HBO's Game of Thrones - - - - Part 13

[Sawyer]

 

[Kane52630]

Reek is the Michael Jordan of being a son of a bi***.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Rowling by far has had a bigger impact. She sparked the genre, made it relevant again. Sprawled more copycats then you can count. She got a whole generation of kids reading. She has sold countless more books. Her books were turned into a mult-billion dollar film franchise. The final film is the 4th highest grossing film of all time.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

That is cute, but you are the one that said impact. How is it even a question at this point? Her characters are pop culture icons, and her series set a new template.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Who said I was questioning you?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Matthew did. Are you calling Matthew a liar?

 

[Roose Bolton]

Matthew's mainlining the secret truth of the universe.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Thus revealing the truth of your intentions.

 

[Roose Bolton]

And here I was trying to acknowledge your comment like Matthew acknowledged Carcosa.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Ok, you brought flowers. I forgive you.

 

[Ramsay Snow]

Calm down, everyone. Peace and love.

 

[Lord]

No matter the preferences, Harry Potter had the biggest impact.

But i'm quite sure that the tv show will be remembered as one of the various shows that influenced tv.

 

[Drz]

I do hope we can see HBO making some Westeros movies, i mean, even the Sex and the City movies did cost production value, surely Dance of the Dragons would make a box office hit, and i'd love to see Dunk & Egg prequel adventures.

I didn't like Martin's argument regarding Spartacus prequel season, because the prequel season had a lot to do with the main star dying of cancer.

 

[Naked Shia]

Harry Potter has more impact because it's a more important story. I'm sorry but that's the truth. It's about how one can use what he is deep inside to become a better person, and as such it's a real life lesson.

On the other hand, what does GoT, regardless of how entertaining it is, has to teach, apart from how to cut a hand or play violins to announce one's death? Nothing.

 

[Ezio Auditore]

On the other hand, what does GoT, regardless of how entertaining it is, has to teach, apart from how to cut a hand or play violins to announce one's death? Nothing.

"My brother has his sword, King Robert has his warhammer and I have my mind...and a mind needs books as a sword needs a whetstone if it is to keep its edge. That's why I read so much."

"Would you rather be called the Imp? Let them see that their words can cut you and you’ll never be free of the mockery. If they want to give you a name take it make it your own. Then they can’t hurt you with it anymore.”

“Once you’ve accepted your flaws, no one can use them against you."

"Let me give you some advice bastard. Never forget what you are. The rest of the world will not. Wear it like armor, and it can never be used to hurt you"

 

[Infinity9999x]

Harry Potter has more impact because it's a more important story. I'm sorry but that's the truth. It's about how one can use what he is deep inside to become a better person, and as such it's a real life lesson.

On the other hand, what does GoT, regardless of how entertaining it is, has to teach, apart from how to cut a hand or play violins to announce one's death? Nothing.

HP without question has had the bigger cultural impact. It was the closest thing our generation had to a Star Wars, when you take into account the hype each book and film had.

GOT however, has had a huge impact on TV and how to tell stories on television. First off, it's shown you can do a high budget fantasy series that will sell. Secondly, it's shown that you can have a show that routinely kills off popular main characters, and people will not only keep watching, but eat it up. It's also shown that we don't always have to do the "idealized" version of fantasy. GRRM is writing a fantasy story, yes, but he set it in a much more "realistic" (I hate using that word because of how much it's been thrown around since TDK came out) world. It's much more like the way an actual Medieval society would have been. It's not the first book to have done that, but it's the first one to gain popularity and expose that idea to the general public.

In terms of the story, HP's story wasn't "important." It wasn't anything new. It was another variation on the heroes journey tale. It was very well done, but it was a story we've seen time and time again. It was just very well written and the characters were developed and interesting. And the biggest factor was that Rowling really knew how to write kids, in a way that kids could relate to. I know, because I grew up almost exactly on pace with Harry. She was spot on.

But was the story more "important?" Heck no. It wasn't groundbreaking or revolutionary in the way that say, LOTR was (those books single-handedly changed the way people told fantasy stories). It was just a very well written story that blew up because Rowling understood how to write for children/young adults better than most writers ever have.

