Never said he was a psychopath, but he's a paranoid, obsessive, emotionally repressed sociopath. He's clearly not sane, and furthermore, he hasn't been written as a rounded individual for years now.
The idea of the thread is how should Nolan's Batman movies end. I have one idea, but it takes the whole movie into account (Batman becoming dark and over the edge and loosing his grip, but in the end reaches the light at the end of the tunnel and has finally found a balance in being Batman).
But I could also see how Nolan could have Bruce die in the end, having Alfred cover it up so that no one knows he was Batman or that Batman is dead and having all of Gotham still affraid and stories still being told about beware of the Batman. I can also make connections between this idea, of his death, or the other two movies.
But I can also see retirement or always being Batman possible endings too.
Whatever the ending, it must bookend the story of Nolan's Batman. It must fit with how it began and work with the second movie too.
to address his mental state, which everyone is entitled to their opinion and I know I wont change anyone's minds over the internet. But If he was ever arrested, they would look to see if he would be tried as criminally insane (In the comics terms) and I don't think he would be. He knows exactly what he is doing at all times. He is always in control of his faculties and knows right from wrong. He knows the results of his actions and the consequences.
The thing that makes him seem crazy is that he dresses up in an elaborate costume to fight crime, but thats just a comic book rule. He was created in the same vain (spelling?) as the Shadow, Zorro, and Superman. You cannot judge comic book superheroes by the real world's standard of sanity, because he is not real and most comic superheroes dress is wacky costumes too.
As far as his who the real Bruce is, the first movie tried to say that Batman is the real Bruce Wayne and the Playboy Bruce is a mask. But I agree that in the Nolan movies the Bruce that Alfred sees, who is Batman without the elaborateness, is the real Bruce. Batman is a symbol that criminals fear, he is believed to be a murderer, a monster, supernatural, crazy. Bruce is not any of those. Bruce is the Bruce that only Alfred sees. He is the Batman that the cartoon created, but in a more realistic way.
Never said he was a psychopath, but he's a paranoid, obsessive, emotionally repressed sociopath. He's clearly not sane, and furthermore, he hasn't been written as a rounded individual for years now.
Psychopathy and sociopathy are practically the same terms under the personality disorder field. And they are both indubitably erroneous descriptions of Bruce's mental state. As well as craziness and paranoia which you have also attributed to him. At this point I'm forced to believe we're not reading the same material as I'm baffled how anyone could think Bruce is any of those things.
Unless the case is that you've rounded up several symptoms Bruce shares with certain disorders (which he does), and concluded he is a victim of that illness. I can only say that is about as accurate as me forming a horrifying thought that my pre-pubescent sister is pregnant because she's sufferred from nausea and morning sickness. Or...well, she could just have a common virus that most children are susceptible to.
So, maybe the ending could have Bruce retire with his new girlfriend Catwoman and they have lots of babies and Gotham is super clean and futuristic like Metopolis. Hmm? Sound good to anyone?
Just kidding, i could see it end with Catwoman being part of the Bat-Family (Fox, Alfred).
She is introduced like in Hush or DC's the Nail, where she is a trouble making burglar, but no real threat. She is bad news and a sort of bad girl, bad for Bruce in the movie, but gets caught up in Bruce's life as Batman and in the end becomes a serious love interest and, at the very end of the movie, is now sort of along for the ride and helping him save Gotham. Her and Batman looking out over the city.
I'd like Nolan's trilogy to have a definite ending. It can be its own realistic setting ,crime drama Batman trilogy. Then the next one can have a brand new take a be a little more comic booky.
P.S. I'm a huge fan of Nolan. I'm not one of those pissy fan boys who wants everything to be like the comics even though that state does sound like it.
Nolan should do the right thing and kill Bruce/batman. It makes sense in a couple of ways. Umm...
1. In a hyper realistic world this sort of conclusion just makes sense. How can batman survive forever in a realistic world. He cant fight for Gotham forever. and imagining this Bruce Wayne doing a Batman Beyond type thing just sounds gay. And if he gives up his identity, he has to die! No way he would survive in the town afterwards. He would have to either leave the city unprotected or die.
