HBO's Game of Thrones - - - - Part 13

[Solidus]

Quotes directly from ADWD

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Drogon roared full in her face his breath hot enough to blister skin.

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The fire burned away my hair, but elsewhere it did not touch me. It had been the same in Daznak's Pit.

I think that seems pretty clear.

EDIT: To add more:

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From page 1022

Dany's hair was growing out again, but slowly.

 

[Roose Bolton]

"Her skin was pink and tender, and a pale milky fluid was leaking from her cracked palms, but her burns were healing."

First page of Daenerys last ADWD chapter.

 

[Solidus]

"Her skin was pink and tender, and a pale milky fluid was leaking from her cracked palms, but her burns were healing."

But

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Look at page 1022 she wishes she had a hat because of the sun
Dany's hair was growing out again, but slowly. Her head being bald....would have nothing to do with her hands. She was facing Drogon's fire breathing mouth head on enough to blister everyones skin, but not hers. Her hands were because of the length of time I took it that she was riding him.

 

[Marvolo]

Being fire resistant isn't exactly the same as fire proof. She may be able to withstand the fire better than other normal folk, but with enough time and exposure even she could be burned.

That would explain her hands. They were exposed to his body for a longer period and blistered. A normal human would prolly not even be able to touch a dragon. She prolly heals from burns faster than normal people too.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Yeah, hence she was scolded by touching his hot skin. It's like how in the show they have her holding onto a scolding rock and not being burnt. Obviously that's not the case in the books.

 

[Solidus]

Ah I see. Well did look at that again.

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She must have some fire resistant to her though. Staring right into fire would kill or burn everyone else with insufferable damage. She survived looking into his mouth. She may not be as much so, but there seems to be some kind of resistance to fire if something big enough to burn her hair off just like before did not pretty much kill her or leave her so damaged she could do nothing.

 

[Solidus]

Yeah, hence she was scolded by touching his hot skin. It's like how in the show they have her holding onto a scolding rock and not being burnt. Obviously that's not the case in the books.

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Hmm ya the show must be changing that. However she got into the hot tub in TGOT and it did not hurt her. I think regardless she has resistance to fire. Because again facing Drogon head on while being burned would give everyone third degree burns, it never said they were massive devastating burns that they were for good old Q. Martell.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Ah I see. Well did look at that again.

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She must have some fire resistant to her though. Staring right into fire would kill or burn everyone else with insufferable damage. She survived looking into his mouth. She may not be as much so, but there seems to be some kind of resistance to fire if something big enough to burn her hair off just like before did not pretty much kill her or leave her so damaged she could do nothing.

It is because dragon fire is different from regular fire. It is magic, like the magical flames that brought the dragons into the world. Just like the Others. Just like the resurrection of Beric.

 

[Solidus]

It is because dragon fire is different from regular fire. It is magic, like the magical flames that brought the dragons into the world. Just like the Others.

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So she's resistant to dragon fire but not regular fire? Hmm, so if true that means that Jon still could be resistant to it.

 

[Solidus]

Yeah, hence she was scolded by touching his hot skin. It's like how in the show they have her holding onto a scolding rock and not being burnt. Obviously that's not the case in the books.

However that was a Dragon Egg/Stone wasn't it? So maybe it all goes in line with the "magic" fire her being resistant to.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

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So she's resistant to dragon fire but not regular fire? Hmm, so if true that means that Jon still could be resistant to it.

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As you pointed out, the Dragons are magic. So normal rules do not a apply. That they are her dragons through blood magic, makes it more likely she is simply resistant to her own magic if you will.

 

[Solidus]

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As you pointed out, the Dragons are magic. So normal rules do not a apply. That they are her dragons through blood magic, makes it more likely she is simply resistant to her own magic if you will.

I see. That makes sense.

 

[Roose Bolton]

However that was a Dragon Egg/Stone wasn't it? So maybe it all goes in line with the "magic" fire her being resistant to.

Possible yeah.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

This is a books and shows where dragons were awaken from stone. Where a random drunk can suddenly raise a man from the dead, repeatedly. There are probably no hard and fast rules to how magic works. Maybe GRRM changed his mind about the whole thing.

 

[Victarion]

What about the Drowned God's priests and their drowning ritual: death or CPR? Damphair's words

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also hold true for the wights.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I am wondering, for those that think they will adapt AFFC and ADWD over two seasons, how do you think they will spread out the material, when they are already doing AFFC and ADWD material this season? Especially when you consider most of the length comes from new characters. Do we really think they can stretch the material of characters like Jon, Dany, Bran, Arya, etc. for so long? Especially when a lot of AFFC and ADWD material will be used in season 4.

I really believe they are going to condense the two books it into one season. There is just enough material to put together a very strong season, but not much else imo. ASOS got two season because it is so big, and so good, with so many moments they didn't want to miss.

 

[Roose Bolton]

I think it'll be a season and half, with the later half of season 6 utilizing the Battle of Meereen and the Battle in the Ice. GRRM wanted them in ADWD anyways. Seems like it'd be a solid conclusion to finish it up with.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I think it'll be a season and half, with the later half of season 6 utilizing the Battle of Meereen and the Battle in the Ice. GRRM wanted them in ADWD anyways. Seems like it'd be a solid conclusion to finish it up with.

I don't see it. Season 5 will end with [BLACKOUT]Jon being attacked and Dany escaping[/BLACKOUT].

Otherwise, you will have a lot of stalling in the story of all the characters.

 

[Roose Bolton]

I don't see it. Season 5 will end with [BLACKOUT]Jon being attacked and Dany escaping[/BLACKOUT].

Otherwise, you will have a lot of stalling in the story of all the characters.

