Superman Returns How the new suit might be explained (speculation)

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

To be honest..if you look at WF,the reeve stlye suit just does not work in this time.. it needed updating.

 

[Milkman95]

^Agreed.

For that matter, I hope Nolan updates Bale's batsuit for 2008's sequel.......

 

[dark_b]

^Agreed.

For that matter, I hope Nolan updates Bale's batsuit for 2008's sequel.......

what would you changed? i think it looks perfect.

 

[The Kid]

I think it needs new colors and a better head piece and less power-rangers movie style to the costume.

 

[The Kid]

To be honest..if you look at WF,the reeve stlye suit just does not work in this time.. it needed updating.

Yes he looked rather silly in it for some reason.

I'd have liked to see Routh wear the comic version just once to see what it'd look like on him before deciding it wouldn't work.

My biggest problems are the s on the belt and neckline being such a choaker. I always assumed he needed to appear as if he wasn't wearing a superman costume underneath his shirt and that's why his suit had a wider neckline and was so thin with no 3d shield so that people could bump into him and not feel it.

Found this on google. What do you all think of it? What could make this look better?

 

[Metropolis_Man]

To be honest..if you look at WF,the reeve stlye suit just does not work in this time.. it needed updating.

Thats exactly how I feel. The Reeve suit was definately good for its time, but It definately needed and update, and I really like what Routh's suit looks like.

 

[Shamik]

I remember something about the suit supposedly being Kryptonian battle gear or something. Anyone know anything about this?

 

[Nightwing1977]

Yeah but even Burton changed it from one suit to another suit in both of his Batman movies, and they are direct sequel. And not to start an arguement, but Batman does have a lot of suits in the comics, but Superman only has the one suit. So theoretcailly Batman could have a lot of suits and it be proper with the comics, but Superman only one, even thought he did have a few different suits in some graphics novels, the original canon is only the one suit.

We all basically know it is jsut a different production designer, or the director wanting one.

Wrong!! Some of the Superman's suits wore by different actors are different compare to Reeve. They may look like Superman, but some has little tweak there & there. And you're forgetting that Batman Returns is not really a direct sequel. Sure it has many of the actors back, but that don't mean squat. We never heard about Joker or Vicki Vale did we? And the fact several sites like wikipedia mention it.

 

[Milkman95]

what would you changed? i think it looks perfect.

Yes, it looks good but I'd just do some minor tweaking.

 

[dark_b]

Yes, it looks good but I'd just do some minor tweaking.

minor tweaks are good. i thought you wanted to change everything. i dont like that. plus nolan has the realistic aproach.

 

[StarvingArtist]

Wrong!! Some of the Superman's suits wore by different actors are different compare to Reeve. They may look like Superman, but some has little tweak there & there. And you're forgetting that Batman Returns is not really a direct sequel. Sure it has many of the actors back, but that don't mean squat. We never heard about Joker or Vicki Vale did we? And the fact several sites like wikipedia mention it.

Actually that's not really accurate; Batman returns very much existed as part of the original BATMAN's continuity and could be argued was a direct sequel. All of the actors who played the key roles (Gordon, Bruce, and Alfred) returned, the batmobile design was the same, Batman's overall costume design was barely tweaked, and Vicki Vale IS mentioned as a previous girlfriend during the love scene between Bruce and Selina. Plus, since the relationship between Gordon and Batman was established in the first movie, they already act as if they know each other in Returns.

 

[StarvingArtist]

minor tweaks are good. i thought you wanted to change everything. i dont like that. plus nolan has the realistic aproach.

Personally, I'd be a lot happier with the cowel being a tad more agile, nixing the cape clips and connecting the cowel to the cape, toning down the machine-like look of the body armour, and making the bat emblem and cowel darker or a different gloss then the rest of the suit.

