Hulk vs Apocalypse

[ArmyDragon92A]

We don't know how powerful the Stranger is.

You can't say Hulk could never beat the High Evolutionary because alot of people who beat Hulk in one fight lost in the next. Plus, alot of people said Hulk would never beat Black Bolt and now it seems he has.

And we can only go with what we have and what we have is Hulk having greater feats and greater records than Apoc. This means Hulk beats Apocalypse.

Wow. You sound like an inane 12 year old gripping his plushy and not wanting to let go. This is sad. Really...really sad.

 

[Toby_Temple]

Apocalypse defeated by the hulk? Are you serious? lol

Was that above statement for me?

 

[wolf1023]

whats with the lack of respect among the non hulk people and some of the pro hulk people you guys need to chill there f ing comics so I favor the hulk stop attack my intelligence becaus of it. anyway the argument is would the hulk win against apoc if prep time was given ok so I already said hulk would win beacaus he beats plenty of people who plan for him I dont need to state more so if you pleas stop calling me ignorant, stupid, or otherwise I dont do it to you just for your onpinion and by the way thats all that anyone has so dont do it to me I give respect to you guys so I would like some back I will continue my debate latter man I am little tired so forgive the grammer though it would suck anyway lol.

 

[wolf1023]

by the way armydragon92A make an argument bfore you stoop to being condescending seriously man impudent your just as cocky as anyone else slinging insults because you think its funny how old are you man, there just silly debates no reason to get an attitude especially when you haven’t said anything worth hearing as far as the debate goes.

 

[Toby_Temple]

whats with the lack of respect among the non hulk people and some of the pro hulk people you guys need to chill there f ing comics so I favor the hulk stop attack my intelligence becaus of it. anyway the argument is would the hulk win against apoc if prep time was given ok so I already said hulk would win beacaus he beats plenty of people who plan for him I dont need to state more so if you pleas stop calling me ignorant, stupid, or otherwise I dont do it to you just for your onpinion and by the way thats all that anyone has so dont do it to me I give respect to you guys so I would like some back I will continue my debate latter man I am little tired so forgive the grammer though it would suck anyway lol.

Ok. I'll stop ignoring you for now.

I'll try my best to make you see the error of your reasoning.
If I use your logic, I could also reason out that Hulk only faced Apocalypse ones and Apocalypse succeeded in taming Hulk into becoming War. Apocalypse did that at first try and succeeded. It is highly possible that he could do it again because of his genuis-level intellect.

Hulk won against those "plenty" because 1) they have insufficient knowledge of Hulk's strength and 2) they are not powerful enough and does not have the means to match Hulk when he is enraged.

Apocalypse has sufficient knowledge about Hulk's potential, proven by the fact that he used Juggernaut as a guineapig to test a celestially empowered Hulk. He also has sufficient powers to go face Hulk toe-to-toe and is capable of empowering himself beyond Hulk's powers.

 

[wolf1023]

good argument. that seems like good logic to me. but one thing that is amiss hulk didn’t actually get to finish his fight with apoc though he did have him in a gnarly situation he let the hulk go and started reasoning with him. The hulk cam willingly to get the ghost of some guy he thought he killed out of his mind. So tamed yea I guess he did tame him I am just saying his aim was not to kill him but to make him an ally. By the way no one still knows if hulk increase in power was the celestial technology or if it was just a manipulation of his natural ability to become stronger. That has no bearing on this debate I thought it was an interesting fact or foe fact I don’t know I saw it on the internet. and the mandarin had plenty of tecno and power to defeat the hulk he even teamed up with three other villians to defeat the hulk they lost now I know that mandarin dosent mean much alone but with three other villians that should have done the hulk in and I am talking about old school hulk not the one who can beat down blackbolt.

 

[ArmyDragon92A]

Wow. I cant fathom how any of you would even PRETEND to believe the Hulk has the ability to defeat Apocalypse of all people. "Prep Time"?? Are you seriously saying that's a logical factor? Seriously?

This is insanity.

 

[wolf1023]

eh maybe your logic is just too ifalible and my feeble mind caint comprehead it I am an idiot so I guess it doesent realy matter what I say so fuge it I am done.

