Justice League How would you feel about John Stewart amd Wally West instead of Hal and Barry?

[Micromind]

I want to see something like this in JL movie -

Since Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman will be mostly serious, business-like heroes, there is a need for characters who are light hearted and playful.

Now, Wally West is one such character, who can be humorous and say one liners, other is Hal Jordan.

Barry and John are both somewhat serious characters , so this combination sounds right -

Barry and Hal Jordan

OR

Wally West and John Stewart.

Disastrous combination would be (IMO.)

John Stewart and Barry Allen. (Both serious types with other serious heroes would get boring quickly.)

OR

Wally West and Hal Jordan (both saying funny one liners could prove too much for the audience)

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

Is Barry Allen serious? From what I've read he's really lighthearted

 

[Micromind]

Is Barry Allen serious? From what I've read he's really lighthearted

I have seen Barry in the animated DVD JL:The New Frontier, he was serious in that one and in comics he is Forensic Expert working for Police in Keystone City.

So, I think that he is more serious type than Wally West.

 

[shauner111]

I remember Barry having a good sense of humor. This is not the comics, a few things can be changed. Stewart could be more serious than Hal but lighter than the comics. Barry can still be the one getting the most laughs from the team.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

I remember Barry having a good sense of humor. This is not the comics, a few things can be changed. Stewart could be more serious than Hal but lighter than the comics. Barry can still be the one getting the most laughs from the team.

Agreed.

Remember, Tony Stark in the comics was nowhere near as comical as Downey made him in the movies.

Anyways, from what I've read he's like kind of like Clark, just your average, raised-right kind of guy, but with less weight on his shoulders and less on his mind, and thus less serious.

In an ideal world I'd want Barry and Hal. There's plenty of seriousness coming from Bruce and Clark. Hal and Barry can be the lighthearted buddy cops. Barry is more the everyman, while Hal is more cocky.

 

[Micromind]

Even though DC Entertainment has little influence over the live action DC movies, still they can put pressure on the movie producers to do something they want.

Now, Geoff Johns likes both Hal Jordan and Barry Allen, more than John Stewart and Wally West.


So, Geoff Johns will certainly want at least One of his favorites to be included in JL team, (or maybe both.)

I am thinking that (John Stewart and Wally West) combination has little chance of going to big screen.

If John Stewart is the new GL, then most probably we will get Barry Allen as Flash, which would be boring unless they give Barry Allen - Wally West personality.

OR

Hal and Barry.

OR, Hal and Wally.

 

[Zionite1]

Even though DC Entertainment has little influence over the live action DC movies, still they can put pressure on the movie producers to do something they want.

Now, Geoff Johns likes both Hal Jordan and Barry Allen, more than John Stewart and Wally West.


So, Geoff Johns will certainly want at least One of his favorites to be included in JL team, (or maybe both.)

I am thinking that (John Stewart and Wally West) combination has little chance of going to big screen.

If John Stewart is the new GL, then most probably we will get Barry Allen as Flash, which would be boring unless they give Barry Allen - Wally West personality.

OR

Hal and Barry.

OR, Hal and Wally.

I think Geoff Johns lost a lot of clout with WB after Green lantern.WB will listen only to the Nolan Group.

I think Barry can be made light quite easily-I ve often found something spidermanly about him and his history.

 

[shauner111]

Agreed.

Remember, Tony Stark in the comics was nowhere near as comical as Downey made him in the movies.

Anyways, from what I've read he's like kind of like Clark, just your average, raised-right kind of guy, but with less weight on his shoulders and less on his mind, and thus less serious.

In an ideal world I'd want Barry and Hal. There's plenty of seriousness coming from Bruce and Clark. Hal and Barry can be the lighthearted buddy cops. Barry is more the everyman, while Hal is more cocky.

Absolutely!

But if Barry is in this with John, ill bet anything that Barry will be the comic relief of the group. Even though he'll be serious in battle.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Is Barry Allen serious? From what I've read he's really lighthearted

In short for the three "scarlet speedsters" and their "emerald guardian":

Barry took a serious approach to being a superhero (as well as a mentor to Wally), but he enjoys every second of his job in getting to help people.

In his incarnation of the League, he is very much the "normal" guy, he had a similar upbringing to Clark, similar job (detective) to Bruce and J'onn, and became more immature when partnered with his best friend and "buddy cop" Hal Jordan.

Wally thought being Flash was ridiculous when he inherited his uncles uniform and built up a sarcastic repertoire with the Rogues.

In Wally's "big 7" version of the League he took on the role of his uncle before him, but with different ways to relate which was primarily through family. He had built up a begrudging respect with Kyle as Green Lantern, though they had a friction-filled relationship.

Bart is immature and made inappropriate jokes, which befit his younger age, but inside was being crushed by the huge responsibility.

Never got to be a member of the JL as Flash, but was essentially Flash in the DCAU. His immature personality worked well with John's stern rigorously militaristic demeanour.