2. Every important character that has tried to help Gotham, has died. Why not Bruce Wayne?
To kill him off for greater purpose to the city of Gotham would have a significant effect on the story in a positive way. Like his parents and friends, Bruce dies to help save the city of Gotham, but this time, he succeeds. He does what he set out to do...Save Gotham.
Nolan's movies are not hyper realistic. TDK had tons of extremely implausible moments, just presented in a way that they would seem plausible. But realistic? Not in a million ears.
I was going to point that out but was too lazy. But not too lazy to agree with you, this isn't "Kick Ass". Batman's not going to get "killed off" because of Nolan's "realism". If that was the case, Batman would've died before the first film was over.
the notion on these boards (I recall that thread a year or two ago) that Nolan should kill off Batman is pathetic and ridiculous.
what are some of you posters smoking where you come up with half this crap? Because I want some..........
I was going to point that out but was too lazy. But not too lazy to agree with you, this isn't "Kick Ass". Batman's not going to get "killed off" because of Nolan's "realism". If that was the case, Batman would've died before the first film was over.
the notion on these boards (I recall that thread a year or two ago) that Nolan should kill off Batman is pathetic and ridiculous.
what are some of you posters smoking where you come up with half this crap? Because I want some..........
You might be right. But i cant wait to shove this in your face if batman ending up dying or sacrificing himself for gotham turns out to be the case.
And also. Nolan has taken a hyper realistic approach you moron. He says he does himself. In both batman begins and the dark knight he takes a hyper realistic approach. having a realistic setting with some moments of outlandishness is hyper realistic. Please someone back me up on this...
Hyper realistic means that it's extremely realistic, which means there's not a shred of fantasy in there. I believe the term you were going for was "heightened realism", though I don't think Nolan ever said that exact phrase himself.
Hyper realistic means that it's extremely realistic, which means there's not a shred of fantasy in there. I believe the term you were going for was "heightened realism", though I don't think Nolan ever said that exact phrase himself.
You might be right. But i cant wait to shove this in your face if batman ending up dying or sacrificing himself for gotham turns out to be the case.
And also. Nolan has taken a hyper realistic approach you moron. He says he does himself. In both batman begins and the dark knight he takes a hyper realistic approach. having a realistic setting with some moments of outlandishness is hyper realistic. Please someone back me up on this...
I'm a moron? You're the one who feels Batman should be killed off go smoke your crack, because you're apparantly high as hell
and did you not read my post? If Batman were to die because of Nolan's "realism" it would have happened before the first film was over. Nolan's NOT killing off Batman, you freaking basehead
damn, and the intelligence in here drops some more points
Never said he was a psychopath, but he's a paranoid, obsessive, emotionally repressed sociopath. He's clearly not sane, and furthermore, he hasn't been written as a rounded individual for years now.
So, what if B3 ends with the Joker rigging the planet to blow and Bruce and Selina send their son to a distant planet to save him from the explosion? Wouldnt that be a twist?
These films are plausible. Not realistic. They use the word realistic because it's easy enough to understand and people will automatically understand it in explanation. But it's all plausible. I mean for God sakes, Batman can jump off a tall building, glide over a city without something happening to the wings, break into a glass building and not get shot at, escape capture from authorities by using a skyhook. In the "real world" you would get either caught or killed. And if this was hyper realism, Batman would have smashed into the huge ass metal things holding up the monorail and died. This stuff isn't too unrealstic to not believe and are on the edge of believability. You could believe that Batman could pull off the Hong Kong stuff, but in reality, it probably wouldn't work.
I think if catwoman is in this third flick, her name wont only stand for her appearance as a cat, but more so as the first legit copy cat of batman himself in gotham city.
this is how bruce's legacy expands in the third film. I feel catwoman is a part of it and with Batman, she will symbolize the continuim of his symbol.
...and then at the end you have batman and catowman's sillhouttes running towards the screen with the batsignal on in the background lol.
Once again, I can't see Nolan being selfish enough to kill Batman at the end, or even 'retire' him (which itself completely contradicts the theme of TDK). Either of these two outcomes forces whoever comes along after Nolan to do yet another reboot to the story, and that's not fair. The man has more foresight than that. He's successfully rebooted the franchise so others don't have to. Do we really want to see yet another origin story?
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go smoke your crack, because you're apparantly high as hell
