Hear me out before you get the flames burning... Smallville to SUPERBOY

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With the Superman movie franchise it seems unlikely they'd go as far to let Welling play a small screen version of Superman.

So what if they used certain legalities? Haven't looked into it but... Is it possible that upon creation of the series they label a show called "Metropolis" as lead by the character of Superboy. BUT in the actual show they don't refer to him as Superboy. Maybe they don't call him Superman yet. He hasn't made his presence known, similar to the Flash tv series where people start wondering if the hero exists. He becomes a myth. All they can catch is a blur cause he does things fast to not be noticed. Some people believe he exists, some don't. Meh, just trying to help. *runs since idea is likely stupid :eek:*
 
It would be interesting to find out whether or not Superboy falls under the same copyright reservations as Superman.
 
No. The characterization is Clark Kent, pre suit, eg, pre Superman. There is no such thing as "Superboy" in SV's continuity, period.
 
GAH! You don't get what I'm saying.

A new series when SV is over. Called "Metropolis"

We use the license for Superboy to get him in the suit BUT he doesn't get called Superboy on the show. People are unsure if he's a myth or not cause he's saving people without really letting himself in the public eye. That's the idea. May be stupid but that's what I mean.
 
A great idea proposed on (yes I'm saying it) L&C tv series is that before working for the planet Clark is a well traveled individual. Infact upon meeting Perry, Lois, etc... He explains life in New Guinea for example. I always thought that was cool. He finds himself, develops his power then settles as Superman in Metropolis.
 
We use the license for Superboy to get him in the suit...
There's a lawsuit about this, in case you haven't heard.

They wouldn't want to even elude to "Superboy" in ANY show, much less a spin-off to SV.

If the narrow-minded PTB don't want two costumed heroes known as "Superman" to be in the public domain at the same time, then so be it. SV, and any potential spin-off series should one be considered, is about SuperMAN. "Superboy" will NEVER exist in its continuity, and that is what I'M saying.

If you want to make a suggestion for a different type of spin-off series, DON'T use "Superboy" in the description. Don't even elude to it. That lawsuit is going to be banging around the courts for years; nobody want to give them more fuel for their fire.
 
Wow, that lawsuit hasn't been settled?

That's a giant wtf :eek:

How stupid :down

To me there is no Superboy live action going on, so why not twist the use of it for the purpose of appeasing fans who want Welling in the suit but don't want him called Superboy? Use the license, don't refer to him as Superboy. Wish life were that easy :(
 
the lawsuit was over the kon-el superboy because DC claimed rights over the character when the title 'superboy' was owned by other people that referred to clark as that.
i think its settled now- kon-el was killed off
 
the lawsuit was over the kon-el superboy
No, it isn't. The suit pertains to the ownership of SMALLVILLE. DC decided to off the comics Superboy probably because they didn't want the frustration to eventually spill over there, which is would. Same goes for Bender's many scenes in SR, which were apparently cut in the final print. I'm actually surprised they left what they did.

because DC claimed rights over the character when the title 'superboy' was owned by other people that referred to clark as that.
i think its settled now- kon-el was killed off
As far as I know, it hasn't been settled. It's not even CLOSE to being settled. This puppy is gonna go on for years...


Daily Variety
Apr. 4, 2006
Super snit in 'Smallville'
Skein faces copyright infringement charges
By DAVE MCNARY

There's a big dispute in "Smallville."

A federal judge in Los Angeles has found that the WB's young Superman skein may be infringing on the copyrights held on the Superboy character by the widow and daughter of Jerome Siegel, originator of the comicbook series.

The March 23 summary judgment by Judge Ronald S.W. Lew also found that Joanne Siegel and Laura Siegel Larson had successfully recaptured the Superboy rights as of Nov. 17, 2004.

Lew's rulings in the copyright infringement lawsuit against Time Warner, Warner Bros. and DC Comics throw into question the ownership of "Smallville" episodes that have run since November 2004. Lew denied a request by the defendants for a ruling that "Smallville" did not infringe on the Superboy copyrights.

Warner Bros. said in response that it "respectfully disagrees" with the rulings and will pursue an appeal.

Still to be resolved is the question of whether "Smallville" -- now in its fifth season and centered on a teenage Clark Kent -- is actually infringing on the Superboy copyright. No trial date has been set in the suit, filed in 2004.

