Justice League How would you feel about John Stewart amd Wally West instead of Hal and Barry?

[Sun_Down]

It doesn't matter how many times you can cite quality and examples from other franchises. If WB/DC is serious about establishing the DCU, then it's the founders who will be introduced, not the successors. WB/DC isn't seeking to waste years of marketing for nothing. From the New 52 to the animated Green Lantern show, WB/DC is tying all together to get the audience aware of characters like Hal Jordan.

You honestly think it was all a coincidence? They're trying to create awareness, and boost sales. DCE is going above and beyond nowadays to introduce these heroes on TV, Humanitarian Projects, Product Placements, etc.

Fans like yourself and brainchild haven't come to grips with this. Your only line of defense is that Hal Jordan's name isn't on par with Bruce Wayne's yet. Point? WB/DC wants it to be. Why? He's been at the center of it all in the Green Lantern mythos.

So I ask again, why would WB/DC spend years of marketing on Hal only to drop him during the most instrumental times? Better yet, why would WB/DC rewrite history for Stewart when Jordan is available?

Nobody but us knows or cares about who established the Justice League in the comics. The vast majority of the audience will NOT read New 52 or watch the cartoon; those things appeal to a relatively small portion of the population- much smaller than the target audience of a major motion picture. Most people will just see a trailer for Justice League and say, "Cool, I like superheroes."

The idea that New 52 and the new cartoon have been designed mostly to promote Hal Jordan's - or any other character's popularity, is without evidence. These things are all revenue streams in different mediums. They exist first and foremost to make money, not to be a gateway to works in other mediums.

Your argument is essentially this: "Since Hal is in these two other DC products, DC must be trying to build his popularity for a JL movie and solo franchise." I just see no proof that this is what they're principally planning. Might it be an incidental benefit? Sure. But it's not definitive proof that Hal will be the GL in JL.

Do I think it's a "coincidence"? To a degree, yes. Again, if they're "building awareness" of Hal thru comics and cartoons, they're not really doing anything. The consumers of those mediums already know who he is. They're not building awareness of anything with regard to the vast majority of the GA.

And if you wanna play the "they've been promoting Hal" card, then you have to acknowledge the Ryan Reynolds movie, which was a flop. Do you think they really want to associate JL with that?

As for rewriting history, they do it all the time. It's 2012, campers, 2012.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Nobody but us knows or cares about who established the Justice League in the comics. The vast majority of the audience will NOT read New 52 or watch the cartoon; those things appeal to a relatively small portion of the population- much smaller than the target audience of a major motion picture. Most people will just see a trailer for Justice League and say, "Cool, I like superheroes."

Again, that's what WB/DC are trying to avoid this time around. They want the public to be informed about characters such as Hal Jordan, Barry Allen and J'onn J'onzz. How do they start? By targeting the younger demographic on cartoons and toys. Marvel Studios/Disney are implementing the identical strategy for their Avengers.

Both companies are targeting kids for the near future. They want them to be associated with Tony Stark, Hal Jordan, Thor, Barry Allen, and Oliver Queen just as we grew up with Bruce Wayne, Clark Kent, Peter Parker, and Jean Grey.

Note: The live-action film, animated series and New 52 weren't the beginning to the Hal Jordan promotion. It stretches back years.

The idea that New 52 and the new cartoon have been designed mostly to promote Hal Jordan's - or any other character's popularity, is without evidence. These things are all revenue streams in different mediums. They exist first and foremost to make money, not to be a gateway to works in other mediums.

Then you're short-sighted if you believe that the marketing around Hal Jordan is not a piece of something bigger, and simply is a coincidence.

Your argument is essentially this: "Since Hal is in these two other DC products, DC must be trying to build his popularity for a JL movie and solo franchise." I just see no proof that this is what they're principally planning. Might it be an incidental benefit? Sure. But it's not definitive proof that Hal will be the GL in JL.

Considering that Hal is featured in the JL script and in his own solo film, WB/DC have been pushing Hal's image for years. This isn't accidental. There are no coincidences in business. If you want to ignore it, that's fine, but DCE executives aren't aimlessly throwing these characters without a purpose.

Do I think it's a "coincidence"? To a degree, yes. Again, if they're "building awareness" of Hal thru comics and cartoons, they're not really doing anything. The consumers of those mediums already know who he is. They're not building awareness of anything with regard to the vast majority of the GA.

It'd be impossible to get the vast majority interested and aware at this endeavor (until JL hits the big screen) but the older demographics are not the endgame. They're investing in the children.

And if you wanna play the "they've been promoting Hal" card, then you have to acknowledge the Ryan Reynolds movie, which was a flop. Do you think they really want to associate JL with that?

Why does that matter? This isn't a Green Lantern movie. Green Lantern's failures won't affect Justice League's Box Office earnings in any way. Why would it?

As for rewriting history, they do it all the time. It's 2012, campers, 2012.

They could, but they didn't.

