Sequels How should the X-Men films proceed from this point?

[GuestStar2004]

You demonstrated in just a few lines that it would be impossible to have the exact same story in the other time period.

That is probably true but that is not the point of what i am getting at, in the long run if you want to compare the casts you put them in the exact same scenario or at least a very similar one and then judge on the marketability, you don't do what alot of people do and judge by story potential of what they could do with the OC compared to the apocalypse cast because thats judging on false expectation of film quality

I also think the opportunities of a future-set Apocalypse - with its setting and available characters - would have rippled through the production and could have improved its reception both critically and commercially.

Yeah but thats all it is, just potential opportunities, but thats more expectation of what they can do rather then what they actually would do, after all bryan and kinberg would likely still have been writing and directing so why would you expect they would have done anything particularly special compared to the apocalypse we got? more X-Men to market? maybe, but thats just as many X-Men to waste.

its like they could have had a scene where emma frost and banshee are found alive at strykers base and then you could have had them in the story, it would have been a much bigger thing!, but who wants to bet that didn't cross their minds? the jubilee scenes were minor and were mostly cut out even though singer said he really wanted her in it, havok was killed off and taken out of the story, they thought about giving wolverine a bigger role but didn't, the idea wasn't to create a huge event quite clearly

 

[DOBSON10]

Personally, for the X-Men themselves, I'm ready for a reboot to be honest. As much as I like Michael Fassbender, James McAvoy & to a lesser extent Olivia Munn in their roles, the rest of the cast doesn't do much for me and I don't have any interest at all in this new teen-ish cast of Cyclops, Jean & Storm or the retro-past timeline/settings.

If I were running the Franchise, I would rather see the adult versions of the main characters, in the 25-35 range, Wolverine could in the 30-45 range (and obviously that would make Xavier/Magneto older as well) but no more teen/early 20's main cast members. And no, I'm not interested in seeing the Original Trilogy cast back either, I'm talking complete overhaul. Kid/Teen/Young Superhero's have never interested me, even when I was a kid myself. Let any younger characters you want to add have small hints during Mansion scenes, let the younger class of X-Men (not the current group, but if you wanted younger characters introduced) have their own Teen Titans type of movie but my main X-Men team would basically be the one from the 90's cartoon, the adult versions of Cyclops, Wolverine, Jean, Storm, Pyslocke, Gambit, Colossus, Beast and Rouge. With a bit less focus on Xavier, though he would definitely still play a part.

While I'm not against Magneto being the main villain again, because he is the best X-Men villain and a character I like alot, I also wouldn't mind if they took a break from the character for 1 movie to give another villain some shine. I'd really like to see Mr. Sinister... and would really like to see them get Sabertooth & Juggernaut right after those extremely underwhelming appearances. Unfortunately they just used and totally botched Apocalypse so I wouldn't use him right away again, despite the fact I'd love to see an actually good portrayal of the character. Mystique definitely needs a break, I liked Rebecca Romijns version of the character but I'm beyond sick of Jennifer Lawrence's version, easily the most overrated actress of this generation. I'd shelf Mystique for a couple movies.

For me it's beyond time to move on from Bryan Singer, he's never given me an X-Men movie I really loved, a couple above average/good ones but nothing that really lived up to the massive potential this franchise has. It's definitely time for some new blood at the helm of this franchise, someone that will embrace the comics/shows & costumes (credit where credit is due, he did finally give them suitable costumes in X-Men: Apocalypse, finally).

In short, I'd ditch the entire X-Men franchise, start with an adult led X-Men team & set it up next to the current Deadpool franchise which was great. I know that sounds crazy with all their dumb timelines shifts & because they just added a new teen cast and doing that would cause even more confusion but as I said, I just don't have much interest in what they're doing now and would like to see a fully formed adult led X-Men team. Just my opinion.

 

[InCali]

Interesting thread. Man, I think they're sort of stuck between a rock and a hard place. I think I'd give my best shot standalones a chance and then try to bring them together while developing new characters. They're in a tough spot. Right now, Marvel is developing a lot of their less well known characters with an eye on the future. From where I'm sitting that seems like Fox's best shot. I don't think a Spidey type deal is in the cards, but who knows?

 

[magneto23]

Yeah but thats all it is, just potential opportunities, but thats more expectation of what they can do rather then what they actually would do, after all bryan and kinberg would likely still have been writing and directing so why would you expect they would have done anything particularly special compared to the apocalypse we got? more X-Men to market? maybe, but thats just as many X-Men to waste.