In their request for partial summary judgment, Siegel and Larson didn't ask for a copyright infringement ruling, which Lew said would require a "detailed factual comparison." But he noted, "Enough facts are presented, where this court, contrary to defendants' request, could find that the main character in 'Smallville' is in fact Superboy."

Lew also added in a footnote, "In the Superboy comic strip, a billboard on the side of a rural country road announces, 'Welcome to Smallville! Home of Superboy."

In response, Warner Bros. also pointed out that the suit is directed solely to rights relating to the costumed character Superboy -- not Superman. "Moreover, the court's ruling does not affect the television series 'Smallville,' which is grounded in depictions of a young Superman that pre-date the publication of Superboy in 1944 and which therefore are not subject to the termination notice, even if valid," Warner added.

Marc Toberoff, who represents Siegel and Larson, told Daily Variety that the only representations of a younger Superman which pre-date 1944 Superboy consist of one or two panels showing Superman as a baby or toddler. "Jerry Siegel's Superboy focuses on Superboy's relationship with his parents and his adventures with school classmates in a small town which, by Superboy No. 2, was named Smallville," he added.

The dispute over who owns Superboy goes back to 1938 -- the same year the first Superman comicbook, based on the story originated by Siegel and illustrator Joseph Shuster, was published.

A few months later, Siegel agreed to provide Detective Comics with a new Superboy comicstrip and submitted a plan that was turned down. Siegel unsuccessfully attempted several more times to pique Detective's interest in Superboy before entering the Army in 1943.

But Detective began publishing Superboy comics in 1944 while Siegel was stationed in the Pacific, resulting in a 1947 lawsuit in which New York state court Judge Addison Young found Siegel to be the sole owner of Superboy. In 1948, Siegel reached a settlement with National Comics Publications (predecessor of DC Comics) in which he sold ownership of Superboy and Superman to National.

Siegel and Shuster sued to regain the Superman copyright in 1973, but lost that suit two years later. Siegel then launched a PR campaign to protest DC Comics' treatment of him and Shuster, placing a "curse" on the upcoming "Superman" film and resulting in Warner Communications awarding annual pensions to the duo along with credit as co-creators.

Shuster died in 1992; Siegel passed away four years later.

The Superboy copyrights -- granted originally for the standard 28 years -- were renewed for another 28 years between 1972 and 1975.

However, Congress amended copyright law in 1976 to extend renewal terms from 28 years to 47 years in order to allow authors and their heirs to recapture copyrights for the extended renewal period. So in late 2002, Joanne Siegel and Laura Siegel Larson served the standard two-year notice they were terminating the 1948 grant of the Superboy copyright.

But in August 2004, DC Comics notified Siegel and Larson it was denying the validity of the termination notice and asserting it would "vigorously oppose" any attempt to exploit the Superboy copyrights. Siegel and Larson filed their suit two months later.

In their legal responses to the Superboy suit, Time Warner and its co-defendants had contended Superboy was simply a younger version of Superman and that Superboy was "work for hire" solely owned by its predecessors. But Lew said those arguments were unpersuasive in light of rulings made by Judge Young in the 1947 trial.

Lew noted that Young had made those determinations after hearing evidence from the parties who were "directly involved" in the original dispute.

"Defendants' attempt to recast Superboy as a 'derivative work' or 'work for hire' stands in stark contrast to Judge Young's conclusion that Detective/National was 'perpetually enjoined and restrained from creating, publishing, selling or distributing' Superboy, based on the fact that Siegel was the sole and exclusive owner," Lew said.

"Defendants' argument also contradicts the fact that Siegel subsequently transferred his exclusive interest in Superboy to National in the May 19, 1948, stipulated settlement. Had Superboy been nothing more than a derivative work, Siegel would have owned no interest in the Superboy property to transfer."

Lew also noted that the defendants' predecessors had relied on Young's rulings in previous cases such as Siegel-Shuster's unsuccessful 1973 suit. "Defendants now take the inconsistent position that this court is not bound by the state court findings, as they relate to Superboy," he wrote.

Toberoff, a specialist in intellectual property, represented Robert B. Clark in his suit against Warner Bros., which was settled last year for at least $17.5 million for infringing on the copyright to the 1974 film "Moonrunners" by making the feature "The Dukes of Hazzard." "Moonrunners" became the basis of the Warner TV series "The Dukes of Hazzard."

