First Avenger How could a guy with no real powers lead the Avengers

[Silvermoth]

I've always imagined Steve with a quieter voice myself. Like JFK almost but that's just me.

 

[redlion2]

I think one of the qualities that helps Cap's leadership skills is his indomitable will. No matter how impossible the odds may seem or how powerful his opponent may seem, Cap seems to always believe that somehow he will triumph. No matter what, he is going to keep coming at you until he finds a way to beat you.

Tony Stark is a genius and courageous to be sure but sometimes he despairs, he doubts, Cap seems to always have the confidence and the right strategy to win. Tony has seen what Cap is capable of and when he (Tony) begins to falter he has trust, respect and faith that Cap will stay the course. Naturally, Tony would follow this guy because he trusts Cap knows what he's doing.

Thor truly respects Cap's brave heart and his moral compass. I think Thor has stated of all the mortals he has met, Cap is one of the bravest and has one of the purest hearts. As a warrior himself, Thor respects that but Thor and the rest of the Avengers know that as a tactician, there's none better. That's why Cap was able to lead both the Avengers and JLA because of his uncanny ability to strategize on the fly.

Before Steve Rogers took the SSS he impressed everyone with his determination so that quality was always there, I think the serum enhanced that trait even more but that's just my opinion.

 

[Stripesy Strip]

^^^^

Incredible will and leadership skills. Cap never lose. He never give up. He always find a way to win. He's also a master strategist.

 

[M.O.Steel]

well just like batman can hold his own in the JL.

 

[captainrogers]

^^^^

Incredible will and leadership skills. Cap never lose. He never give up. He always find a way to win. He's also a master strategist.

Heck, in the JLA/Avengers crossover, Cap was the guy unanimously chosen to lead BOTH teams into battle. Out of all the crossovers, this one (I think) is the only one that is considered cannon. By DC at least.

 

[KalMart]

How can Lex Luthor be the arch-nemesis of the most powerful of Superheroes....without having powers himself?

Spoiler

Answer: "....llLLLLAAAAANNNnnddddd....."

 

[KalMart]

Heck, in the JLA/Avengers crossover, Cap was the guy unanimously chosen to lead BOTH teams into battle. Out of all the crossovers, this one (I think) is the only one that is considered cannon. By DC at least.

That's 'cuz they're all a bunch of right-wing tight-arses.

 

[wobbly]

Heck, in the JLA/Avengers crossover, Cap was the guy unanimously chosen to lead BOTH teams into battle. Out of all the crossovers, this one (I think) is the only one that is considered cannon. By DC at least.

The DC Vs Marvel one was considered Canon for a spell, but whichever is the latest one stands as long as the story treated them as 2 separate universes (any crossover that ignores that and treat them as one world, like Spider-Man Vs Superman, Batman Vs hulk etc, is never canon).

 

[captainrogers]

The DC Vs Marvel one was considered Canon for a spell, but whichever is the latest one stands as long as the story treated them as 2 separate universes (any crossover that ignores that and treat them as one world, like Spider-Man Vs Superman, Batman Vs hulk etc, is never canon).

I don't think that DC vs Marvel was ever considered cannon. The only reason I can safely say that JLA/Avengers is, is because elements and outcomes from this story were still in use after it was done. (the fate of Krona, Cosmic egg, etc.)

 

[Kurosawa]

As others have said, he leads because he is best at it.

The same way that Wolverine could kick Cyclopes' ass, Wolverine is simply not a leader. He's far from a follower as well, but that's a bit different.

Powers aren't what make you a leader. Similarly, look at Charlie. He never shows the skills his Angels have, but he's their leader.

Cyke has beaten Wolverine and the only chance Wolverine has is because Cyke wouldn't want to kill him. Cyclops could literally disintegrate every molecule in Wolverine's body if he so chose to. And as I said, he has goaded Wolverine into a berzerker rage and beaten him before. Remember, superhero comic book fights are nothing but popularity contests. That's why Batman beats Superman instead of losing in a humiliating fashion in 5 seconds which is what would make sense.

^^^^

Incredible will and leadership skills. Cap never lose. He never give up. He always find a way to win. He's also a master strategist.

Cap is the ultimate winner. Ask Mister Hyde about it-it seems every time he runs into Cap, Cap is having the worst day ever and Hyde (who is very powerful) gets his ass handed to him.