That doesn't take anything away from Harry Potter. I love the books, they're my favorite book series bar none, I've read each novel 10 times or more. But trying to say the story was more "important" is just silly. Neither GOT or HP have more "important" stories than the other.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I think whenever your audience can include children and their parents...the impact is probably going to be larger just by how many people can be included. It's a very inclusive thing that does matter when you're talking about 'impact'.

Having graphic sex scenes alone winds up limiting your audience, thereby your impact. There's a give and take on telling the kind of story you want to say the way you want to tell it.

 

[Victarion]

Yeah, I wouldn't be a big reader if I hadn't read Potter when I was a kid. Rowling didn't write down to me, which is what I loved about it.

GOT taught me everything I need to know about succeeding in grad school.










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[Lord]

Harry Potter has more impact because it's a more important story. I'm sorry but that's the truth. It's about how one can use what he is deep inside to become a better person, and as such it's a real life lesson.

On the other hand, what does GoT, regardless of how entertaining it is, has to teach, apart from how to cut a hand or play violins to announce one's death? Nothing.

Damn, you just had to go on and tease Harry potter vs Game of Thrones even more. Both are different stories, both are good enough, they aimd towards different things, enough.

Harry Potter was without a doubt this generation's Star Wars, even if the "inteligentia" who grew up with SW try to argue that it was Halo or The Matrix. Meanwhile, A Game of Thrones is setting the standart for fantasy on TV.

You can either prefer one or the other, if you miss a dark lord like there was in lord of the rings you have Harry Potter, if you want to read a global story in a different world then read Game of Thrones.

Now, to shift to LotR vs Ice and Fire, i think that Tolkien's worldbuilding was vastly superior, he made his world very alive, creating all these languages and races, in Ice and Fire i sometimes feel like something is missing, the continents are enormous, yet, with medieval transportation they reach certain places surprisingly fast, someone like Mance Raider travels very far and masks as a bard way too easily, and all that. Either way it's more of a nitpick, and shows how much thought Tolkien put into middle-earth

 

[Roose Bolton]

In terms of worldbuilding Tolkien can tell you what Frodo's great-great-great-great-aunt had for breakfast ten thousand years ago and why exactly that particular bowl of porridge was chosen, and that's great with the level of detail it has and how it makes the world feel realistic.

ASOIAF tells you what you need to know about the world pertaining to the events that currently happen. I don't know who Tyrion's distant ancestors were but I know who his grandfather was and how that affected his father who in turn made Tyrion what he is. With GRRMs writing it all serves his characters in the present, and to be honest I think most of his characters are more interesting than the vast majority of Tolkien's.

 

[Lord]

Well, they were written in different times, and it's not as if Tolkien's characters were all one dimensional, he just wanted to tell a different tale, THe Hobbit for example is a completelly different type of story, many LotR now complain about it, but the truth is that it's supposed to be told as a kind of fable.

LotR also deals with the battlefield and pawns of war, while GoT is more about the politics behind it.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I've never read any of the Harry Potter books or seen any of the films. Same of anything Lord of the Rings, too.

Really, I never considered myself a fan of the fantasy genre until I started watching Game of Thrones and reading The Witcher novels and playing The Witcher 2: Assassins of Kings. And now I've started reading A Clash of Kings, am considering buying the first book in the Night Angel, and I can't wait for the next Witcher book to finally get the english translation released.

I think I might just be a hard fantasy genre fan, really. It works for me when there's politics, cursing, nudity, sex scenes, and just tragically horrible deaths with a fantasy story.

 

[Lord]

You should one day start reading a manga called Berserk then.

 

[Victarion]

Malazan. You want Malazan, Chris. It's sort of the Witcher meets ASOIAF.

LOTR was written so that Tolkien could have a world for his made up languages. George wanted to write the biggest fantasy epic he could (without the constraints of writing for TV). He does defer to Tolkien. I don't think he likes Rowling much.

 

[Ramsay Snow]

Behind the Scenes in Belfast

Includes a shot of myself and Roose walking together, after the 2-minute mark.

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