Has Noah's Ark Been Found?

[Wilhelm-Scream]

In fact it would be evil commited by God- by forcing us to do good.

So, when he condoned/encouraged slavery, murder and the brutal mistreatment of women, and let Satan kill all of Job's children just to win a bet, that was all the pinnacle of justice and right in action, but forgiving Adam+Eve for making the mistake he already knew they'd make and letting us live in a paradise (Which he's supposedly going to do later anyway) would be "evil".

LMAO, riiiiiiiiight.

 

[Truthteller]

And even if they found a huge boat, it wouldn't prove the veracity of every claim made in the Bible. That's the part of the story that offends my brain.

Precisely. The article was full of that type of irrational statements though. If it weren't so sad it would be even more funny than it already is!

Has Noah's Ark Been Found?...
"I can't imagine what it could be if it is not the Ark," said Arch Bonnema...

... It looked similar to wood."

..."There's this idea, if we can prove that the Ark existed then we can prove that the story existed, and more importantly, we can prove that God existed," said Bruce Feiler...

 

[TheSumOfGod]

Hey! I found something that looks like a green crystal! This proves once and for all that SUPERMAN TRULY EXISTS!

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Hey! I found something that looks like a green crystal! This proves once and for all that SUPERMAN TRULY EXISTS!

I can't imagine anything else a green crystal could be except Kryptonite!

 

[Ox Elf]

So, when he condoned/encouraged slavery, murder and the brutal mistreatment of women, and let Satan kill all of Job's children just to win a bet, that was all the pinnacle of justice and right in action, but forgiving Adam+Eve for making the mistake he already knew they'd make and letting us live in a paradise (Which he's supposedly going to do later anyway) would be "evil".

LMAO, riiiiiiiiight.

There's an obvious answer you're not seeing.

The great war between satan's minions and the angels of the lord took place unrecorded. Satan won. Having won, lucifer did what any winner would have done, he enjoyed the spoils. Moved into heaven, the best peice of real estate in the trans-dimensional universe. God, defeated, claimed the now vacant hell, and set out to do as much good as he could in the face of this terrible setback. Even now as we speak, the silent war is carried out in secret, here on earth among us....

 

[TheSumOfGod]

There's an obvious answer you're not seeing.

The great war between satan's minions and the angels of the lord took place unrecorded. Satan won. Having won, lucifer did what any winner would have done, he enjoyed the spoils. Moved into heaven, the best peice of real estate in the trans-dimensional universe. God, defeated, claimed the now vacant hell, and set out to do as much good as he could in the face of this terrible setback. Even now as we speak, the silent war is carried out in secret, here on earth among us....

You've read too many Darren Shan novels...

 

[Darthphere]

This thread went to hell faster than you can say Bobs your uncle.

 

[Ox Elf]

You've read too many Darren Shan novels...

who's Darren Shan?

 

[TheSumOfGod]

who's Darren Shan?

He's the untalented hack who writes all those vampire and demon novels you keep reading...

 

[kane9321]

This thread went to hell faster than you can say Bobs your uncle.

how's the popcorn..may i have some

 

[Darthphere]

how's the popcorn..may i have some

Sure

 

[Man-Thing]

So, when he condoned/encouraged slavery, murder and the brutal mistreatment of women, and let Satan kill all of Job's children just to win a bet, that was all the pinnacle of justice and right in action, but forgiving Adam+Eve for making the mistake he already knew they'd make and letting us live in a paradise (Which he's supposedly going to do later anyway) would be "evil".

LMAO, riiiiiiiiight.

So you think God should do something that goes against his nature? That wouldn't be very omnipotnet would it? Do you think God should have just changed his mind after the fall of Adam and Eve? Wouldn't that be lying? Isn't it impossible for a lying God not to be the greatest example of love?

They had Paradise, and they lost it. It was their decision, was it not? Isn't it clear that God said "Don't eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil"? Of course it is, but yet you demand that God should have given up his omnipotence or love to remedy the situation instantly through Adam and Eve. The problem is they were already tainted with sin, and sin seperates man and God. God did remedy the situation, when the Son became flesh and paid the penalty for sin on the Cross. Every accusation you have against God is nullified at Golgotha- so I don't see the problem of the paradox between a benevolent and omnipotent God giving up either of the two characteristics of his nature to remedy human arguements against either of the two.

 

[TheSumOfGod]

People who believe whatever is written in the Bible without question just because "the Bible says so" are a neverending source of amusement to me, really.

 

[Ox Elf]

He's the untalented hack who writes all those vampire and demon novels you keep reading...

never read one, I swear.


That is, however, the outline for the background of a movie I'm writing.

I guess that makes me an untalented hack

 

[Man-Thing]

People who believe whatever is written in the Bible without question just because "the Bible says so" are a neverending source of amusement to me, really.

This coming from someone who believes in lizard people.

 

[Ox Elf]

he doesn't believe in them "because the bible says so"

 

[Darthphere]

People who believe whatever is written in the Bible without question just because "the Bible says so" are a neverending source of amusement to me, really.

Im a christian and I cant and will never say I truly believe eevry single word of the bible. I realize it was written by man so its not going to be perfect especially considering all the books of the bible the chruch deicdes to omit and its many different versions. But I believe in God, so sue me.

 

[Man-Thing]

he doesn't believe in them "because the bible says so"

and I don't believe the Bible simply because it "says to".

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Isn't it clear that God said "Don't eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil"? Of course it is, but yet you demand that God should have given up his omnipotence or love to remedy the situation instantly through Adam and Eve.