 

[flash13]

I'd rather have Wally but I'd be ok with Barry.

 

[Sun_Down]

Why does that matter? This isn't a Green Lantern movie. Green Lantern's failures won't affect Justice League's Box Office earnings in any way. Why would it?

Um, you just kinda proved my point. If Green Lantern (2011) - a movie that was seen my millions more people than read comics or watch cartoons - won't negatively affect JL's earnings, then how exactly will those same comics and cartoons positively effect JL's gross?

 

[brainchild81]

It doesn't matter how many times you can cite quality and examples from other franchises. If WB/DC is serious about establishing the DCU, then it's the founders who will be introduced, not the successors. WB/DC isn't seeking to waste years of marketing for nothing. From the New 52 to the animated Green Lantern show, WB/DC is tying all together to get the audience aware of characters like Hal Jordan.

You honestly think it was all a coincidence? They're trying to create awareness, and boost sales. DCE is going above and beyond nowadays to introduce these heroes on TV, Humanitarian Projects, Product Placements, etc.

Fans like yourself and brainchild haven't come to grips with this. Your only line of defense is that Hal Jordan's name isn't on par with Bruce Wayne's yet. Point? WB/DC wants it to be. Why? He's been at the center of it all in the Green Lantern mythos.

So I ask again, why would WB/DC spend years of marketing on Hal only to drop him during the most instrumental times? Better yet, why would WB/DC rewrite history for Stewart when Jordan is available?

GLTAS will be looong gone &likely forgotten by the time any plans come into fruition. I think it was intended to bridge the gap between GL movies, but that gap has grown larger & possibly infinite due to Hal's failure. I never disagreed about WB liking Hal more. We agree on that 100%. They want Hal on par w/Bats? Then all of this has been a waste. Hal will NEVER be on par w/him no matter how much more money they waste promoting him. He won't even get close. No GL will, especially not after Hal's very expensive failure. That's a pipe dream that they need to abandon right now. I've already stated my thoughts on how WB should move on at this point. If they use Hal on JL, the other characters can probably carry the movie. If they're crazy enough to use Hal for a solo movie again, don't be surprised if they get the same results. Hal himself is not interesting IMO. Marine>>test pilot any day of the week. Hal's rogues gallery ain't that great to begin with, especially not to the GA. Sinestro's pretty much it and you can give John a reason to fight him. Is the GA really gonna get excited about Hal v. Star Sapphire? As I've said b4, GL's concept in general might not click w/the GA. I think you increase the odds of success w/a GL that wasn't in a flop & doesn't wear a mask. Hal isn't an important enough character for his omission to upset the GA.

 

[DaveMoral]

John Stewart would be a bigger flop in a solo film. Believe it. He barely had stories to himself in JL/JLU, most of the time he was a supporting character to Bats, Supes, and WW.

 

[Sun_Down]

Hal's rogues gallery ain't that great to begin with, especially not to the GA. Sinestro's pretty much it and you can give John a reason to fight him. Is the GA really gonna get excited about Hal v. Star Sapphire? As I've said b4, GL's concept in general might not click w/the GA. I think you increase the odds of success w/a GL that wasn't in a flop & doesn't wear a mask. Hal isn't an important enough character for his omission to upset the GA.

So much truth. No reason John can't fight Sinestro; actually a lot of reasons he could. The two bolded parts are so great: nobody outside the geek universe cares one bit about Hal Jordan. You think the average 18-34 year old male is going to see a trailer and say, "No Hal Jordan?! No $12 from me, WB! That's not accurate with the comics!"

 

[Changeling]

Why does that matter? This isn't a Green Lantern movie. Green Lantern's failures won't affect Justice League's Box Office earnings in any way. Why would it?



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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH maybe JUST MAYBE because Green Lantern is going to be in Justice League? If a main character in Justice League has a horrible flarping movie out, people that saw green lantern will think "oh I saw Green Lantern and it sucked, and now hes returning in a Justice League movie, so that movie will suck too, because its associated with that sucktastic film"

 

[BH/HHH]

John Stewart would be a bigger flop in a solo film. Believe it. He barely had stories to himself in JL/JLU, most of the time he was a supporting character to Bats, Supes, and WW.

I agree, John Stewart wouldn't work as a solo star he could work with other GL's but not on his own.

 

[Changeling]

I agree, John Stewart wouldn't work as a solo star he could work with other GL's but not on his own.

He doesnt have compelling story lines, no connections to his villains, no villains of his own. etc; he basically isnt made for a solo film unless they drastically changed his history

 

[DaveMoral]

I agree, John Stewart wouldn't work as a solo star he could work with other GL's but not on his own.

I really think what is most likely to happen is this: Hal is recast for JL. JL smashes box office records and goes head-to-head with Avengers 2 and they both do great. Next up, we see a new Batman(though that might come before), MOS2, The Flash, WW, then new GL. In that we get Emerald Dawn 2, basically, with Hal discovering Sinestro's tyranny on Korugar.