 

[PumpkinBombxXx]

Cap leads the avengers because of stratigic wisdom and his abilitie to never back down from a fight nomatter who he is fighting he is the ultimate "if there is a will there is a way" guy. Strength of the mind and heart always beat strength of the body.This is like putting to chumps in a fight one is twice as big as the other guy but the runt has something to fight for. I liken this to why superheroes always win in the end. they are self less and care much more about the greater good then say a villain who isnt willing to die for there cause

 

[Dragon]

The reason Cap is the best choice to lead the Avengers is the very fact that he isn't superhuman. Because of his lack of super strength and invulnerability, hre's managed to survive terrible odds by being a great strategist.
He's also a better leader in that he doesn't have many of the ego issues that a godling, a billionaire playboy and a head-case like Bruce Banner would have.

 

[Tony Stark]

Cap is the epitome of leadership, however, this version of Cap is going to be somewhat Ultimate in that he will have superpowers. The second is that Iron Man will most likely be the leader of the Avengers in the movie, just as he is in the new animated Avengers.

Having said that there's never been a problem with Cap not having superpowers, just as there's never been a problem with Batman never having powers.

 

[Marvin]

caps the leader cause there's no one else that can lol
(cept maybe cyclops) (the jla has multiple characters that could lead at anytime)

actually he's just sure of himself and intelligent, also he's got a good old american spirit about him. kinda like tom hanks in private ryan but more caricatured.
hopefully chris evans does something interesting with the material.

 

[captainrogers]

Great Panel from Frank Miller's Daredevil.

 

[Hoblin]

^^ Damn yes!

 

[SuperFerret]

Cap is the epitome of leadership, however, this version of Cap is going to be somewhat Ultimate in that he will have superpowers. The second is that Iron Man will most likely be the leader of the Avengers in the movie, just as he is in the new animated Avengers.

Having said that there's never been a problem with Cap not having superpowers, just as there's never been a problem with Batman never having powers.

What? Cap's always had superpowers.

 

[wobbly]

What? Cap's always had superpowers.

Not quite. Though his abilities can be considered superhuman (being the best at just about anything physical a human can do should be regarded as that) he has no powers beyond that. Thor and Iron-Man (via his armour at least) can both fly, have strength far in excess of Cap, are invulnerable to standard weaponry, and can both fire off highly destructive weapons at will. Hulk again has strength far beyond cap, is virtually invulnerable, and has super fast healing too.

But I guess it's how you define 'powers' in the end. For me powers is something clearly beyond anything a human can ever do or an ability we simply do not possess at all on any level, Like flying at will, sticking to walls, controlling the weather with a thought, the strength to lift outrageously heavy weights, etc.

 

[captainrogers]

Not quite. Though his abilities can be considered superhuman (being the best at just about anything physical a human can do should be regarded as that) he has no powers beyond that. Thor and Iron-Man (via his armour at least) can both fly, have strength far in excess of Cap, are invulnerable to standard weaponry, and can both fire off highly destructive weapons at will. Hulk again has strength far beyond cap, is virtually invulnerable, and has super fast healing too.

But I guess it's how you define 'powers' in the end. For me powers is something clearly beyond anything a human can ever do or an ability we simply do not possess at all on any level, Like flying at will, sticking to walls, controlling the weather with a thought, the strength to lift outrageously heavy weights, etc.

Agreed. Cap doesn't hit the superhumanity markers for strength, speed, durability etc. in the Marvel U, but in terms of total body mechanics and function, he is WAY beyond what all other humans are. I've described Cap as a Human without limits. (or Human without barriers)

 

[SuperFerret]

And that counts as a superpower. He's usually written at being peak human at EVERYTHING (an impossibility in reality) or being just above peak human at EVERYTHING. Both are "superhuman".

 

[wobbly]

Depends on your point of view, but for me there's a difference between Super-powered and super-human.

What I'm getting at is it can be argued the current world's strongest man is superhuman, as no ordinary human comes even close to them. Likewise, the world's fastest sprinter, etc.

'Super Powers' implies the things I've already mentioned, basically the ability to do something that is not at all possible for any human. Any characters who can fly unassisted, can stretch their limbs like Mr. Fantastic, turn invisible, flame on, stick to walls, etc.

 

[SuperFerret]

And being the strongest a man can be as well as the fastest and most agile, etc. all at the same time is impossible for any human.

 

[wobbly]

And being the strongest a man can be as well as the fastest and most agile, etc. all at the same time is impossible for any human.

Again, superhuman. But that is not a power as such, but the perfect physical condition the Super Soldier treatment has left him in.

Like I've said before, this one is down to your point of view. Though he certainly does qualify as Superhuman I personally don't consider Cap to be super-powered (I've already stated examples of things I'd call powers so I won't repeat them)

If you don't agree with me treating those terms as being different that's fine.

 

[SuperFerret]

 

[misjuevos]

again cap is the only one with leadership and experience leading a squad. thor fights with the other gods but just goes in by himself and wreaks havoc on his enemy. he fights by himself so he can unleash his power. hulk and iron man have no experience at all leading a squadron.