How violent should this film be?

[Dark Raven]

In all the classic martial arts films, they're actually pretty violent. The final fights are often very brutal and people use all manner of deadly weapons. People are killed with swords, knives, nunchakus, spears, or even with one's bare hands, and there's plenty of blood. Also, people break each other's necks or kill in all kinds of violent ways.

Even in Bruce Lee films, he often gets quite bloody - eg in Enter the Dragon, he has the famous claw marks on his body from Mr Han's Wolverine-like claw.

Since this will be a Disney film, is it going to end up rather sanitised? And can it still work as a truly classic Kung Fu film if the violence is very toned down and they don't use these classic weapons?

Will they even use nunchakus? Before, these scenes in Bruce Lee films were always cut by the censors because it is considered an offensive weapon and they don't want to encourage people to start using them.

 

[Silvermoth]

That’s a good question, honestly I have no idea. I mean, I always love precision shots like bones cracking and hitting just the right spot but it’s not really marvel’s fortè. Maybe something like that Jackie chan cartoon series a few decades back?

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

At a minimum, I think about as violent as anything in The Winter Soldier.

 

[Mike Murdock]

It should be PG-13 level violence. There's no reason to think otherwise.

 

[Silvermoth]

Yeah so like, Kung fu panda level haha

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Here's a clip from Ong Bak that kinda encapsulates How I think it should probably go and what's probably too far for Disney/Marvel.

The first part with the entrance into the cave up to the fight against all the guys is probably what they'll go for but once the guy starts swinging the saw and the sidekick gets his arm broken, that's too far.

 

[Yowza]

Overall, I think it should be on par with Daredevil. Afterall, shortly after the cancellation was when news on this movie resurfaced. Therefore, it's taking over as well as representing where Iron Fist couldn't at least as far as the naysayers see it. Me, I just want want a movie that the studio is committed to doing the right way! Entertaining and something to kind of fill the void that Daredevil left behind.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Therefore, it's taking over as well as representing where Iron Fist couldn't at least as far as the naysayers see it.

 

[Yowza]

You are a good poster but seem to get triggered by some of my posts which are actually pretty tame for the most part.

A lot of the comic related news stories citing people not liking the casting of Iron Fist will appreciate Marvel is trying to adapt an Asian character on film I think you very well know and are trying to get me to say something stereotypical or closed minded (which I'm not by the way).

The news of this film being adapted followed shortly after the cancellation of Daredevil and realization that the Netflix shows are essentially going to all be cancelled by Netflix. A lot of the current films in theaters don't really employ a ground level non-cosmic based fighting style so this in a way is taking some of the stuff we've seen on the small screen transferring it to the big screen.

 

[imbruglia]

enough to get PG 13.

 

[JimThompson]

I am wondering; do we mean violent or do we mean bloody? People seem to be able to tolerate a lot of violence if there is no blood shown.

 

[Dark Raven]

I am wondering; do we mean violent or do we mean bloody? People seem to be able to tolerate a lot of violence if there is no blood shown.

Well even if there wasn't blood shown, some of the old martial arts movies have swords plunging through people's bodies (eg their heads). And they use weapons that are considered deadly. Or people's necks get broken or all other kinds of injuries. They looked more than just the usual fantasy violence.

 

[JimThompson]

Well even if there wasn't blood shown, some of the old martial arts movies have swords plunging through people's bodies (eg their heads). And they use weapons that are considered deadly. Or people's necks get broken or all other kinds of injuries. They looked more than just the usual fantasy violence.

Could be. Enter the Dragon got an R rating, but I would imagine that was more for the nudity than the violence.

 

[Dark Raven]

Could be. Enter the Dragon got an R rating, but I would imagine that was more for the nudity than the violence.

It was actually for the violence as well. Bruce Lee used a nunchaku in that. Now you might wonder what's the big deal. Well, that is considered an offensive weapon, and back in the 1970s, scenes in Enter the Dragon and other Bruce Lee films involving nunchakus were often censored completely, even on VHS rentals. It was thought that the use of them would influence viewers to use them as well.