Most people will be familiar with Bart's characteristics as from JL onwards The Flash of the DCAU was Bart Allen's personality inside Wally West's body with Barry Allen's history.

 

[Kevin Smith]

John Stewart and Barry Allen. (Both serious types with other serious heroes would get boring quickly.)

OR

Wally West and Hal Jordan (both saying funny one liners could prove too much for the audience)

I really hate that people say this about Barry Allen. The ones that say this don't know the character at all. First of all, The Flash, in all his incarnations, has ALWAYS been a "lighthearted down-to-earth semi-funny guy who runs fast", in short. John Stewart did have a sense of humor on JL/JLU, but it wasn't wisecracking.

Barry Allen is one of the most lighthearted characters in comics and has a great sense of humor. He just isn't a dummy. He's also the most "everyman" of the DC characters, always has been.

One example of Barry in an old school comic:

The Flash in JL/JLU was going to be Impulse at first because they were pitching the show to Kids WB and WB likes young characters featured prominently in their shows (Robin was also in it). When Cartoon Network picked the show up they just changed Impulse to Flash but kept that basic personality.

I am sick of people who don't know anything about The Flash acting like the JL/JLU Flash is The Flash because that's all they know. My frustration with it is the equivalent of a Batman fan's when people used to insist that Batman was the campy tv show character.

 

[Kevin Smith]

Bart is immature and made inappropriate jokes, which befit his younger age, but inside was being crushed by the huge responsibility.

Never got to be a member of the JL as Flash, but was essentially Flash in the DCAU. His immature personality worked well with John's stern rigorously militaristic demeanour.

Most people will be familiar with Bart's characteristics as from JL onwards The Flash of the DCAU was Bart Allen's personality inside Wally West's body with Barry Allen's history.

Exactly. I am happy somebody gets this! Lol t:

 

[shauner111]

I'm baffled that people think Barry Allen is mr. serious. He is more serious and mature than Wally West, but he's the Flash! He'll probably be the funniest character in the new movie. Even if they make his suit more modern and bad-ass.

 

[Kevin Smith]

Absolutely!

But if Barry is in this with John, ill bet anything that Barry will be the comic relief of the group. Even though he'll be serious in battle.

Right on. For sure. And without making the character dumb or into a complete joke, I say they go with that.

Even on JL/JLU, how much more did people like it when The Flash started to do smart and cool things with his powers, more so than just making jokes? The episode where the League fights the Justice Lord and Flash speeds up his heart to trick Batman and locks him in his prison is a fine example of that. Flash ripping the Brainiac circuitry out of Luthor is another. I think people would go crazy over **** like that in a movie, if they had Flash doing more things like that on the JL/JLU show I have no doubt that that character could carry his own show. The Flash was the most popular character on the show with kids to begin with, it always bugs me that they didn't let him do more than they did.

But you get both of those things with Barry Allen, I say do him like that. Good sense of humor, but a SMART sense of humor, not dumb, and have him do cool/smart things with his powers like those examples up there. He wasn't bad on Young Justice either (but the show on the whole was nowhere near as good as the Timm DCAU, IMO).

 

[Kevin Smith]

I'm baffled that people think Barry Allen is mr. serious. He is more serious and mature than Wally West, but he's the Flash! He'll probably be the funniest character in the new movie. Even if they make his suit more modern and bad-ass.

Absolutely! t:

I do hope they will keep his red and gold suit though. With the boots. And the white circle behind the lightning. I REALLY don't want to see armor. Even a chin strap is pushing it. I think his suit is one of the best designed of all time (which is why its been changed so little in the comics) and it would really suck if they completely redesigned it. Redesigns, IMO, can only go downhill as far as The Flash's costume goes.

An origin movie could show Barry designing it, but they don't have to even touch on that in JL, or if they do, it can be verbally and just left at that.

 

[brainchild81]

I think Geoff Johns lost a lot of clout with WB after Green lantern.WB will listen only to the Nolan Group.

Agreed. Johns & Didio, like many Hal fans, greatly overestimate Hal's potential for mainstream popularity. WB should take them out of the equation after that horrible failure

 

[Project862006]

hal has great mainstream potential from his personality,villains,his allies,love interest,gl training,back story of fear,etc. the script was just terrible

he was just done badly chris pine's kirk is what hal should of been like

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

Right on. For sure. And without making the character dumb or into a complete joke, I say they go with that.

Even on JL/JLU, how much more did people like it when The Flash started to do smart and cool things with his powers, more so than just making jokes? The episode where the League fights the Justice Lord and Flash speeds up his heart to trick Batman and locks him in his prison is a fine example of that. Flash ripping the Brainiac circuitry out of Luthor is another. I think people would go crazy over **** like that in a movie, if they had Flash doing more things like that on the JL/JLU show I have no doubt that that character could carry his own show. The Flash was the most popular character on the show with kids to begin with, it always bugs me that they didn't let him do more than they did.

