How does Spider-man 2 stand up?

[jacobed]

One complaint I have about the fight scenes is how Doc Ock can take a punch from Spider-Man. Spider-man has super human strength, there's no way Ock should be able to take a punch from him. Haha but bringing logic into a movie with a guy who has spider powers is stupid I know. That really is an epic fight topped off by the epic one liner you have a train to catch. That scene alone makes the movie worth watching.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Remains my favorite.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

One complaint I have about the fight scenes is how Doc Ock can take a punch from Spider-Man. Spider-man has super human strength, there's no way Ock should be able to take a punch from him. Haha but bringing logic into a movie with a guy who has spider powers is stupid I know. That really is an epic fight topped off by the epic one liner you have a train to catch. That scene alone makes the movie worth watching.

I'm not one to make excuses about movies, but IMO I always felt in those scene's it was the arms keeping Doc Ock conscious. I dont accept for one minute Spidey was holding back, in the first fight Aunt May's life was at stak and in the 2nd MJ's was, but I always thought the arms were keeping him conscious. And then, 2.1 came out, and in several of the extended fight scene's, Doc Ock looks knocked out, cold in a few scene's, but then the arms came to life and he was suddenly back in the game, this just confirmed to me it was laways the arms in control and keeping him conscious.

 

[El Payaso]

One complaint I have about the fight scenes is how Doc Ock can take a punch from Spider-Man. Spider-man has super human strength, there's no way Ock should be able to take a punch from him. Haha but bringing logic into a movie with a guy who has spider powers is stupid I know. That really is an epic fight topped off by the epic one liner you have a train to catch. That scene alone makes the movie worth watching.

I agree with you and I think that what would be really stupid is to think that in a movie with a guy who has spider powers you can do whatever and it won't matter just because the premise is fantastic.

 

[Chris Wallace]

And how entertaining would it have been to either A-have a 3 second fight or B-have Spidey unable to land any punches?

 

[El Payaso]

And how entertaining would it have been to either A-have a 3 second fight or B-have Spidey unable to land any punches?

You're so right, so let's have Superman punching Lex Luthor for the reboot, and we cannot wonder how the hell Luthor doesn't die because if Superman doesn't ñpunch him it will be immediately not entertaining.

 

[The Joker]

Molina's Doc Ock had A.I. wired into his brain and central nervous system. He was not going to lose consciousness. Not to mention Spidey pulls his punches. He's not a killer. He's not going to take Ock's head clean off his shoulders with a full force punch.

You know, it's where his whole with great power comes great responsibility rule comes in

 

[El Payaso]

Molina's Doc Ock had A.I. wired into his brain and central nervous system. He was not going to lose consciousness. Not to mention Spidey pulls his punches. He's not a killer. He's not going to take Ock's head clean off his shoulders with a full force punch.

You know, it's where his whole with great power comes great responsibility rule comes in

When Ock and Spidey were fighting at the tower, Spiderman had no problem throwing one of the clock's hand towards Octopus. According to the movie it was mere chance what saved Octopus of being killed.

So I think it's more of a 'Raimi didn't think of that but we, as the audience, can fill some plotholes' thing.

 

[The Joker]

When Ock and Spidey were fighting at the tower, Spiderman had no problem throwing one of the clock's hand towards Octopus. According to the movie it was mere chance what saved Octopus of being killed.

Spidey tossed the clock hand at the ground underneath Ock in order to knock him off his feet (which it did). Yeah, it was a risk that the clock hand might have hit Ock, but Spidey was fighting for his life hanging off a clock tower.

A blatant unjustified endangerment of the villain happened in Spider-Man 1, at the unity festival, when Spidey just swung in out of nowhere and knocked the Goblin off his glider. He's just lucky that there was a marquee below that the Goblin landed in.

Ditto in SM-3, when Harry first attacked him, and Peter tossed the razor bats right back at Harry.

 

[Brother Jack]

I don't rate it as highly as some people do, but I still like it quite a bit. In fact I'd probably call it the best Marvel film to date.

 

[E-Man]

I saw it again about 2 months ago, and it just amazed me with how well the whole movie flowed. I really hate how this movie got lost among the Spider-man 3 complaints and TDK love. To be honest I'm with Superferret on thinking this is a better movie than The Dark Knight. The Dark Knight is good, but not even close to being great to me. The Dark Knight really lost a ton of emotion from Batman Begins. Batman Begins was great in giving the characters a reason to do what they did. TDK feels like a term paper that speaks some good philosophy, but it doesn't quite have the composition and flow that BB or Spider-man 2 had.

What makes Spider-man 2 great is many things, and not just one thing. The character dilemmas that are presented to Peter are reasonable. There doesn't seem to be drama there for the sake of drama, it just feels like the natural progression of a guy who has super powers that give him too much responsibility. Then there's the Doc Ock fight scenes. Yeah those were pretty damn cool.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Like I previously said, a bad sequel will highlight the flaws of the preceding films that were often overlooked. Spiderman was no exception.