Well look at it this way, Dany had 6 chapters across ASOS, and they used what? 4 of them? and we know season 4 utilizes the last 2, some new material and the first couple of Dance chapters. Dany has I think 10 chapters in ADWD, so we're looking at like 8 chapters worth of material to use in season 5. I think they'll use like 5 or 6 of those, have the rest for the start of season 6 and then the rest of season 6 be WoW material.

With Jon its an interesting situation because they've kind of lagged a bit of his storyline to make the Battle as the climax of season 4, so that doesn't give them a lot of time to utilize Jon and Sam's final combined 3-4 chapters within season 4 Ep 10. So i think it's possible that some of that material will be used in the opening of Season 5. Though I could be wrong and they could just condense it a **** load. And then Jon has 13 chapters in ADWD to utilize, which is quite a bit. So I think they'll work some of those chapters into the first half of the following season, followed by what I guess will be Ghost material lol


Tyrion will pretty much end on course with his book storyline this season, and then he's got 12 ADWD chapters to adapt in Season 5. Which can be condensed but will still be pretty hefty.

Theon's story will probably be done in season 5. Davos, likewise will be in WoW material by Season 6.

A lot of it can be condensed, mostly the AFFC stuff, but there's some stuff with Griff and the Greyjoy brothers that they'll need to introduce, and at least pay lip service to the Martell storyline. That'll take up some time, so the way I see it, season 6 is gonna be 40% ADWD and 60% WoW.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

First, [BLACKOUT]Jon will be LC before the 4th season is over[/BLACKOUT].

Chapter count is meaningless I think. Each season needs to build to something, and the problem is not a lot happens in AFFC and ADWD. All the finales are at the end of ADWD. That is why some see them as disappointing. It is a lot of set up and bridging. They are so different from the first three books in that regard, it is kind of stunning.

What will happen next season is will we get a lot of Jon, a lot of Dany, and we will see a lot condensing like the second episode of the first season or Arya's story in general. Otherwise season 5 is going to be a huge come down, where characters go missing for long periods of time and not much happens.

 

[Marvolo]

First, [BLACKOUT]Jon will be LC before the 4th season is over[/BLACKOUT].

Chapter count is meaningless I think. Each season needs to build to something, and the problem is not a lot happens in AFFC and ADWD. All the finales are at the end of ADWD. That is why some see them as disappointing. It is a lot of set up and bridging. They are so different from the first three books in that regard, it is kind of stunning.

What will happen next season is will we get a lot of Jon, a lot of Dany, and we will see a lot condensing like the second episode of the first season or Arya's story in general. Otherwise season 5 is going to be a huge come down, where characters go missing for long periods of time and not much happens.

I wonder if

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Victarion will get to Mereen in season 5 or 6? That siege was supposed to happen in ADWD, but GRRM bumped it to WOW.

 

[Roose Bolton]

First, [BLACKOUT]Jon will be LC before the 4th season is over[/BLACKOUT].

Chapter count is meaningless I think. Each season needs to build to something, and the problem is not a lot happens in AFFC and ADWD. All the finales are at the end of ADWD. That is why some see them as disappointing. It is a lot of set up and bridging. They are so different from the first three books in that regard, it is kind of stunning.

What will happen next season is will we get a lot of Jon, a lot of Dany, and we will see a lot condensing like the second episode of the first season or Arya's story in general. Otherwise season 5 is going to be a huge come down, where characters go missing for long periods of time and not much happens.

I could definitely see them doing all of Jon's story in season 4, but it'll likely be condensed as all hell, considering that it needs to happen in Ep 10, along with Tyrion's big moment, "Only Cat", Stoneheart, Bran meeting 3EC...that's a tight squeeze.

With season 5, the biggest challenge is that they've got to introduce like 2 or 3 big elements and factions into the story..and you're right, chapter count might not mean much, but they also have an obligation to introduce with proper substance. Like they couldn't just wave their hand and be like "yep thats Euron, moving on" it can't be a cliff notes version of the books acted out in live action, they need to make certain things cinematic for the tv medium. In that sense it's time consuming.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I wonder if

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Victarion will siege Mereen in season 5 or 6? That siege was supposed to happen in ADWD, but GRRM bumped it to WOW.

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I think it depends on if his horn can do what they say it can.

If it can control the dragons, I think they will have that big splash in first few episodes. If not, I can see season 6 starting with his attack already on the way.

I could definitely see them doing all of Jon's story in season 4, but it'll likely be condensed as all hell, considering that it needs to happen in Ep 10, along with Tyrion's big moment, "Only Cat", Stoneheart, Bran meeting 3EC...that's a tight squeeze.

With season 5, the biggest challenge is that they've got to introduce like 2 or 3 big elements and factions into the story..and you're right, chapter count might not mean much, but they also have an obligation to introduce with proper substance. Like they couldn't just wave their hand and be like "yep thats Euron, moving on" it can't be a cliff notes version of the books acted out in live action, they need to make certain things cinematic for the tv medium. In that sense it's time consuming.

The Greyjoys don't need more a presence then they or Stannis had in the second season. I actually think they need less.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Well it's not just the Greyjoys though, they also need to at least pay lip service to the Martells and do it in a way that doesn't come off as cheap, they need to get across the spirit of what the books set up. I don't think you can do that with devoting some time to them, even if you cut back on like 4 of the 6 Sand Snakes or the like. You still need Doran, Arianne, Quentyn to set up some of the WoW elements [blackout] Quentyn's death being the factor that sends Dorne to FAegon's camp.[/blackout]

 

[DarthSkywalker]

And you don't think there isn't plenty of time in 10 episodes? Especially when we know that we will get more then a bit of ADWD in season 4. When [BLACKOUT]we will be losing a lot of characters who get screen time this season[/BLACKOUT]?