Yeah I'm doubting how this scenario would have changed Singer's vision of the Apocalypse character. Or Singer's eye for fluid action and end of the world spectacle. And we all know damn well that Jackman's Wolverine would have been front and center here. And you're absolutely right wasted characters would have been inevitable.

 

[henzINNIT]

That is probably true but that is not the point of what i am getting at, in the long run if you want to compare the casts you put them in the exact same scenario or at least a very similar one and then judge on the marketability, you don't do what alot of people do and judge by story potential of what they could do with the OC compared to the apocalypse cast because thats judging on false expectation of film quality

Yup. I see what you're getting at. If the films were exactly the same, you could measure whether a film would benefit at all from cast alone. Using that hypothetical, I'd say the same film would have faired better with the old cast.

Yeah but thats all it is, just potential opportunities, but thats more expectation of what they can do rather then what they actually would do, after all bryan and kinberg would likely still have been writing and directing so why would you expect they would have done anything particularly special compared to the apocalypse we got? more X-Men to market? maybe, but thats just as many X-Men to waste.

its like they could have had a scene where emma frost and banshee are found alive at strykers base and then you could have had them in the story, it would have been a much bigger thing!, but who wants to bet that didn't cross their minds? the jubilee scenes were minor and were mostly cut out even though singer said he really wanted her in it, havok was killed off and taken out of the story, they thought about giving wolverine a bigger role but didn't, the idea wasn't to create a huge event quite clearly

I agree that it's entirely unfair to pit an existing film against a potential one. What film could possibly compare to the dreams of a fanboy?

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

While I don't like it it seems like for immedate the plan by fox is to focus on spin-offs not actual X-Men films

It may benefit the X-Men films to wait a few years before next one with the aging of cast.it defently will be 2019 at earliest before another X-Men film
Is made.possibly even 2020.

I agree

That's the only reason I don't want a reboot.


I wish they'd do a 90's trilogy and flesh out the Blue/Gold Team in the GOAT era

OK so I was thinking over this and I thought how I'd do a 90's trilogy. Ideally having a companion streaming series (Netflix, Hulu, or Amazon etc) to run in-between releases would be best. Similar to the original plan of The Dark Tower with Ron Howard. That wouldn't happen but that would be a great way to flesh out characters who can't get screen time over 3 seasons (8ep each). If the main film series is X-Men: Enter Subtitle Here then the companion streaming series would just be called Uncanny.


But thinking of just the trilogy maybe it be cool to call it a Saga instead. The Human Saga

X-Men '92
X-Men: God Loves, Man Kills
X-Men: Zero Tolerance

The Human Council would be the overarching villains of this saga pulling the strings from the shadow

Now with X-Men '92 you would be telling the fans exactly what to expect with the movie.

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Now I don't want the movie being anything like this comic. But this movie needs to be BRIGHT!

I was also thinking about who I'd like being behind the camera on this flick.

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Producer INO/Consultant Title: Chris Claremont, Eric Lewald, Julia Lewald, Louise Simonson, Laura Shuler, Hutch Parker, & Simon Kinberg

Executive Producer: Victoria Alonso & Jamie Christopher

Co-Director's: Ryan Fleck and Anna Boden
2nd Unit Director's (Action): Darrin Prescott, Mark Cockren, Tarik Ait Ben Ali & Mohamed Essaghir Aabach
Treatment: Cullen Bunn
Co-Writers: Lucy Alibar & Benh Zeitlin (Cullen Bunn Script Doctor/Editor/Advisor)
Cinematographer: Emmanuel Lubezki
Music: Jóhann Jóhannsson
Costume Designer: Judianna Makovsky & Jose Fernandez
Fight Choreographer: Philip J Silvera & James Young

I'll edit in my story details and cast a little later

 

[psylockolussus]

Well I would start with not using Magneto. But I guess the Quicksilver son story arc is not over yet. So eh. Then Mystique, with that ending, it doesn't look like she's done anytime soon.

So, imo just skip to the present with the the roster we saw in Dofp but without Logan and Xavier if they are dead after the Logan movie. Make it all about the X-Men, Cyke and Storm are co leaders, Rogue and Iceman are now veterans, Phoenix can handle the Phoenix Force, Beast is Beast, Colossus and Kitty could be a happy couple, introduce Gambit and a new big bad that we would see in a couple of films. It sounds good to me!