Also, the train fight scene is arguably the greatest sequence in a superhero/comic book film ever, and I liked Peter's fall from grace.

Btw does anyone else notice that despite 3 films, Peter was never fully Spiderman for the whole film for any of them? The first film was an origin story; The second film he gave up halfway to come back; and the third he was affected by the symbiote and wore the black suit. Not complaining, I see it as funny. However, I hope in the reboot Webb can at least keep Parker as Spiderman the whole film.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

Btw does anyone else notice that despite 3 films, Peter was never fully Spiderman for the whole film for any of them? The first film was an origin story; The second film he gave up halfway to come back; and the third he was affected by the symbiote and wore the black suit. Not complaining, I see it as funny. However, I hope in the reboot Webb can at least keep Parker as Spiderman the whole film.

That's the essential crux of superhero stories. The hero has to be kept away for the drama to build, and then arrive on the scene at the most dramatic time. There are three main variations on this:

1. Superhero origin. The alter ego becomes the hero at the point a hero is needed (Spider-Man arrives at literally the same time as the Green Goblin, Batman turns up in Gotham at the same time the League of Shadows/Scarecrow/Falcone hatch their plan).

2. Superhero gives up (Spider-Man II, Superman II), allowing villains to come in and cause trouble unmolested, and show how defenceless the people are without the superhero. Superhero arrives again at the climax. This is absolutely classic three-act structure. Setup (hero looks after city), problem/everything goes bad (hero quits, bad guys reign), resolution (hero back, bad guys defeated).

3. Superhero turns bad/corrupted (Spider-Man 3, Superman III), and again, evil reigns until he purges himself and becomes the hero again.

 

[Infinity9999x]

I saw it again about 2 months ago, and it just amazed me with how well the whole movie flowed. I really hate how this movie got lost among the Spider-man 3 complaints and TDK love. To be honest I'm with Superferret on thinking this is a better movie than The Dark Knight. The Dark Knight is good, but not even close to being great to me. The Dark Knight really lost a ton of emotion from Batman Begins. Batman Begins was great in giving the characters a reason to do what they did. TDK feels like a term paper that speaks some good philosophy, but it doesn't quite have the composition and flow that BB or Spider-man 2 had.

Despite my own misgivings about SM2, I completely agree with this. SM2 isn't a bad movie, but it suffered from the same fate as Batman Forever. Now BF wasn't as good as SM2, but it wasn't that bad of a movie. People didn't mind it. After B&R, it got clumped in there as one of the "horrible" Batman movies, even though it wasn't nearly as bad as B&R.

SM2 is going through the same thing. The SM3 hate bled over onto it.

Now, I will say, I personally think SM2, while a very, very good movie, is not the best adaptation. I actually enjoyed SM3 more in theatres then SM2, because I didn't have very high expectations for it. I knew what to expect, and I got basically what I expected. SM3 had everything in it that I didn't like about SM2, just more exaggerated, but since I didn't have huge expectations, I actually had a good time at the theatre.

 

[redfirebird2008]

Despite my own misgivings about SM2, I completely agree with this. SM2 isn't a bad movie, but it suffered from the same fate as Batman Forever. Now BF wasn't as good as SM2, but it wasn't that bad of a movie. People didn't mind it. After B&R, it got clumped in there as one of the "horrible" Batman movies, even though it wasn't nearly as bad as B&R.

SM2 is going through the same thing. The SM3 hate bled over onto it.

I feel it's the other way around. I remember getting jumped on around here for daring to criticize the dialogue and acting in SM2 before the third movie even came out. And then when SM3 did come out, people threw it under the bus like it raped their childhoods when the signs were already in SM1 and SM2. The same flaws in SM3 can be found in those two movies, it's just that SM3's flaws are ramped up on steroids compared to the first two, and on top of this the actors/director mailed it in. People put the first two on a pedestal and ignored the foreshadowing that was already evident. Is SM3 worse? Absolutely. Is it monumentally worse? Nope.

Ironically, one of the good things about SM3 was the lack of Aunt May monologues. I HATED her monologues in SM2. Hated that scene with Peter and Uncle Ben. Hated the "Raindrops Keep Fallin' on My Head" scene. Hated the fire rescue scene. Otherwise, it is a good film on the same level as the first Spidey movie. I would give the edge to SM1 in story but SM2 undoubtedly has better action scenes and Molina was a great villain. This isn't to say Dafoe was bad in SM1, it's just hard to take him seriously in the Power Ranger suit.