 

[rodhulk]

Wow. You sound like an inane 12 year old gripping his plushy and not wanting to let go. This is sad. Really...really sad.

What? What? No, seriously, what?

This is a Hulk thread in a Hulk board and I'm simply debating in it and you're saying I'm a 12 year old kid? Can you explain, punk?

 

[rodhulk]

Yes



Ah. No. Are you really that clueless?



Did I state the reasons why you are a fanboy, fanboy?





Where?



You been using track record as bases for Hulk on winning dumbass. Stop lying to our faces!



Yes you did fanboy. You even compared it with Juggernaut being unstoppable. You're lying again!



FYI! Hulk's powers include his strength.



Yes you did. By implying that he did stop Juggernaut with his own strength.



Ah.........don't forget....



You honestly think you're even close to getting 1 point? hahaha



Did anyone made a thread for Apocalypse about his feats? My my. You are a stupid fanboy.



Argumentum ad populum bears no weight in any debate, fanboy.



Actually, you overestimate Hulk just like any fanboy that exists. With your basis, you are not winning any arguments not even this one. Try again in the next 50 years rodhulk. I'm too much for you.

So, without just calling me a fanboy, can you explain why I'm a fanboy? Let me answer again for the reading impaired which is obviously you.... You can't cause I've given the others their props and admitted Hulk can lose, not that he would, mind you, but could! Sorry, you're wrong!

Now, seriously, if you really believe what you believe about Apoc, go to the Marvel section and start this thread up. I've already challenged you but seems you're a little 'fraid! Until then, you remain a loser! And you're wrong again!

And why does Hulk's track record bother you too much... hmmm. Is it because it's better than your Apoc's track record. t: Man, I enjoy being a Hulk fan in situations like this. Oh, and you're wrong again!



To end, who really is the fanboy here? Well, since I gave Apoc his props against Hulk and you think Apoc beats Hulk seemngly every time with prep, you got your answer, fanboy! t: Oh, and since you're the fanboy, that means..... you're wrong again.

 

[rodhulk]

You mean you don't know. Again, don't speak in behalf of all of us. There are already comics and info that shows the Stranger's power. Anyone who reads them can make an assessment.

And about Hulk being able to beat High Evo, it happend once when the High Evolutionary committed suicide by allowing Hulk to crush him. Yet after that, even at goo state, he regenerated back. Maybe you could add that as a 'great' feat for Hulk. LOL

Greater records? You mean more showings. Its not a fair comparison when the other has less showings. Silicon Surfer is right on the money when he stated that Apocalypse has a better record by percentage basis.

Uh, no! That once again shows your lack of comic knowledge! We 'don't know how powerful the Stranger is? Sorry, you're wrong again!

Your High Evolutionary stuff is irrelevant since Hulk beat him too. HA! Sorry, you're wrong again! t:

Oh, so just because he has less showings you're making excuses for him? Excuses show you know Hulk is greater than Apoc... which once again means.... you're wrong again!

 

[rodhulk]

Let me remind the pro-hulks again. The debate is now about who would win between Hulk and Apocalypse if prep time is given. We're not debating if Hulk may win or Apocalypse may win. Its who would win and why.

This mean that both parties are given time to prepare. They can use any resources they have and any info they have.

Given this scenario, Apocalypse clearly has the mind and intelligence and has every important detail about the Hulk. He also has the resources.

As for the Hulk, I don't see him do anything other than search for Apocalypse then jump on him.

Powerwise, we all know that Hulk and Apocalypse are at 100 ton class in strength. Both are also extremely resistant to injury. Both could also increase their strength.

But the strongest Hulk incarnation is the savage Hulk and I think all those infavor of Hulk thinks that its the savage Hulk who will be fighting. You can suggest other incarnations though so I could provide other arguments as well.

We all know that the savage Hulk is nowhere in par with Apocalypse's intelligence. Apocalyse all has more powers than Hulk and he can also augment them to unknown levels.

Those are my arguments on why Apocalypse would win if prep time is given. I already stated in the earlier posts that Hulk would win if there was no prep time. There was almost no argument there until prep time was suggested. Since then before the resurrection of this thread, the arguments were with prep time.