But you get both of those things with Barry Allen, I say do him like that. Good sense of humor, but a SMART sense of humor, not dumb, and have him do cool/smart things with his powers like those examples up there. He wasn't bad on Young Justice either (but the show on the whole was nowhere near as good as the Timm DCAU, IMO).

I saw that episode on youtube yesterday. Such a cool moment for Flash. Speeding up his heartbeat so it looked like it flat lined was impressive, and you can tell Batman was impressed to even if he didn't outright say it.

 

[Kevin Smith]

Agreed. Johns & Didio, like many Hal fans, greatly overestimate Hal's potential for mainstream popularity. WB should take them out of the equation after that horrible failure

I don't think that was the issue. I think they just made a bad movie. It has nothing to do with the character not being "accessible" or "interesting" enough. There have been plenty of bad Batman movies for one things.

I saw that episode on youtube yesterday. Such a cool moment for Flash. Speeding up his heartbeat so it looked like it flat lined was impressive, and you can tell Batman was impressed to even if he didn't outright say it.

I love that episode! Batman: "Didn't know you could do that." <<< The wheels are already turning in his head haha. The Flash: "Neither did I" or something like that. Then Batman goes "who could anticipate you?" or something...I loved when he put Batman in the cell and he repeats what he said to him earlier in the episode after he locks him down "You'll appreciate this someday". Lol.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Agreed. Johns & Didio, like many Hal fans, greatly overestimate Hal's potential for mainstream popularity.

A bad film is a bad film. If you don't write a character true to their core and hand it off to a director who doesn't care, you will end up with a bad film (Batman & Robin etc).

WB should take them out of the equation after that horrible failure

Why?

When Geoff Johns was writing Rebirth Green Lantern had one title that was doing mediocre.

Rebirth sold spectacularly and received critical praise. The relaunched GL title was the same, Geoff then launched a second, Green Lantern Corps title that remains to this day strong, for the first time since the 80's. Sinestro Corps War was released to critical and sales success, followed by Blackest Night, and with the advent of the New 52 a further 3 Green Lantern titles have been launched, as well as a 13 issue maxi-series for Guy freakin' Gardner.

That's more success than they ever thought of. Green Lantern and its 4 partner titles are now a cornerstone of the DCU, along with the Superman (7 titles 2 of which are shared) and Batman (8 titles, 2 of which are shared) lines, making up 10% of DC titles.

 

[brainchild81]

That's awesome. GA don't give a damn. We ain't in the mainstream. The mainstream doesn't read comic books.

I don't think that was the issue. I think they just made a bad movie. It has nothing to do with the character not being "accessible" or "interesting" enough. There have been plenty of bad Batman movies for one things.

They still turned more of a profit than GL IIRC. Batman is a hit w/the GA.

 

[cleverusername8]

Don't know how into Young Justice everyone is over here, but I like the Barry on Young Justice. He's more serious than Wally, but still charismatic and his cheesy "back in a Flash" thing was appropriately comical.

If they pair that version of the character with John, I think it could work. I don't think the GA will care as much whether it's Barry or Wally since it'll just be a name to them but they have a pretty solid understanding of the difference between Hal and John. So many people on YouTube ask where "the black Green Lantern went" so I'm sure they'd be up and down to see that.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

That's awesome. GA don't give a damn. We ain't in the mainstream. The mainstream doesn't read comic books.

Geoff Johns writes comic books though. So why should he lose his job as a writer of comic books when a film did poorly? It doesn't follow.

 

[Kevin Smith]

They still turned more of a profit than GL IIRC. Batman is a hit w/the GA.

This is true.

Don't know how into Young Justice everyone is over here, but I like the Barry on Young Justice. He's more serious than Wally, but still charismatic and his cheesy "back in a Flash" thing was appropriately comical.

If they pair that version of the character with John, I think it could work. I don't think the GA will care as much whether it's Barry or Wally since it'll just be a name to them but they have a pretty solid understanding of the difference between Hal and John. So many people on YouTube ask where "the black Green Lantern went" so I'm sure they'd be up and down to see that.

I liked how they did The Flash/Barry Allen on Young Justice. He was great. I wish they'd do a Flash show already.

There were things that I'd heard they were going to do with Flash on the show that I disliked when I heard about them (like changing Barry's origin - he HAS to be in his lab and get hit by lightning combined with electrically charged chemicals to get his powers...it's iconic and a staple of his character, you don't change that) but they never made it into the show fortunately. Anyway, Young Justice wasn't a bad show. STill doesn't compare to JL/JLU though, IMO. It's more soap operaic and doesn't have the heart JL/JLU had. I do think it is funny though how the League on the show (the adults) eventually up being the same roster as the original 7 in the JL/JLU show (Superman, Batman, WW, The Flash, GL, Martian Manhunter, Hawkgirl).

 

[brainchild81]

Geoff Johns writes comic books though. So why should he lose his job as a writer of comic books when a film did poorly? It doesn't follow.

It really doesn't. That's why I never said anything like it

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

WB should take them out of the equation after that horrible failure

I'll leave that there.