Supergirl How would you move Supergirl into the main CWverse?

[DigificWriter]

^ Except that's not what was happening in that scene... AT ALL.

That scene was intended to do two things:
1) Establish Winn's interest in the extra-terrestrial, telegraphing him as someone Kara felt she could confide in

2) Establish the friendship between her and Winn

 

[metaphysician]

Also, the show establishes that Superman has been a public hero for a decade. So, even if that particular scene was *supposed* to be Winn being skeptical about aliens existing, that just means its writing is so terrible it has to be disregarded. Given it would require contradicting major, load bearing facts of the setting.

 

[Batsfan1]

^ Except that's not what was happening in that scene... AT ALL.

That scene was intended to do two things:
1) Establish Winn's interest in the extra-terrestrial, telegraphing him as someone Kara felt she could confide in

2) Establish the friendship between her and Winn

It doesn't matter if the scene intended to say it. It said it.

 

[Kelly]

Maybe some were arguing that Superman was not an alien...just a "super" man....and therefore you had those that believed in aliens (knowing they existed) like the DEO and others....those that used them (the idea of aliens) for "political gain"...the Senator, and then those that denied they existed all together. Winn was one who believed in aliens, and Kara was wanting him to believe that she didn't believe in them.

That is very plausible... "Global Warming" anyone?

 

[metaphysician]

Eh, that doesn't really work, unless you assume a Superman who is not generally believed by the public, and scarcely has done anything in public. Which is to say, not Superman.

 

[DigificWriter]

I don't understand why some people are trying to "make allowances" for what is demonstrably a false interpretation of the scene in question as presented, but that's neither here nor there.

Going back to the whole "dimensional travel" issue for a second, even if you disregard the showrunners' comments about the Waverider, there's actual onscreen implication that the ship can travel across time as well as space because of Rip's comment about having "seen Men of Steel die and Dark Knights fall".

Since characters who fit those descriptors don't currently exist on Earth-1 and have not yet been implied to exist on Earth-1 in the future, the clearest implication in what he says is that he's been to places where characters who fit those descriptors do exist and has witnessed them fail.

 

[Kelly]

Well, in all reality.....doesn't really matter to me what they do....as long as the focus of Supergirl is "Supergirl"...

 

[Thome216]

Well, for me the definition of 'canon' is what is shown on the show, no matter what is said by anyone BTS. When it's taped and shown, it's no longer speculation, unless of course a following scene overturns it.

 

[BH/HHH]

Well, for me the definition of 'canon' is what is shown on the show, no matter what is said by anyone BTS. When it's taped and shown, it's no longer speculation, unless of course a following scene overturns it.

Yup, if anything us a deleted scene or said BTS it X an always be over turned. It's like the whole Superman II thing with did Superman kill the Kryptonian's, the answer is it would appear so because the scene if them been taken away by artic police was deleted therefore it's not canon.

 

[metaphysician]

OTOH, where a deleted scene or BTS bit is *not* contradicted by on-screen canon, its probably a good idea to treat it as valid until contradicted.

 

[BH/HHH]

OTOH, where a deleted scene or BTS bit is *not* contradicted by on-screen canon, its probably a good idea to treat it as valid until contradicted.

I disagree, while some scenes in films or TV are cut for time, some are also cut for other reasons.

 

[Dr.]

When it comes to analysis/evaluation, I take the side that the “text” is the only valid source material. Therefore, information contained outside the text is irrelevant and disqualified from consideration. Film-wise, such “non-textual” items might be deleted scenes, an interview with the director (who clarifies a question or detail) or the novelization (which, likewise, clarifies some point).

This notion (text vs. non-text) is loosely analogous to canon vs. non-canon. The latter may be fascinating - or even superior - to the former. But at the end of the day, it doesn’t count.

 

[Syncos]

The Waverider can cross dimensions, Cisco can create portals himself, and both Felicity and Curtis have the technical know-how to build a portal device (especially if helped by Cisco)

They do?

Felicity is a master hacker, sure. She's not a scientist. Her building a portal to another dimension would be WAY beyond suspension of disbelief.

Curtis is maybe more believable considering the tech he's created. But this is technology that Ray Palmer and Martin Stein had only theorized would be possible.

The only tech that has been made to cross dimensions is the system they built to get barry out of the speed force, and that was using Cisco's own abilities.

Currently there's two ways to cross dimensions. Be Cisco, or be a speedster at least as powerful as Barry or Zoom.

 

[DigificWriter]

The Tachyon Device that Thawne/Wells had the STAR Labs team "appropriate" from Dr. McGee and Mercury Labs in Season 1 is what Barry used to cross into Kara's reality in Worlds' Finest, and both Felicity and Curtis could replicate it with the technical knowledge they possess.