We're already done this with you anti-Hulksters and you, especially YOU, just wine and cry! You just can't take the heat. But I'll be here to keep pounding the truth into you. You keep saying with prep, he has all these things he can do that would put him over the hulk yet it's funny he has a pretty bad record which means he's not as good as you claim, fanboy! Seriously, until you start the thread in the MC section, you're just hiding from the truth that Hulk would take the majority (or perhaps even all) over Apoc. Why don't you accept my challenge? Is it because you know the majority of posters there would say the Hulk would win? t:

 

[Toby_Temple]

We're already done this with you anti-Hulksters and you, especially YOU, just wine and cry! You just can't take the heat. But I'll be here to keep pounding the truth into you. You keep saying with prep, he has all these things he can do that would put him over the hulk yet it's funny he has a pretty bad record which means he's not as good as you claim, fanboy! Seriously, until you start the thread in the MC section, you're just hiding from the truth that Hulk would take the majority (or perhaps even all) over Apoc. Why don't you accept my challenge? Is it because you know the majority of posters there would say the Hulk would win? t:

What's wrong? Ran out of logical arguments and ended up into an emo fanboy? hahaha. Wolf1023 is starting to become better than you though.

You're only arguments are that you think Hulk's track record is better than Apocalypse and that he has variable strength so he would win against Apocalypse even with prep time.

I've already shown you and everyone else how absurd those arguments of yours are and how wrong your opinions are about comics and about Hulk and Apocalypse. You on the other hand painted me to be 'wrong' without even proving it. And you still think you've won. How pathetic. Learn the basics of debate rodhulk so that next time you could keep up.

 

[Toby_Temple]

Uh, no! That once again shows your lack of comic knowledge! We 'don't know how powerful the Stranger is? Sorry, you're wrong again!

Your High Evolutionary stuff is irrelevant since Hulk beat him too. HA! Sorry, you're wrong again! t:

Oh, so just because he has less showings you're making excuses for him? Excuses show you know Hulk is greater than Apoc... which once again means.... you're wrong again!

You do have a mind of 12 year old. So if Hulk let Aunt May hit him in the gut and just let himself go down and stay down Aunt May did legitimately defeated the Hulk? hahaha.

Excuses? Who has more showings? Hulk or Living Tribunal? Definitely Hulk. Is that enough reason to say that Hulk has a better track record than Living Tribunal? Let say the answer is yes(even though it isn't). Is that a reason to say that Hulk will be able to defeat the Living Tribunal?

So how pathetic you are rodhulk? Go back to school. You definitely need to go back there. hahaha

 

[Silicon Surfer]

The Hulk and the High Evolutionary have never fought so the Hulk couldn't possibly have beaten him. The High Evolutionary enlisted the Hulk to help him commit suicide and even with the High Evolutionary helping him Hulk couldn't do a good enough job. The High Evolutionary stood still and let the Hulk pound on him without fighting back and Hulk still couldn't smash his armor bad enough to keep it from rebuilding itself and the High Evolutionary.

 

[Toby_Temple]

Rodhulk could not understand your statements, Silicon Surfer. He's too emo right now.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Rodhulk could not understand your statements, Silicon Surfer. He's too emo right now.

Yeah, but it is virtually the ultimate challenge. I could try for a doctorate or a Nobel Prize but they aren't nearly as difficult.

 

[Toby_Temple]

LOL! Maybe I should treat it the same way. Its starting to be a good mind workout. t:

 

[deathbringer]

Hi guys I have not posted here for a while. I see you guys are picking on Rod Hulk so let me even the odds. True Appoc is one of if not the most powerfull mutant and could give the hulk a run for his money. But lets not forget Hulk has beaten the odds with much more intelligent opponents and sometime more powerfull. He simply became to strong for these supposedly supperior guys to handle.
My next point is Appoc is a would be conquerer has he been succesful. The answer is to my knowledge is no. He has always being stoped.
Hulk as the Maestro on the other hand did conquer the world and the only one able stop him was himself. Were was Appoc then, either dead or to afraid or powerless to do anything. If he was dead either the Maestro killed him or he did not survive the nucleur explosions.

