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Iron Man 2 Howard finally speaks!

There is a lot more to this story than what has been said, and we won't be given all the behind the scenes stuff. But, Howard I will say is likely at least partially at fault. He did nothing as Rhodey in IM, so not a huge loss IMO. Goodbye. I'm willing to give Cheadle a chance, though to the naked eye not a great pick.

As for Marvel's tentpole, I have debated this endlessly with FaT tONle, and I will summarize by saying IM2 and Thor make 2010 and Cap is probably the only 2011 movie by Marvel. I see Avengers getting moved due to 2011's competition shape up. However, Marvel wasn't arrogant in making this tentpole. They have been working on these for a while, and Cap even has pre-production stuff done already. Thor is now getting underway (new director and since Craig turned Thor down, looks like casting is going on). IM2 is being worked on, and Favs said this was planned 3 movies from the get-go. Not rushed. Why do we love the 3 movie gap so much? SM2- 2 year gap, SM3- 3 year gap. Which was better?

As for what Marvel has post Avengers. Depending upon BO, you may get Thor 2, Cap 2, IM3, Avengers 2, etc. They also are now planning for Dr. Strange (great decision), and they still have the likes of Namor (whom I'd love to see as the villain in Avengers), Black Panther, many other smaller projects, and possibly FF if the contract expires.

My point is Marvel has plenty of options, and even if they only had Avengers related characters, I still think that is good enough. I think Thor makes TIH #'s sadly, but Cap I easily see being IM big. IM2 is money in the bank, and so is likely Avengers.

I won't say Marvel is in the right all the time. They do appear to have screwed Norton and do seem a little cheap, but I am not willing to give Howard the benefit of the doubt on this. I'm not blindly loyal to Marvel's plan. I think Avengers will be a generic movie in actualality (they form and fight Hulk in first 1/3, they get real threat and focus on that next 2/3, likely Skrulls and it being Ultimates light). However, Thor and Cap I am really pumped for. Excited for IM2 also, but more so Thor & Cap.
 
I don't know how we got on this topic again but I guess I'll add my .02 cents... more like 2000.00 $ the amount of times I have commented on this... but I don't have a problem with IM2 in 2010 as I already said. We pretty much agree on everything... but as far as War Machine... Cheadle doesn't seem like the best pick but he's a name... and that helps. I don't know if we'll get WM in IM2... we probably will... because I don't think they will save WM for Avengers or IM3. Something to think about with Avengers... if it does indeed get pushed back... that means IM3 MIGHT be in jeapordy. RDJ isn't getting any younger and you wonder if he'd be back for yet another film. That's why I think they will try to cram as much as possible in IM2... including possibly Mandarin as the featured villain. Not ruling that out one bit. And as far as the other characters... I don't seem them being franchises... and Dr. Strange/Namor are C-listers... Marvel really doesn't have much outside Avengers... they'd be foolish rushing and hapassing it... btw you really want Skrulls for the first film Spider-Fan?
 
I don't know how we got on this topic again but I guess I'll add my .02 cents... more like 2000.00 $ the amount of times I have commented on this... but I don't have a problem with IM2 in 2010 as I already said. We pretty much agree on everything... but as far as War Machine... Cheadle doesn't seem like the best pick but he's a name... and that helps. I don't know if we'll get WM in IM2... we probably will... because I don't think they will save WM for Avengers or IM3. Something to think about with Avengers... if it does indeed get pushed back... that means IM3 MIGHT be in jeapordy. RDJ isn't getting any younger and you wonder if he'd be back for yet another film. That's why I think they will try to cram as much as possible in IM2... including possibly Mandarin as the featured villain. Not ruling that out one bit. And as far as the other characters... I don't seem them being franchises... and Dr. Strange/Namor are C-listers... Marvel really doesn't have much outside Avengers... they'd be foolish rushing and hapassing it... btw you really want Skrulls for the first film Spider-Fan?

No, but that is what I think we're going to get. My personal choice at this moment is Namor. I think that would be an interesting choice. Especially if he teamed with the Hulk (as the two have been wronged by the land dwellers).

I see IM3 getting made regardless, since IM was so huge, that is the franchise I am sure Marvel will do all they can to keep going. However, I think that puts Stark's status in Avengers 2 in jeopardy.

Dr. Strange has a ton of cinematic potential. His world of magic is visually interesting, he has a sellable origin, and and I see the movie doing well. IM well? No, but I think it could be bigger than TIH easily.
 
I don't see Skrulls... I am down with the original Avenger origin for the film.. but even though I like Namor I don't see him making the cut. I don't think a guy like Namor would appeal on the level of a Silver Surfer for example. It would just come across as a random underwater dude to general audiences because I doubt people are familiar with him. I think they have to do more than just Loki/Namor/Hulk... now if Namor was introduced in a previous film then it could work.

Maybe just start (or end the Cap movie) the Avengers movie with a bunch of sea creatures worshipping Cap's frozen body... like the after the credit scene in POTC: DMC... that isn't a formal introduction though.
 
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I don't see Skrulls... I am down with the original Avenger origin for the film.. but even though I like Namor I don't see him making the cut. I don't think a guy like Namor would appeal on the level of a Silver Surfer for example. It would just come across as a random underwater dude to general audiences because I doubt people are familiar with him. I think they have to do more than just Loki/Namor/Hulk... now if Namor was introduced in a previous film then it could work.

Maybe just start (or end the Cap movie) the Avengers movie with a bunch of sea creatures worshipping Cap's frozen body... like the after the credit scene in POTC: DMC... that isn't a formal introduction though.