We also know that, as mentioned, the Waverider is capable of interdimensional travel.

 

[Syncos]

The Tachyon Device that Thawne/Wells had the STAR Labs team "appropriate" from Dr. McGee and Mercury Labs in Season 1 is what Barry used to cross into Kara's reality in Worlds' Finest, and both Felicity and Curtis could replicate it with the technical knowledge they possess.

We also know that, as mentioned, the Waverider is capable of interdimensional travel.

The tachyon device was only used to boost Barry's powers. It's the same type of device that Wells/Reverse Flash was using to boost his own in season one.

The device gave Barry the power to rupture the dimensional barrier.
Sure, Curtis could maybe make one (still don't think Felicity could. Being a Super hacker means you can do a lot, but she's not a scientist. She's not shown the ability to invent new tech.) But even if they made one of those devices, without a speedster, it's useless.

 

[DigificWriter]

The Waverider can tap into the dimensional flow (we know this is so even if we haven't seen it, as per one of the Legends producers), so you're really reaching to say that dimensional travel is some exclusive thing.

 

[Syncos]

The Waverider can tap into the dimensional flow (we know this is so even if we haven't seen it, as per one of the Legends producers), so you're really reaching to say that dimensional travel is some exclusive thing.

I'm not saying it's exclusive.

I'm just saying a computer hacker and an electrical engineer can't believably do it. The waverider hasn't demonstrated in the show it can either. But It wont surprise me when it does.

Besides that you need to turn to metahumans. A strong speedster or Cisco are the only ones who have shown to cross the dimensional borders.

It could also come in the other way. Perhaps Supergirl encounters a powerful alien from fort Raz that happens to have dimensional gateway abilities or something.

 

[Kelly]

^ Except that's not what was happening in that scene... AT ALL.

That scene was intended to do two things:
1) Establish Winn's interest in the extra-terrestrial, telegraphing him as someone Kara felt she could confide in

2) Establish the friendship between her and Winn

I saw it as her them solidifying the fact that she was very much hiding her powers even to people she was close to, and solidified even more when she did not come out immediately to James, KNOWING that her cousin was his best friend. It was showing the audience just how secret her life had been from Day 1 on earth, making the first (well second with saving the woman and child) but FIRST BIG, out in the open, full media save THAT MUCH BIGGER. I think she was able to tell Winn, because he was her best friend, and YES, someone that would be excited for her, since her sister was anything BUT excited for her. But IMO, so much was left behind in the pilot that it isn't even pivotal to anything really happening in the series today.

 

[WereCoyote]

I figure bringing Supergirl in will be some kind of Side Effect to the Flashpoint, sort of like a nod to the current Rebirth storylines going on across the DCU.

 

[Thome216]

Something I'd love to see, but it probably won't happen for a season or two, if ever. It's something that should be worked up to rather than tossed in. I personally like the notion of a universe destroying event that requires Earth 1 and the Superverse to be melded together to keep one or the other from being destroyed.

 

[DigificWriter]

I figure bringing Supergirl in will be some kind of Side Effect to the Flashpoint, sort of like a nod to the current Rebirth storylines going on across the DCU.

Nope.

Flashpoint has zero effect on Supergirl whatsoever, and the 4-way crossover is not going to be connected in any way to the the Flashpoint event, which will have been resolved long before said crossover occurs.

 

[Octavias]

Lets not forget, in the arrowverse, reverse flash sped up the metahuman creation years ahead of schedule... There very well may be a kryptonian on earth 1 already... He could be a prisoner of the govt like the flashpoint story or he could still be an unknown, because this flash is a much younger one than normal

 

[metaphysician]

The former is pretty much indistinguishable from "there is no Superman", though, seeing as its a radical divergence from the origin. The latter. . . well, see above for all my posts on why this would be a terrible, terrible idea. A Superman who doesn't get off his ass when nukes are flying is worse than no Superman at all.

 

[optimus2861]

I wouldn't.

Keeping a dimensional barrier between the worlds helps greatly with the "Why doesn't Supergirl help Flash with this baddie?" Or vice versa, or with Arrow. Supergirl has already struggled at times with the "Why didn't Superman get involved?" question. It only gets worse if you add more superheroes to the world.

Not to mention that both Earths presumably have four to six billion people living on them. If you merge the worlds, no matter what narrative trope you use, a huge number of lives stop existing in some manner, countless more change and many of those changes will not be for the better. Just because you can handwave it away as "behind the scenes" stuff doesn't make it a very pleasant foundation on which to run a set of superhero shows.

 

[metaphysician]

Being fair, its not too terribly hard to avoid "why does ___ not help" issues. . . as long as you don't make the plot *a giant ongoing alien invasion*.