No, my brother.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

And I just remembered a 3 rd time Soundwave used music in the show....season 3 and the number 1 worst episode of Transformers ever:::
Carnage in C minor. He plays the harmony of death in it.Even Blaster said that those people talked threw music. And here is websters definition or the word Harmony.


Main Entry: har·mo·ny
Pronunciation: 'här-m&-nE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -nies
Etymology: Middle English armony, from Anglo-French armonie, from Latin harmonia, from Greek, joint, harmony, from harmos joint -- more at [SIZE=-1]ARM[/SIZE]
1 archaic : tuneful sound : [SIZE=-1]MELODY[/SIZE]
2 a : the combination of simultaneous musical notes in a chord b : the structure of music with respect to the composition and progression of chords c : the science of the structure, relation, and progression of chords
3 a : pleasing or congruent arrangement of parts <a painting exhibiting harmony of color and line> b : [SIZE=-1]CORRESPONDENCE[/SIZE], [SIZE=-1]ACCORD[/SIZE] <lives in harmony with her neighbors> c : internal calm : [SIZE=-1]TRANQUILLITY[/SIZE]
4 a : an interweaving of different accounts into a single narrative b : a systematic arrangement of parallel literary passages (as of the Gospels) for the purpose of showing agreement or harmony

 

[ShadowBoxing]

And another thing that bugged me about Beast Wars is that they had characters with dude voices and Brooklyn accents. Didn't they land on earth during cave man times?

Rumble and Frenzy were sporting the Brooklyn accents long before the Autobots and Decepticons found themselves on Earth...moreover...the Transformers spoke english, apparently, on their home planet.

And Lars is correct, the Beast Wars crew had known of Earth culture, by that point, for over 3 centuries.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Funny thing is that we had 2 Decepticons speeking with Brooklyn accents....and their was a streat gang called the Decepticons in Brooklyn back in 1984.

 

[CFlash]

Funny thing is that we had 2 Decepticons speeking with Brooklyn accents....and their was a streat gang called the Decepticons in Brooklyn back in 1984.

The Decepticons originated at Brooklyn Tech HS.... but they very quickly spread out across the borroughs... particularly in midtown Manhattan. They were ethnically and neighborhood diverse (something that never happens). They- to this day- are probably the largest "cross-borrough" street gang ever in New York-- and one of the most notorious. They ruled from about 86 to 93.

What made them interesting is that they often went to school in neighborhoods where they did not live (vocational high schools, specialized and magnet schools, etc)... allowing them to terrorize the neighborhood (and their subway ride) bystanders during the *DAY* without worrying about the local neighborhood gangs (like the Westies in Midtown Manhattan) at night. In essense, they were nomads.

Although some of their members were known for roving violent muggings in the subways, a lot of their members, though criminally minded, were pretty intelligent and went to prestigious high schools (like Brooklyn Tech). For instance, John Lee, a famous hacker who went to jail (and whose hacker crew, MOD, was the inspiration for the movie Hackers), was suppossedly a Decep.

Although more of a loose organization of young thugs than a "real" gang (Bloods, etc), the Deceps are kinda legendary in New York.

 

[lars573]

Not to belabor the point, but it's kinda hard to converse when you use meanings that only you understand. I respectfully suggest you pick up a dictionary.
Never
1. Not ever; on no occassion; at no time.
2. Not at all; in no way; absolutely not.
There are no other meanings... not colloquially and not in slang. No means No, my brother.

How about no. I do things, like define words, my way.

 

[Hotwire]

Lars, with your logic, it would be fair to say your mother and father never had any children. Not even you. Expecialy if you are an only child, because in your world, only giving birth once, means you've never given birth. So, lars doesn't actually exist. You were only born once, so you were never born. Right???

 

[CFlash]

Lars, with your logic, it would be fair to say your mother and father never had any children. Not even you. Expecialy if you are an only child, because in your world, only giving birth once, means you've never given birth. So, lars doesn't actually exist. You were only born once, so you were never born. Right???

LOL. Well said. Especially considering she went thousands of days without giving birth,... the 1 day (1/1000's) that she did should qualify as "never."