If they do the casting right with JL, then Hal will be realized finally. And a new solo GL movie with Hal and Sinestro as close friends and then bitter enemies will be a smash. Ends with Sinestro building his Corps. The next installment is where John is introduced as reinforcements for Earth since Sinestro's ire leads him to Earth and Hal.

 

[Arach Knight]

He doesnt have compelling story lines, no connections to his villains, no villains of his own. etc; he basically isnt made for a solo film unless they drastically changed his history

John doesn't need them. To begin with, the average person has a passing familiarity with Green Lantern, likely stemming from Super Friends more than anything. Hal's rogues gallery and story are irrelevant. No one lined up to see the Ryan Reynolds vehicle, stating things like "I reall hope this film features Time Commander and Dr. Polaris!"

Hal's only noteable foes are Hammond, Sinestro and Star Sapphire (I count Mongul as a Superman rogue). The point being, the film makers have more freedom with a fharacter like GL, because he is a lesser known. They can create plots and villains and change relationships all while pissing off very few people, so long as the plot is strong and the flow pf the film cohesive.

Lastly, Justice League Unlimited was very popular. I'd wager dollars to pecos that most young people and superhero enthusiasts (read: people who like the characters but don't read comics) are ore familiar with John than Hal.

 

[Marvin]

They need to go with what works not what's in the order of the books. For example, team ups such as these need to at least have one girl and one racial minority for pr's sake. Marvel had the ace up their sleeve of a black nick fury.

Now according to 616, the White fury came first, but what does that matter in the face of the current needs of the film.

I say this cause JLU used the black green lantern for this very reason. And after GL's performance WB has every excuse to pull out Jon Stewart.

 

[DaveMoral]

But they won't, because he's really not as interesting in the dynamic. And with them having some kind of hope to do solo movies spinning out of JL... John Stewart is not their man. Hal is. And the GL rogues gallery has exploded in recent years. I would bet for a War of Light being the goal long before any of the more Earth-bound rogues.

 

[Marvin]

outside of Cyborg(ugh), I just don't think the execs have any other obvious choices for this particular issue. If GL was an Ironman/RDJ caliber hit it would be slightly different.

Just saying. They need a black character, this is hollywood.

 

[DaveMoral]

I'd bet for Cyborg. He's part of the founding members of JL now. If not him, Martian Manhunter's human form will be black.

 

[cleverusername8]

I'd bet for Cyborg. He's part of the founding members of JL now. If not him, Martian Manhunter's human form will be black.

I'd be good with the Martian Manhunter thing. I REALLY liked how they portrayed him in Smallville. It's extremely unlikely they'd be able to get that actor back to act in a film series but they could model the performance on that and it'd be great!

But I'm seeing where people are coming from with the whole John in a solo movie dilemma. In my opinion, you guys are right. He probably wouldn't carry a solo movie much less a series of them. And that'll probably be in WB's plan to spin of a GL solo movie series complete with sequels and John would be a tough sell on that :/ But if the JL movies will be standalone, he'd be fair game the way I see it.

 

[Arach Knight]

I'd be good with the Martian Manhunter thing. I REALLY liked how they portrayed him in Smallville. It's extremely unlikely they'd be able to get that actor back to act in a film series but they could model the performance on that and it'd be great!

You do inow that even in the comics, J'onn's alter ego has been Black? He once took Bloodwynd's place (also Black).

 

[The Guard]

I thought J'onn WAS Bloodwynd...

 

[DaveMoral]

I don't know if it's any indication at all, bit J'onn J'onzz's human identity John Jones in Young Justice continuity is apparently black. At least in the tie-in comic.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

It all comes down to execution.

If I told you in 1997, Blade solo movies would out gross every future Punisher movie by a wide margin I would've been laughed out of the comic book store.

So yes, if executed well a John Stewart solo movie could outgross the Ryan Reynolds fiasco.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

And you need one cocky, swarmy guy on the team.

Either Wally or Hal but not both.

 

[Bruce Malone]

If i was a gambling man i would bet right now that john stewart will be used instead of hal jordan. As for character personality i could easily see them giving john a more "exciting" persona if need be.

Nothing is set in stone with that regard and from what i understand the loki in the avengers had a pretty different personality from comic loki.

 

[DaveMoral]

If they use Hal, which they most likely are, then the Flash will be Barry.

 

[Arach Knight]

I thought J'onn WAS Bloodwynd...

No. Bloodwynd is every descendant of a line of slaves that were under a cruel master named Jacob Whitney. Essentially, the slaves performed a ritual to create a gem that would grant the bearer great power. The slaves slew Whitney whose spirit became trapped in the stone and eventually channeled the spirit of a demon named Rot. Said demon trapped the current gem wearer and then mind controlled Mrtian Manhunter into wearing the stone. The false Bloodwynd's cover was blown during the Death of Superman when Bloodwynd caught on fire during the fight.