 

[dark_b]

Actually that's not really accurate; Batman returns very much existed as part of the original BATMAN's continuity and could be argued was a direct sequel. All of the actors who played the key roles (Gordon, Bruce, and Alfred) returned, the batmobile design was the same, Batman's overall costume design was barely tweaked, and Vicki Vale IS mentioned as a previous girlfriend during the love scene between Bruce and Selina. Plus, since the relationship between Gordon and Batman was established in the first movie, they already act as if they know each other in Returns.

burton said that it is not a direct sequel. he used teh same actors and some stuff. but he wanted to make something on hes own. he wanted to make a vague sequel.

 

[buggs0268]

Can you post a link to Collora's blog Buggs? I cant find it on his website.

I'll take a look. The link used to be in the "i like the suot" and the "I hate the suit" thread before they were deleted. If you can look by date, it should be a week after the USA first look came out. Ill see if I can find it again

 

[Wushuboy]

To be honest..if you look at WF,the reeve stlye suit just does not work in this time.. it needed updating.

I think the materials used is what needed to be updated.. not the design.

 

[buggs0268]

Wrong!! Some of the Superman's suits wore by different actors are different compare to Reeve. They may look like Superman, but some has little tweak there & there. And you're forgetting that Batman Returns is not really a direct sequel. Sure it has many of the actors back, but that don't mean squat. We never heard about Joker or Vicki Vale did we? And the fact several sites like wikipedia mention it.

The reason for this is because previous to the Donner movies most of the suits you saw were the technology of that day, or because it was a low budget TV show or Broadway play. Same as with Batman. Look at both Batman and Superman's costumes in their screen movies in the 40's. They look the same. Look at the 50's TV series and the 60's Batman TV series. The same. Donner was the first one to actually tell his production designer to make the suit how it actually is in the comics.

And Batman Returns is a direct sequel. It just had a different production designer, but as Startving Artist said below, it was same cast and same back history. Warner's had actually saved the sets from the first movie and they were still up at Pinewood to shoot the sequel. But in an interview in a magazine in the spring of 1992, Burton wanted the sequel to be in the winter, and he didn't want to shoot in England again. I think he said he had a lot more fun shooting in warm weather in the States shooting Edward Scicsor Hands then he did in England shooting Batman. On Returns the crew even had lunchtime volleyball matches in one of the Warner's parking lots. So he shot on stage at the Warner's lot and Warner's (or the Peters Guber company) ate the cost of renting pinewood and leaving the sets up. And because of that, he wanted to do a redisign of Gotham. He also told his costume designer that he wanted the suit to be more art deco, and more like the design of kitchen apliances in the 40's and 50's. That is why Gotham, Wayne Manor, and the suit looks different. They weren't shooting in England. Also, at the time, Burton said that he didn't feel Batman was his movie, and just a movie he was forced to do. Batman Returns was more his Batman movie. He just had more clout to do whatever he wanted on the second one. Which is why he turned down the Sam Hamm script for the sequel and got his own writers. Everything else stayed the same.

Also, Burton wanted to work with Bo Welch, who had just done the production design for Edward Scisors Hands for him. In fact, much of the crew from Edward was transfered over to Batman Returns. I think mainly because there was so little time between finishing Edward and starting Returns, and he didn't want to have to get to know a new crew. he wanted to just jump right in and get started with people whom he knew their work. Most prodcution designers don't want to just redo someone elses work, or they feel they should hire that person again. So Bo created his own Gotham. And Anton Furst killed himself during the making of Returns.

So it is a direct sequel, it just had a different crew working on it and shot in a different place, and therefore had a different look.

 

[buggs0268]

Here is the link to the Sandy Collora blog

http://popcultureshock.com/features.php?id=942

Judging from what I've heard from not only people actually working on the movie, but from the overwhelmingly negative response on the some of the chat boards and forums to the photo, my intial, gut feeling is that most people are not going to buy Brandon Routh as the man of steel and I think the costume has much more to do with it than people think.

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There are also two things that I want to clarify here that really bug me about how this costume is being described in the media:

Firstly, the fact that in the USA Today article, where the picture originally surfaced, it's mentioned that the new Superman is all Routh and not a rubber muscle suit. Well, that is 100% incorrect. What you're looking at is actually a sculpted rubber muscle suit underneath a spandex suit, very similar to what was done in the Spiderman films. In my opinion, Brandon Routh not only has the wrong body type for Superman (his torso is too long), he's not big enough, hence the sculpted rubber muscles.

