How to combine ult galactus and normal galactus?

[Abaddon]

I wonder how they'll explain Surfer,and possibly Galactus being able to speak English.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

The fact that the design of the Ultimate Gal-Lak-Tus drones and the concept behind them (an artificial intelligence consuming organic energy to sustain it's technology) is far too reminiscient of the Matrix films is reason enough for me to hope they avoid going down that route. Yeah, it worked fine for the Matrix films, but it's been done, so why invite the criticism of ripping off others when you have in place an alternative superior to that idea anyway?

No, I want them to give us Galactus as a cosmic space god, a terrifying force of nature as old as the universe itself. Sure, they can update the armour, but dont change the fundamental original concept of the character to match it's inferior (and derivative of other sources) ultimate counterpart. This mistake was made with Doom in the first movie, I really really hope they dont make it again.

You DO realize the whole "insect robot alien eating humans and dominating them" thing is FAR older than the Matrix, right? At least as far back as the '50's.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

I wonder how they'll explain Surfer,and possibly Galactus being able to speak English.

If they go classic Galactus, then it will be because he's a conceptual being.

If they go Ultimates Gah Lak Tus, they'll go with the "Silver Surfer had been there long enough to decipher all languages, beam them back to Gah Lak Tus (if he even speaks English), and so he knows them too." Seeing how in Ultimates, the Surfer had been there for a long time.

 

[wobbly]

You DO realize the whole "insect robot alien eating humans and dominating them" thing is FAR older than the Matrix, right? At least as far back as the '50's.

And your point is?

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

And your point is?

Then Matrix is a rip off of that, with the whole robot idea. So why would you call Gah Lak Tus a rip off of the Matrix, when the Matrix itself is a rip off of something else? It would make far more sense to say Gah Lak Tus was a rip off of something else that came decades before the Matrix.

 

[celldog]

I wonder how they'll explain Surfer,and possibly Galactus being able to speak English.

They can communicate in all languages of any world they arrive. He's a space god. Is it beyond the possibility that he has "some" level of omniscience??

 

[celldog]

 

[Abaddon]

They can communicate in all languages of any world they arrive. He's a space god. Is it beyond the possibility that he has "some" level of omniscience??

It's interesting but it's a rather large concept to accept, especially in the world established in the movies.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

It's interesting but it's a rather large concept to accept, especially in the world established in the movies.

That's why it would only work as Galactus being a conceptual being. He probably doesn't even really talk, so much as people understand him as talking to them since that's all they can concieve (conceptual!) of Galactus.

 

[wobbly]

Then Matrix is a rip off of that, with the whole robot idea. So why would you call Gah Lak Tus a rip off of the Matrix, when the Matrix itself is a rip off of something else? It would make far more sense to say Gah Lak Tus was a rip off of something else that came decades before the Matrix.

Matrix is the most recent example of the idea on film, and the one you can bet this movies version will be compared to if they go down that route, especially as the design of the gal-lak-tus drones in the books (and that is what Story has hinted he is following) is clearly influenced by those used in the Matrix. Thats why it makes sense: there are specific similarities.

btw- I had thought the point you were getting at was that the whole "insect robot alien eating humans and dominating them" thing predating the matrix as well by decades only emphasises why they shouldn't use it here.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Matrix is the most recent example of the idea on film, and the one you can bet this movies version will be compared to if they go down that route, especially as the design of the gal-lak-tus drones in the books (and that is what Story has hinted he is following) is clearly influenced by those used in the Matrix. Thats why it makes sense: there are specific similarities.

btw- I had thought the point you were getting at was that the whole "insect robot alien eating humans and dominating them" thing predating the matrix as well by decades only emphasises why they shouldn't use it here.

It will only be compared by people who think the Matrix is original. Hopefully people are more educated about their own entertainment than to make such a mistake. Graphics and looks wise? I can only see it getting compared if Gah Lak Tus looks like the squids. lol But they're more or less solid bugs with Galactus hats for butts.


Nah. I actually support the Gah Lak Tus, in movies. A giant Galactus wouldn't translate NEARLY as well as Gah Lak Tus.

Which do I LIKE more? Galactus of course. I'm his biggest fangirl if anything. But I'd rather see a well done movie, than one that just kind of rips it out of nowhere.

 

[Abaddon]

That's why it would only work as Galactus being a conceptual being. He probably doesn't even really talk, so much as people understand him as talking to them since that's all they can concieve (conceptual!) of Galactus.

lol,that'd be quite a leap from the first film. I've no doubt they'll dumb it down.

 

[wobbly]

Thats the angle they should go with: he looks different to each race, his appearance adaping to the collective conciousness of whatever race is in his presence. Would only take one line of exposition from the surfer to cover it too.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

lol,that'd be quite a leap from the first film. I've no doubt they'll dumb it down.

lol It's pretty advanced even for the comics. Most just understand it as that Galactus just merely appears differently to everybody. Galactus is actually much more closely related to a fourth dimensional concept that has sentient thought, with cosmic psionic powers (which would explain his ability to understand any mind no matter what), and since his form can't actually be viewed normally, his cosmic power that links to their minds (allegedly for the point) would automatically adjust for them into the form most likely for them to understand.