In the UK, possession of a nunchaku is illegal. You can't even carry anything resembling a nunchaku, even if it is a toy, because it would be like mistaking a toy gun for a real gun.

And in Enter the Dragon there were many other scenes of violence (eg a dead body strung up, necks being broken, Mr Han being kicked through a spear in the hall of mirrors etc).

 

[Melpardus]

I mean, Marvel's been pretty violent and decently bloody in at least its more recent films. Ragnarok had Hela just plunging knives of various sizes into characters all over the place and cutting out Thor's eye (and they showed the wound up close a couple times). Black Panther had T'Challa getting stabbed and sliced up during the coronation fights (especially by Killmonger's spear blade), then that same weapon goes on to cut open a Dora Milaje's throat (granted, bloodless) before ultimately getting plunged into Killmonger's sternum, all onscreen. Infinity War has both Vision and Corvus Glaive getting stabbed completely through the torso multiple times throughout the film, and then Endgame features Hawkeye/Ronin cutting a guy's throat open with a sword (with blood this time), plus the pseudo-jumpscare beheading of Thanos within the first fifteen minutes of the film. Point being, I feel like Shang Chi can get pretty violent if it wants to while still keeping a PG-13 rating.

 

[Pink Ranger]

As much as they can show without showing blood. Leaning more towards Jackie Chan than The Raid.

 

[Temur]

It has The Mandarin in it. It should be brutal.

 

[Iceman]

I don’t think the brutality and blood is what makes the old martial arts films classics. You want skills and top choreography that make it look like a real fight. Whether you see the blood or hear the bones crack makes little difference to me.

 

[psylockolussus]

Pg13 violence as always.

 

[Dark Raven]

As much as they can show without showing blood. Leaning more towards Jackie Chan than The Raid.

I'm thinking since they hired Simu Liu who is a comedian, he will probably be more Jackie Chan than Bruce Lee.

 

[imbruglia]

it will be pg13. especially considering china.
and many recent pg13 movies has quite hardcore scenes.. just without blood and close look.

 

[spider-neil]

You don't need blood to make kick-arse action. Some of my favorite fight scenes of all time don't have a single drop of blood.
However, for something like Blade the metaphor IS blood, I don't see how you can remove it.

Long story short, I think you have effective action in Shang Chi with no blood but I have no idea how you can do that for Blade.

 

[Lilbaz]

In all the classic martial arts films, they're actually pretty violent. The final fights are often very brutal and people use all manner of deadly weapons. People are killed with swords, knives, nunchakus, spears, or even with one's bare hands, and there's plenty of blood. Also, people break each other's necks or kill in all kinds of violent ways.

Even in Bruce Lee films, he often gets quite bloody - eg in Enter the Dragon, he has the famous claw marks on his body from Mr Han's Wolverine-like claw.

Since this will be a Disney film, is it going to end up rather sanitised? And can it still work as a truly classic Kung Fu film if the violence is very toned down and they don't use these classic weapons?

Will they even use nunchakus? Before, these scenes in Bruce Lee films were always cut by the censors because it is considered an offensive weapon and they don't want to encourage people to start using them.

The violence doesn't need to be toned down just the blood and gore.

 

[Lilbaz]

It was actually for the violence as well. Bruce Lee used a nunchaku in that. Now you might wonder what's the big deal. Well, that is considered an offensive weapon, and back in the 1970s, scenes in Enter the Dragon and other Bruce Lee films involving nunchakus were often censored completely, even on VHS rentals. It was thought that the use of them would influence viewers to use them as well.

In the UK, possession of a nunchaku is illegal. You can't even carry anything resembling a nunchaku, even if it is a toy, because it would be like mistaking a toy gun for a real gun.

And in Enter the Dragon there were many other scenes of violence (eg a dead body strung up, necks being broken, Mr Han being kicked through a spear in the hall of mirrors etc).

American and british censorship is different. The uk are a lot tougher on violence and the us is a lot tougher on nudity and sex. Don't know if it's a religious thing but a lot of americans don't like sex scenes in films but wont bat an eye at a man having his tounge torn out.