HBO's Game of Thrones - Part 15

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[StrainedEyes]

Because it was a rape scene that was uncomfortable to watch.

If you make a rape scene that is comfortable to watch... you did it wrong.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

If you make a rape scene that is comfortable to watch... you did it wrong.

This is the basics of fandom at work. I still remember when Spike tried to rape Buffy. It was as if people forgot who Spike was. His limits as a being.

People have built Jaime up into something he isn't and are now mad that he isn't that. They wanted to like the witty handsome bad boy, the only one nice to Tyrion who saved the "ugly" giant woman. They wanted to ignore that he is murdering guy who is controlled by his sister who he has sex with. Who he pushed a little boy out the window for.

 

[Ajendo]

Right, so, some people think rape is worse than cold blooded murder.

Some people believe that there was no rape that took place; some believe otherwise.

With all the crap that goes on in the show, this incident has proven to be the most controversial?

....interesting.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I would think Jaime has a large female fanbase. That might have a little something to do with it.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

If you make a rape scene that is comfortable to watch... you did it wrong.

Ok, then pick one:

A) It was an unnecessary sex scene that was uncomfortable to watch.

B) It was an unnecessary rape scene and was uncomfortable to watch.

Right, so, some people think rape is worse than cold blooded murder.

Some people believe that there was no rape that took place; some believe otherwise.

With all the crap that goes on in the show, this incident has proven to be the most controversial?

....interesting.

I'm so tired of this argument. The violence, for the most part, serves a purpose to the story. Bran being thrown from a window is cruel, but Jaime does it to protect himself, Cersei, and their children (and by extension all Lannisters since Robert would want them all Lannisters dead if he learned the truth). It also ends up having a positive effect on on Bran since his coma awakens his supernatural powers and leads him to his destiny. A pregnant Talisa getting stabbed repeatedly is graphic but it serves a point which is the portrayal of the complete destruction of House Stark and crippling of its allies.

The way the scene was filmed was ambiguous at best but suggests that it was rape and not consensual. Fans of the books know how it was portrayed, which includes Cersei giving physical and verbal consent to Jaime. The director and D&D giving conflicting answers makes it seem like they didn't know what they were doing and inevitably opens up a can of worms with defending rape by saying it "becomes consensual."

 

[StrainedEyes]

Ok, then pick one:

A) It was an unnecessary sex scene that was uncomfortable to watch.

B) It was an unnecessary rape scene and was uncomfortable to watch.

C) It was a mostly concrete rape scene between two insane people that they creators of the show felt was the best direction to go, and it was appropriately uncomfortable to watch.

It's also a scene that will probably get mentioned during the next episode and then never be brought up again.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

No, it was rape.

 

[StrainedEyes]

No, it was rape.

Yes it was, Jaime raped Cersie. I don't even know what you're arguing anymore.

 

[Victarion]

There's a scene between Cersei and Tywin from the trailers about burning their House to the ground. This event will likely be fuel for that fire. I know it is in reference to AFFC.

 

[Kaleb]

 

[Marvolo]

This is the basics of fandom at work. I still remember when Spike tried to rape Buffy. It was as if people forgot who Spike was. His limits as a being.

People have built Jaime up into something he isn't and are now mad that he isn't that. They wanted to like the witty handsome bad boy, the only one nice to Tyrion who saved the "ugly" giant woman. They wanted to ignore that he is murdering guy who is controlled by his sister who he has sex with. Who he pushed a little boy out the window for.

Ya know, I kind fo wonder if the writers did this as some sort of karma to punish Cersei cause she is such a *****. Shes manipulated and owned Jaime for so long and now she doesnt want him but she cant stop him so in yhat scene she's essentially dealing with a monster she created. Its still an awful idea, but aim just spitballing to understand this crap.

And its not about ignoring who Jaime was. We know who he was, and Im stressing was. I just refuse to believe that after almost a year in captivity and all the **** he has been through that he is the same person that he was in season one. Season one Jaime would rape Cersei and do what he did in this last episode. We arent dealing with season one Jaime. Hes been away from Cersei and his family's influence long enough and been through enough to have had some introspection of his life and choices.

Im not buying what D&D tried to sell in this scene. They might as well get over it. Audience members arent going to take whatever edgy and dark crap they try to throw at us and swallow it up all the time every time. Yes, this world is dark and full of terrors but it has to make some logical sense. What Jaime did didnt make sense given were he is at psychologically. They've presented one Jaime for 12 episodes and put him on a journey of change and then decided to revert to Jaime of season one and two and it just doesnt work.

 

[Sawyer]

I like this one...

 

[Spidey-Bat]

Yes it was, Jaime raped Cersie. I don't even know what you're arguing anymore.

My comment was before you edited your post.

 

[Iceman]

The sum effect of this inefficient delivery (if you need to show rape at least make it a little more obvious to all that it's definitely happening, and if it's not happening make it a bit clearer to all that it's not happening) is that one scene is focused on and debated to death ahead of all the others, many of which are better. Even people who want to defend the scene don't seem to be claiming that it's particularly good. I don't care if they want to depict an event like that and it helps some aspect of the show, as long as they don't do it just to be controversial and as long as they do it more effectively.

 

[Victarion]

Yeah, it wasn't close to the best scene. I liked Tywin's dialogue with Tommen, the wildling attack and the situation at the Wall. Slynt didn't look too eager to be fighting wildlings. Oh, Daario's takedown of Meereen's champion was great, too.

 

[Sawyer]

It wasn't the best scene. I don't think I've even seen anyone claim that. I just wish people weren't acting like it was the ONLY scene worth talking about.

Dat Tywin/Tommen.

 

[Iceman]

That's what you (always) get from unnecessary controversy in smaller scenes. It's justified for a massive event like the Red Wedding where you want everyone to be talking about it and debating it. I think even if the scene as filmed was fine, the effect of it has not been what was intended and I bet the creators would at least make some small amendment to it if they could go back to more clearly get what they wanted to convey across and allow for a more constructive aftermath.

I went through the list of scenes for this episode earlier and I loved most of them. The Sam Gilly stuff was a bit slow even if cute, the rest was awesome. Who's going to [blackout]counsel future Kings as well as this if Tywin's not around?[/blackout]

 

[Reek]

it was rape... cersei might not of liked it...but we alllllll know Lena loved it.

 

[Victarion]

it was rape... cersei might not of liked it...but we alllllll know Lena loved it.

I dare you to drop that little number on tumblr.

@Iceman: Davos, of course.

 

[Reek]

what do you mean?

 

[Victarion]

I'm bored. Kick the hornet's nest. As to my second, I'm just reminding everyone of the one true king.

 

[Reek]

Dark Sentinel?

 

[Victarion]

Sure, you can kick him too.