I think Namor gives us a credible threat that is not a rehash of another villain. Plus, Atlantis would appear in the movie :up:

Having Namor remember Cap due to seeing him frozen would be interesting too.
 
Meh... Avengers is packed as it is... we wouldn't have time to get into Namor's whole story.... unless they were trying to get him on the team or something. Who knows... we already have Hulk for the anti-hero... if Hulk is not in the film then by all means go for it. Namor should be featured in a FF movie or his own movie before Avengers though.
 
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That's kinda screwed up, I was actually looking forward to his return:(
On a positive note, they did find an awesome replacement:up:
 
I heard on the radio Wednesday morning that Howard MIGHT NOT be out as Rhodes/War Machine for IM2. According to the Ed Lover morning show, Marvel has released a statement saying that they have NOT made a decision one way or the other about who will play Jim Rhodes. They said the story about Howard being replaced by Cheadle came from the HOLLYWOOD REPORTER and NOT them. They said no contracts have been completed and/or signed yet.
 
I heard on the radio Wednesday morning that Howard MIGHT NOT be out as Rhodes/War Machine for IM2. According to the Ed Lover morning show, Marvel has released a statement saying that they have NOT made a decision one way or the other about who will play Jim Rhodes. They said the story about Howard being replaced by Cheadle came from the HOLLYWOOD REPORTER and NOT them. They said no contracts have been completed and/or signed yet.

The plot thickens...
 
I heard on the radio Wednesday morning that Howard MIGHT NOT be out as Rhodes/War Machine for IM2. According to the Ed Lover morning show, Marvel has released a statement saying that they have NOT made a decision one way or the other about who will play Jim Rhodes. They said the story about Howard being replaced by Cheadle came from the HOLLYWOOD REPORTER and NOT them. They said no contracts have been completed and/or signed yet.

Let's hope that is the case, and Howard DOES return. I'll be the first to admit that in certain scenes in IM, Howard's voice sounded very feminine (the award banquet mostly), but for most of the film it seemed fine. He does have the look of Jim Rhodes, and as far as Cheadle being a better actor, I'd have to disagree, I think Cheadle is a better dramatic actor, but Howard is nothing to scoff at. He can pull off a convincing good or bad guy.

As far as recastings go, its not always a bad idea, most people I talked to hated Katie Holmes in Batman Begins, also in large part due to the annoyance of her character, but Maggie did a BANG UP job. I haven't seen TIH yet, but if I had to bet, I would say Norton probably did a better job then Eric Banna. IM has a really good shot of being a good franchise, and if handled properly, War Machine is popular enough to get his own film...but you have to have consistency with his part.
 
Well its official, Howard isnt returning, watching Iron Man tonight this has me bummed because he did more than a good enough job and had some good scene's left on the cutting room floor also. Cheadle is great actor, but he just doesnt convince me as Rhodey like Howard does. Howard convinced me before I even saw him playing the part. Damn shame, and no explanation from Marvel doesnt help either.

Also if they were dead set on replacing Howard, wouldnt Jamie Foxx have been a much better fit and choice? He looks a LOT more like Howard than Cheadle does also.
 
That news sucks about Howard not returning. I like Cheadle and all, but not for this role.
 
Found this on LatinoReview :hehe:

http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/howardinironman2

Edit: LR has nothing to do with that petition, they just happened to come across it themselves.

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I like how the guy who made that site didn't even spell Favreau's name right :woot:
 
I wasn't really into Iron Man before I saw the movie (I was a DC kid), so for me Howard really defined who Rhodey is. I don't really have any attachment to the character outside of his performance as him, so seeing someone else playing the role is going to be just plain jarring. I really liked Howard and I thought he brought something really special to the movie, but I guess that in Marvel's mind the only thing that matters is keeping RDJ on board. :cmad:
 
No offense to Don Cheadle (great actor), but I totally felt and believed Terrence captured Rhodes to a tee. And I really wanted to see him become War Machine. Now I'm not looking forward that much to the sequel. Damn it all to Hell!
 
Someone said earlier that is could have to do with spin-offs and I think they may be onto something. Perhaps Marvel is more confident that Don Cheadle can carry a movie than Howard.
 
I dont see how, Cheadle has been in more movies but it is rare he has carried one himself, same with Howard really, so both are in the same position when it comes to carrying a movie IMO. That said, I really thought Howard nailed the role and am still unhappy they got rid of him.
 
I would also prefer Howard but Cheadle is also good . He has a small body. He need to beef up a little.

As for Marvel they need to clean this mess by rehiring Terrence. I mean they made a freaking 300M for this movie this summer, its not like they can't afford Howard? Also it will look more like a reboot than a sequel if they take Cheadle.They are taking a unnecessary risk.
 
I would also prefer Howard but Cheadle is also good . He has a small body. He need to beef up a little.

As for Marvel they need to clean this mess by rehiring Terrence. I mean they made a freaking 300M for this movie this summer, its not like they can't afford Howard? Also it will look more like a reboot than a sequel if they take Cheadle.They are taking a unnecessary risk.

Holmes was fired from TDK and no one cared. No one will miss Howard other than nerds. RDJ is really the only essential keeper.
 
Holmes was fired from TDK and no one cared. No one will miss Howard other than nerds. RDJ is really the only essential keeper.

:huh:
There is absolutely no comparison with Holmes and Howard. Holmes f*** UP her batman career her self and Howard didnt do anything wrong.
 

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