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117941008.html
 
a new show called metropolis?

BRILLIANT!

why has nobody thought of that before
 
No, it isn't. The suit pertains to the ownership of SMALLVILLE. DC decided to off the comics Superboy probably because they didn't want the frustration to eventually spill over there, which is would. Same goes for Bender's many scenes in SR, which were apparently cut in the final print. I'm actually surprised they left what they did.

My understanding is that the dispute over Smallville itself has been settled. A judge ruled that it didn't fall under the realm of Superboy, if I recall.

The dispute was always over the rights to Superboy as a name and a concept because DC originally published Superboy without permission of Shuester.
 
My understanding is that the dispute over Smallville itself has been settled. A judge ruled that it didn't fall under the realm of Superboy, if I recall.
Any idea where you heard it?

While I'm not always up on general Superman news, I follow SV news pretty closely. I haven't seen any blurbs, be they on fan sites or in the general entertainment press, that have indicated the suit had been settled. Not saying that it hasn't, but I haven't heard anything on the issue since last spring.

The dispute was always over the rights to Superboy as a name and a concept because DC originally published Superboy without permission of Shuester.
That I know. It became a hot topic when SV entered the picture, however. My guess is, DC and Warners profits a hair more from the SV franchise than they do Superboy comics. ;)
 
I know fans have been calling a new series "Metropolis" for a long time. I didn't think I had to make it clear that it wasn't a new name. Wasn't trying to pass it off as a new idea as it has been around for a loooong time. duh
 
No, it isn't. The suit pertains to the ownership of SMALLVILLE. DC decided to off the comics Superboy probably because they didn't want the frustration to eventually spill over there, which is would. Same goes for Bender's many scenes in SR, which were apparently cut in the final print. I'm actually surprised they left what they did.

As far as I know, it hasn't been settled. It's not even CLOSE to being settled. This puppy is gonna go on for years...


Daily Variety​

Apr. 4, 2006​

Super snit in 'Smallville'​

Skein faces copyright infringement charges​

By DAVE MCNARY​


There's a big dispute in "Smallville."​


A federal judge in Los Angeles has found that the WB's young Superman skein may be infringing on the copyrights held on the Superboy character by the widow and daughter of Jerome Siegel, originator of the comicbook series.​


The March 23 summary judgment by Judge Ronald S.W. Lew also found that Joanne Siegel and Laura Siegel Larson had successfully recaptured the Superboy rights as of Nov. 17, 2004.​


Lew's rulings in the copyright infringement lawsuit against Time Warner, Warner Bros. and DC Comics throw into question the ownership of "Smallville" episodes that have run since November 2004. Lew denied a request by the defendants for a ruling that "Smallville" did not infringe on the Superboy copyrights.​


Warner Bros. said in response that it "respectfully disagrees" with the rulings and will pursue an appeal.​


Still to be resolved is the question of whether "Smallville" -- now in its fifth season and centered on a teenage Clark Kent -- is actually infringing on the Superboy copyright. No trial date has been set in the suit, filed in 2004.​


In their request for partial summary judgment, Siegel and Larson didn't ask for a copyright infringement ruling, which Lew said would require a "detailed factual comparison." But he noted, "Enough facts are presented, where this court, contrary to defendants' request, could find that the main character in 'Smallville' is in fact Superboy."​


Lew also added in a footnote, "In the Superboy comic strip, a billboard on the side of a rural country road announces, 'Welcome to Smallville! Home of Superboy."​


In response, Warner Bros. also pointed out that the suit is directed solely to rights relating to the costumed character Superboy -- not Superman. "Moreover, the court's ruling does not affect the television series 'Smallville,' which is grounded in depictions of a young Superman that pre-date the publication of Superboy in 1944 and which therefore are not subject to the termination notice, even if valid," Warner added.​


Marc Toberoff, who represents Siegel and Larson, told Daily Variety that the only representations of a younger Superman which pre-date 1944 Superboy consist of one or two panels showing Superman as a baby or toddler. "Jerry Siegel's Superboy focuses on Superboy's relationship with his parents and his adventures with school classmates in a small town which, by Superboy No. 2, was named Smallville," he added.​


The dispute over who owns Superboy goes back to 1938 -- the same year the first Superman comicbook, based on the story originated by Siegel and illustrator Joseph Shuster, was published.​