Secondly, in all the interviews I've read, including the USA Today article, Singer refers to, and describes the costume as being something very "traditional". Well, sorry guys, it's not. To me, the only thing traditional about that costume is the fact that it's blue and red, and they didn't even get that right, as I feel the red is too dark. There's nothing traditional whatsoever about the neckline, which by the way, is "designed" to hide the fact that he's wearing the muscle suit underneath it. The sculpted, three dimensional symbol, the S on the belt, the rubber cape, the silly little S texture (yes, that's what it is) all over the suit and not only the position, but the design of the shorts are in no way, shape or form, traditional.

This all goes to show how studios and filmmakers use the press to create or manufacture solutions to issues or problems that are inherent to their films. Problems that simply should not be there in the first place. They somehow think that if they put things out there in the press early, like "It's all Brandon Routh, no rubber suit here." Or "The costume is very traditional." They'll somehow convince the public that those things are true when they most certainly and obviously aren't.

Don't attack me. That is directly quoted from the article he wrote. I just copied and pasted it here. Go look at if yourself.

 

[Metropolis_Man]

I remember something about the suit supposedly being Kryptonian battle gear or something. Anyone know anything about this?

I do think I remember something like that. It would make sense as to why it never gets messed up.

 

[Venom71]

Here is the link to the Sandy Collora blog

http://popcultureshock.com/features.php?id=942

Judging from what I've heard from not only people actually working on the movie, but from the overwhelmingly negative response on the some of the chat boards and forums to the photo, my intial, gut feeling is that most people are not going to buy Brandon Routh as the man of steel and I think the costume has much more to do with it than people think.

There are also two things that I want to clarify here that really bug me about how this costume is being described in the media:

Firstly, the fact that in the USA Today article, where the picture originally surfaced, it's mentioned that the new Superman is all Routh and not a rubber muscle suit. Well, that is 100% incorrect. What you're looking at is actually a sculpted rubber muscle suit underneath a spandex suit, very similar to what was done in the Spiderman films. In my opinion, Brandon Routh not only has the wrong body type for Superman (his torso is too long), he's not big enough, hence the sculpted rubber muscles.

This all goes to show how studios and filmmakers use the press to create or manufacture solutions to issues or problems that are inherent to their films. Problems that simply should not be there in the first place. They somehow think that if they put things out there in the press early, like "It's all Brandon Routh, no rubber suit here." Or "The costume is very traditional." They'll somehow convince the public that those things are true when they most certainly and obviously aren't.

Collora is a joke and his opinion really doesn't mean anything.

 

[Sverdlovski]

Or "The costume is very traditional." They'll somehow convince the public that those things are true when they most certainly and obviously aren't.

Ugh, the guy's an idiot and full of himself.

 

[buggs0268]

He knew Singer was lying in the USA article about it being all Brandon and no padded suit cause he knows people working on the film. The guy who sculpted the suit has it in his resume on his online site, which we found the same week that this article came out, confirming it. After the find, it disapeared from his resume for a bit (probably at the request of Warner's) then returned later on. Which is why I do not believe much of what Singer says when he talks about his choices for the suit. I believe him like I believe Lucas had a plan for Star Wars.

 

[Metropolis_Man]

Collora is a joke and his opinion really doesn't mean anything.

Exactly. No to be mean, but hes small time and just upset he can't get his non acting muscle brained Superman in the movie.

 

[Venom71]

He knew Singer was lying in the USA article about it being all Brandon and no padded suit cause he knows people working on the film.

So what? The general audience won't know it is there and it is called movie magic...it doesn't really matter that Singer wasn't telling the truth..you just like to complain.

 

[buggs0268]

Again, I am not here to argue. You guys wanted me to find the article. I did. I posted the link to it and quotes.

 

[Pickle-El]

Corolla is another Alex Ross, 'That's not what I would have done.'

Then again, at least Ross has some credibility....