 

[Toby_Temple]

Hi guys I have not posted here for a while. I see you guys are picking on Rod Hulk so let me even the odds. True Appoc is one of if not the most powerfull mutant and could give the hulk a run for his money. But lets not forget Hulk has beaten the odds with much more intelligent opponents and sometime more powerfull. He simply became to strong for these supposedly supperior guys to handle.
My next point is Appoc is a would be conquerer has he been succesful. The answer is to my knowledge is no. He has always being stoped.
Hulk as the Maestro on the other hand did conquer the world and the only one able stop him was himself. Were was Appoc then, either dead or to afraid or powerless to do anything. If he was dead either the Maestro killed him or he did not survive the nucleur explosions.

I think I've said this before. What happens in comics depends on the writers. If we debate it, Hulk would definitely not lose to giant snake. But in comics he lost. Another comics showed him being able to hit Quicksilver and other speedsters and then another comic shows him having a hard time hitting Spider-Man and was even KOed by Spidey. So can we say that Hulk, who could withstand a nuclear explosion, be koed by someone who is not as powerful or even as strong as the Hulk himself?

Comics can only be the basis for the powers and skills of characters. They cannot be a reliable basis to know if character A will always/sometimes win/lose against character B.

But if most of you will contend to the absurdity of such reason, then all I can say is that if a giant snake can beat Hulk without prep time, the more can Apocalypse do the same. If Spider-Man can KO the Hulk despite his much lesser strength, Apocalypse can certainly do the same thing.

 

[ArmyDragon92A]

Ok let's put it like this. Apocalypse can throw blows with cosmic beings. and manipulate matter.

Hulk is big and strong. and angry.

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oh and calling me a punk proves your immaturity. good job.

 

[wolf1023]

did someone call me emo that was kind of funny, yea I apologise for that post the insults got to me I am cool now.

 

[wolf1023]

did hulk ever even fight a big snake I still have yet to read it from the old school comics. I am not saying it didnt happen I just havent read it yet. I guess if we are not useing the comics as a basis I dont know what to think I mean on one hand I have been debating for the hulk becaus he is a badass but on the other hand so is apoc dont think me arogant I look at everyones argument and really have to way things, I took the hulk side mostly becaus I am a fan, that makes sense right. but in the big picture I see that the fight is much closer than I had imagined.Not to say I have faltered in my argument only that I think I have been arguing the wrong points for this bebate, I have been useing comics as my basis instead of charicter traits wich would exsplain the difrences in arguments...I am just talking bull**** I know but bear with me I think I am getting somwhere with my argument for the hulk lol. in all I have been useing just two incarnations of these charicters from the comics the dracula fighting apoc and the planet hulk...hulk so I guess that realy wasent fare of me to overlook the rest of the apoc comic continuety(I suck at spelling my bad) really what I am trying to say is I am still sticking with the hulk but only for one resone. I am gonna qoute rocky on this becaus it is a badass movie." its not how hard you hit, its how much you can get hit and keep moving forward.thats how winning is done" I say this becaus the hulk may not be able to control his molicules, shoot enrgy beams or change his size but whats that matter if you shoot the hulk....he hits the ground, then he gets up heals in an instant and comes back for more stronger angryer and tougher than ever before, what plan is apoc going to come up with other than recruit the hulk. celestial tecnology, yea well people with the same tecnology who actualy created it, plan, and try and beat the hulk to no avail granted hulk gets luky from time to time...ok alot but luck is a very important factor in any fight, think about it. anyway the problem is I am not going to change your mind at all about the hulk wining with apoc haveing prep time.what I am trying to get at is I am just going to keep reading hulk comics till I find that damn snake.

 

[wolf1023]

triple post biach

 

[wolf1023]

or quadruple now. the gloves are off I am going to tell you that hulk did fight high evolutinary in tales to astonish 96. he asked for the hulks help. I love essentials, still no snake though. I guess its time to give a resone why the hulk would win with prep time whats apoc going to do make big laser..? what in all his great tecnoligy is he going to do that everyone else hasent already done to no avail. and if we are going off charicter traits and not the comics I have already stated that apoc would probley think himself supirior and fight hulk head on like he does with everyone. realy he is a genius name one thing that he did with out useing some form of force to get it done.