 

[Abaddon]

lol It's pretty advanced even for the comics. Most just understand it as that Galactus just merely appears differently to everybody. Galactus is actually much more closely related to a fourth dimensional concept that has sentient thought, with cosmic psionic powers (which would explain his ability to understand any mind no matter what), and since his form can't actually be viewed normally, his cosmic power that links to their minds (allegedly for the point) would automatically adjust for them into the form most likely for them to understand.

Question: How would the Nullifer work on a conceptual being?

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Question: How would the Nullifer work on a conceptual being?

It's actually believed that the nullifier only exists DUE to Galactus, and is a separate concept of Galactus himself. And since the ultimate nullifier could basically remove ANYTHING from the universe, why not an idea, or force of nature? It basically can remove the concept from existance, if one could concieve of it. If one couldn't concieve of it, then they, too, had to perish. That's why using the nullifier on Galactus would always mean someone had to die, since nobody could truly understand Galactus.

 

[wobbly]

It will only be compared by people who think the Matrix is original. Hopefully people are more educated about their own entertainment than to make such a mistake. Graphics and looks wise? I can only see it getting compared if Gah Lak Tus looks like the squids. lol But they're more or less solid bugs with Galactus hats for butts.

I disagree. Those front eyes (a rather distinctive feature) are as direct a lift as you can get:

Nah. I actually support the Gah Lak Tus, in movies. A giant Galactus wouldn't translate NEARLY as well as Gah Lak Tus.

Which do I LIKE more? Galactus of course. I'm his biggest fangirl if anything. But I'd rather see a well done movie, than one that just kind of rips it out of nowhere.

Well, agree to disagree time. I think the original concept is the best, can work damn well if handled right, and the one I'd personally rather see.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

I disagree. Those front eyes (a rather distinctive feature) are as direct a lift as you can get:

Well, agree to disagree time. I think the original concept is the best, can work damn well if handled right, and the one I'd personally rather see.

I'll agree the eye thing is a rip off in the comics. They'll probably have something similar to that in the movies too if so.

But I couldn't really see myself enjoying a hack of a crappy CG composed Galactus that'll probably really only be twenty feet tall or something. And probably without the helmet.

 

[celldog]

It's interesting but it's a rather large concept to accept, especially in the world established in the movies.

How is that all of a sudden a reach? StarTrek has everyone communicating in the same language. I haven't seen an episode wher they beam down to a new planet and could talk to the natives.

If Spock And Kirk can do it, why not Galactus??

Methinks you are looking for a reason not to do this.

 

[celldog]

I disagree. Those front eyes (a rather distinctive feature) are as direct a lift as you can get:

Well, agree to disagree time. I think the original concept is the best, can work damn well if handled right, and the one I'd personally rather see.

Wow....this is a Matrix rip off!!

 

[November Rain]

I wonder how they'll explain Surfer,and possibly Galactus being able to speak English.

most likely telapathy. they won't actually be speaking english to one another but they will believe to do so...

just as every race believes to know what galactus looks like but they all seem him differently.


either that or the surfer can scan the mind of lil boy and gather all the relevant information requied for basic communication.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Lets not forget Galactus is a being of unimaginable power...for him to communicate in any language should not even be an issue...this is a guy who can have a conversation with Eternity in the comics.

I hate the idea of Gah Lak Tus...I think it was a very bad idea from the writers who came up with it. It actually makes me think of the Borg in Star Trek the way it is described. And the whole concept of the Silver Surfer makes no sense of me if we are talking about an armada of ships (like they could not split up to search the galaxy).

 

[Abaddon]

How is that all of a sudden a reach? StarTrek has everyone communicating in the same language. I haven't seen an episode wher they beam down to a new planet and could talk to the natives.

If Spock And Kirk can do it, why not Galactus??

Methinks you are looking for a reason not to do this.

Thinking back I don't even remember having quoted you. Not to say I didn't, I just don't remember.

But yes,it could work if he's a conceptual being,though I don't think the movies intend to go into that kind of depth. But as a powerful god with telepathy and an array of otherworldly abilities, it works just as well if not better. Except that they actually have to win.

Star Trek should've come up with Babel fish or something.

 

[wobbly]

Star Trek should've come up with Babel fish or something.

They did. They called it a 'universal translator' (it was built into their communicators in the original series and the little badges for the later spin-offs)*

In the comics Reed also made a device by the same name (he couldn't get it to work in one issue because the alien he wanted to talk to was effectively drunk).

*one series (among many) that has never bothered to even try and explain why it's aliens all somehow speak english is Stargate.

 

[Abaddon]

hmm, good to know.