No, what I say is that, since he's omniscient, he already knew that Adam+Eve would rebel and eat from the tree if given the opportunity, so he shouldn't've left it there where they had access to it.
Humans are not as wise as God and had no idea that their mistake would mean the unimaginable suffering of BILLIONS of innocent people, who were never given the choice. In fact, that's 'cause God didn't warn them. He said THEY would die if they ate, not countless BILLIONS of people who would come after.
It's just like a Mom plugging in a radio and setting it on the side of a full bathtub, putting her 3 year old in the tub, and then saying "Now don't touch the radio or it'll electrocute you!" and then walking away.

I'm sorry, but if a mother did that, the fact that she did say "Don't touch the radio." to the stupid, ignorant 3 year old, would NOT qualify her as a "Loving, perfect" Mother in the eyes of anyone sane.

 

[Man-Thing]

No, what I say is that, since he's omniscient, he already knew that Adam+Eve would rebel and eat from the tree if given the opportunity, so he shouldn't've left it there where they had access to it.
Humans are not as wise as God and had no idea that their mistake would mean the unimaginable suffering of BILLIONS of innocent people, who were never given the choice. In fact, that's 'cause God didn't warn them. He said THEY would die if they ate, not countless BILLIONS of people who would come after.
It's just like a Mom plugging in a radio and setting it on the side of a full bathtub, putting her 3 year old in the tub, and then saying "Now don't touch the radio or it'll electrocute you!" and then walking away.

I'm sorry, but if a mother did that, the fact that she did say "Don't touch the radio." to the stupid, ignorant 3 year old, would NOT qualify her as a "Loving, perfect" Mother in the eyes of anyone sane.

your argument is based upon a child who has to exist after the fall. It isn't relavtive to the situation of Adam and Eve.

The bottom line is if God is benevolent, and Omnipotent then by his nature he has to be for all eternity- if he weren't he wouldn't be God. To remedy the situation of the fall without him taking on human flesh would mean that either one or the other of these two characters of his nature would become nullified.

And being as honest as I can be, there are many things in the Bible that I have trouble with even some of those that you mentioned, but of those instances I accept them by faith. I don't have an argument for every theodicy there is, but I'm confident as a man can be to the limitations of my mind that it is true.

The Bible says that with God all things are possible, but that doesn't mean that the normally impossible things are going to become reality. God, being the Creator, and soverign, is bound to his unchanging nature which is all powerful and all loving, but sometimes when it's necessary he must administer justice.

edit* (I failed to see your argument for omniscence)

Anyway, that is a hard argument to articulate. God did know man would fall, but he also knew he would take on human nature and remedy it at the cross, thus showing the greatest love ever known.

I have to go now, I'll try and get back on around 9:00 P.M. EST, so we can continue.

 

[Ox Elf]

I have to go now, I'll try and get back on around 9:00 P.M. EST, so we can continue.

We will all have long forgotten this by then, methinks

 

[ico]

The great war between satan's minions and the angels of the lord took place unrecorded. Satan won. Having won, lucifer did what any winner would have done, he enjoyed the spoils. Moved into heaven, the best peice of real estate in the trans-dimensional universe. God, defeated, claimed the now vacant hell, and set out to do as much good as he could in the face of this terrible setback. Even now as we speak, the silent war is carried out in secret, here on earth among us....

If it took place unrecorded, then how the hell would we know about it?

 

[TheSumOfGod]

This coming from someone who believes in lizard people.

A) As I have stated more times than I care to remember, I DO NOT BELIEVE IN "LIZARD PEOPLE", an OBJECTIVE person cannot allow himself to "believe" in ANYTHING, for belief is the enemy of reason, which is the main reason why I am philosophically opposed to religious blind faith of any kind, and B) I simply consider the existence of extraterrestrial (or perhaps ultradimensional) reptilian shapeshifters known as the "Anunnaki" to be highly probable, after over ten years of intensive research and on-the-field experience as a paranormal investigator and conspiracy theorist, and I am willing to admit that I might be wrong. But even if I'm somehow completely wrong about the existence of the reptilian Anunnaki, it seems apparent to me that there is definitely something very sinister going on in this world, controlling the fate of the human race, and that religion is a very important part of it.

 

[TheSumOfGod]

This thread deserves a BUMP.

 

[bored]

your argument is based upon a child who has to exist after the fall. It isn't relavtive to the situation of Adam and Eve.

The bottom line is if God is benevolent, and Omnipotent then by his nature he has to be for all eternity- if he weren't he wouldn't be God. To remedy the situation of the fall without him taking on human flesh would mean that either one or the other of these two characters of his nature would become nullified.

And being as honest as I can be, there are many things in the Bible that I have trouble with even some of those that you mentioned, but of those instances I accept them by faith. I don't have an argument for every theodicy there is, but I'm confident as a man can be to the limitations of my mind that it is true.

The Bible says that with God all things are possible, but that doesn't mean that the normally impossible things are going to become reality. God, being the Creator, and soverign, is bound to his unchanging nature which is all powerful and all loving, but sometimes when it's necessary he must administer justice.

edit* (I failed to see your argument for omniscence)

Anyway, that is a hard argument to articulate. God did know man would fall, but he also knew he would take on human nature and remedy it at the cross, thus showing the greatest love ever known.

I have to go now, I'll try and get back on around 9:00 P.M. EST, so we can continue.

So if he could just remedy it like that, why then? Why at such a random point in human history? Was the decision arbitrary?