A few months later, Siegel agreed to provide Detective Comics with a new Superboy comicstrip and submitted a plan that was turned down. Siegel unsuccessfully attempted several more times to pique Detective's interest in Superboy before entering the Army in 1943.​


But Detective began publishing Superboy comics in 1944 while Siegel was stationed in the Pacific, resulting in a 1947 lawsuit in which New York state court Judge Addison Young found Siegel to be the sole owner of Superboy. In 1948, Siegel reached a settlement with National Comics Publications (predecessor of DC Comics) in which he sold ownership of Superboy and Superman to National.​


Siegel and Shuster sued to regain the Superman copyright in 1973, but lost that suit two years later. Siegel then launched a PR campaign to protest DC Comics' treatment of him and Shuster, placing a "curse" on the upcoming "Superman" film and resulting in Warner Communications awarding annual pensions to the duo along with credit as co-creators.​


Shuster died in 1992; Siegel passed away four years later.​


The Superboy copyrights -- granted originally for the standard 28 years -- were renewed for another 28 years between 1972 and 1975.​


However, Congress amended copyright law in 1976 to extend renewal terms from 28 years to 47 years in order to allow authors and their heirs to recapture copyrights for the extended renewal period. So in late 2002, Joanne Siegel and Laura Siegel Larson served the standard two-year notice they were terminating the 1948 grant of the Superboy copyright.​


But in August 2004, DC Comics notified Siegel and Larson it was denying the validity of the termination notice and asserting it would "vigorously oppose" any attempt to exploit the Superboy copyrights. Siegel and Larson filed their suit two months later.​


In their legal responses to the Superboy suit, Time Warner and its co-defendants had contended Superboy was simply a younger version of Superman and that Superboy was "work for hire" solely owned by its predecessors. But Lew said those arguments were unpersuasive in light of rulings made by Judge Young in the 1947 trial.​


Lew noted that Young had made those determinations after hearing evidence from the parties who were "directly involved" in the original dispute.​


"Defendants' attempt to recast Superboy as a 'derivative work' or 'work for hire' stands in stark contrast to Judge Young's conclusion that Detective/National was 'perpetually enjoined and restrained from creating, publishing, selling or distributing' Superboy, based on the fact that Siegel was the sole and exclusive owner," Lew said.​


"Defendants' argument also contradicts the fact that Siegel subsequently transferred his exclusive interest in Superboy to National in the May 19, 1948, stipulated settlement. Had Superboy been nothing more than a derivative work, Siegel would have owned no interest in the Superboy property to transfer."​


Lew also noted that the defendants' predecessors had relied on Young's rulings in previous cases such as Siegel-Shuster's unsuccessful 1973 suit. "Defendants now take the inconsistent position that this court is not bound by the state court findings, as they relate to Superboy," he wrote.​


Toberoff, a specialist in intellectual property, represented Robert B. Clark in his suit against Warner Bros., which was settled last year for at least $17.5 million for infringing on the copyright to the 1974 film "Moonrunners" by making the feature "The Dukes of Hazzard." "Moonrunners" became the basis of the Warner TV series "The Dukes of Hazzard."​



i think thats part of the same law suit, it effects every facet of 'superboy' but of course smallville doesn't refer to it as such, kon-el on the other hand-
http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20060619172141AAYH8SK
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kon-El#The_fight_for_.22Superboy.22

from what i know the rights are in the hands of seigel and shusters heirs but DC are appealing, i don't know where that is though
 
Any idea where you heard it?

While I'm not always up on general Superman news, I follow SV news pretty closely. I haven't seen any blurbs, be they on fan sites or in the general entertainment press, that have indicated the suit had been settled. Not saying that it hasn't, but I haven't heard anything on the issue since last spring.

I don't quite remember. It could have been just someone talking; perhaps a judge or someone was giving his opinion on the matter but the case hadn't been settled? I was pretty sure that it had been settled, but maybe I was wrong.

AgentPat said:
That I know. It became a hot topic when SV entered the picture, however. My guess is, DC and Warners profits a hair more from the SV franchise than they do Superboy comics. ;)

Yeeeah, you're right there. I think at the time of Infinite Crisis, the current Superboy was appearing in Teen Titans and that's it. I don't think he'd had his own book since sometime in the mid-90's, back when he was all punked out and "hep."
 

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