 

[Infinity9999x]

I feel it's the other way around. I remember getting jumped on around here for daring to criticize the dialogue and acting in SM2 before the third movie even came out. And then when SM3 did come out, people threw it under the bus like it raped their childhoods when the signs were already in SM1 and SM2. The same flaws in SM3 can be found in those two movies, it's just that SM3's flaws are ramped up on steroids compared to the first two, and on top of this the actors/director mailed it in. People put the first two on a pedestal and ignored the foreshadowing that was already evident. Is SM3 worse? Absolutely. Is it monumentally worse? Nope.

Oh I know, I actually say the same thing in my post. SM2 had the same flaws SM3 had, just in smaller doses. SM3 really isn't that bad though. Over hyping can really bite a movie in the ass. The hype for SM3 was HUGE. Bigger then any superhero movie until then, and when the resulting movie was average, people flipped a nut. They were calling it one of the worst superhero movies ever, which is completely unfair. The same happened with X3, and it's happening to IM2 now, but to a smaller extent.

Ironically, one of the good things about SM3 was the lack of Aunt May monologues. I HATED her monologues in SM2. Hated that scene with Peter and Uncle Ben. Hated the "Raindrops Keep Fallin' on My Head" scene. Hated the fire rescue scene. Otherwise, it is a good film on the same level as the first Spidey movie. I would give the edge to SM1 in story but SM2 undoubtedly has better action scenes and Molina was a great villain. This isn't to say Dafoe was bad in SM1, it's just hard to take him seriously in the Power Ranger suit.

I agree. I really wish they had used more of Dafoe's natural face, they guy could have been truly terrifying.

 

[VenomVsSpidey]

Oh I know, I actually say the same thing in my post. SM2 had the same flaws SM3 had, just in smaller doses. SM3 really isn't that bad though. Over hyping can really bite a movie in the ass. The hype for SM3 was HUGE. Bigger then any superhero movie until then, and when the resulting movie was average, people flipped a nut. They were calling it one of the worst superhero movies ever, which is completely unfair. The same happened with X2, and it's happening to IM2 now, but to a smaller extent.


I agree. I really wish they had used more of Dafoe's natural face, they guy could have been truly terrifying.

X2? That's seen as the best one....or at least I thought

 

[Infinity9999x]

X2? That's seen as the best one....or at least I thought

Whoops typeo. I meant X3.

 

[E-Man]

Despite my own misgivings about SM2, I completely agree with this. SM2 isn't a bad movie, but it suffered from the same fate as Batman Forever. Now BF wasn't as good as SM2, but it wasn't that bad of a movie. People didn't mind it. After B&R, it got clumped in there as one of the "horrible" Batman movies, even though it wasn't nearly as bad as B&R.

SM2 is going through the same thing. The SM3 hate bled over onto it.

Now, I will say, I personally think SM2, while a very, very good movie, is not the best adaptation. I actually enjoyed SM3 more in theatres then SM2, because I didn't have very high expectations for it. I knew what to expect, and I got basically what I expected. SM3 had everything in it that I didn't like about SM2, just more exaggerated, but since I didn't have huge expectations, I actually had a good time at the theatre.

I feel the same way about Batman Begins. I think the world of that movie, but it seems to be semi forgotten with TDK coming out.

 

[spider-neil]

for me its the second best superhero movie ever made.
the villian is fully developed and you get his motivation, the hero goes through a journey and is a different person by the end of the movie. the train fight is FANTASTIC. love it, love it, love it. I left the cinema thinking that is THE best superhero movie I have ever seen, well until TDK, having said that I find I skip less scenes in SM2 than TDK when I rewatch both movies, if that makes sense?

sam really showed have walked after SM2, his stock and rep would be much higher if he had.

 

[SamuraiSon6]

this is my opinion of course, i don't expect everyone to agree, but i believe it is the best superhero movie ever made

 

[Red Mask]

Around the time of its release it was hailed by many as the best superhero film of all-time now since then we've had the dark knight kind of take that title for itself but overall during the past 6 years are there any other super hero films that have been arguably better?

I consider it the benchmark for superhero films. It achieved so much for the genre.

 

[S.A.A.D.]

The movie's script is the problem,too bland,and doesn't have much going on in it. If it had one rewrite or more it could be so much better than it really is. I still think it's marginally better than Spiderman though,Peter Parker's personality is too static as well imo.

 

[I'm Old Greg]

i saw this movie drunk and enjoyed it! everytime Dunst and Maguire were on scene i fazed out...i thought Doc Oc was played well except for it controlling him was a bore.

after seeing it sober...the movie is boooring.. the action is good, its Rami finally getting to his Evil Dead excitement but it gets boring whenever you see Dunst, Aunt May, and Maguire...

and the fact that Spidey could easily cave Ocks face in with a flick of his finger made no sense Ock could take full on punches. Its not like Ock has super bone structure. Rami should have made Spidey unable to throw any punches at Ock cause of the arms deflecting each hit. Nuff said.