Hulk vs Apocalypse

[ArmyDragon92A]

Hi guys I have not posted here for a while. I see you guys are picking on Rod Hulk so let me even the odds. True Appoc is one of if not the most powerfull mutant and could give the hulk a run for his money. But lets not forget Hulk has beaten the odds with much more intelligent opponents and sometime more powerfull. He simply became to strong for these supposedly supperior guys to handle.
My next point is Appoc is a would be conquerer has he been succesful. The answer is to my knowledge is no. He has always being stoped.
Hulk as the Maestro on the other hand did conquer the world and the only one able stop him was himself. Were was Appoc then, either dead or to afraid or powerless to do anything. If he was dead either the Maestro killed him or he did not survive the nucleur explosions.

You do realize most events that happen in the Marvel universe is a direct correlation of behind the scenes manipulations by Apocalypse right?

You're bringing up pretty bad points. And no one is picking on him. He's being an ignorant immature spoof. So it's not our fault he's too dang blanked out to have an actual discussion with some level of intelligence.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Apocalypse has already strangled the Hulk into submission with brute strength. He has telepathy strong enough to k.o. Professor X. He has levitated a citadel which from the picture would have to weigh 10's of thousands of tons, if not more. This makes him an Omega level telekinetic on top of everything else. He can transform matter and hurl energy bolts. He can also teleport. His shape changing ability which allows him to mimic Reed Richards makes him essentially impossible to hurt with physical strength, no matter how great, since he can simply flex with any blow or even entrap the limb. The Hulk has the ability to increase his strength, so does Apocalypse only faster and easier. With or without prep time the Hulk doesn't even have the ability to fight back in any meaningful way let alone win. Apocalypse has been responsible to one degree or another for nearly everything that has happened throughout most of human history.

 

[wolf1023]

when did he ever make himself elastic, In tems of physical streangth you have no baisis the he gets stronger faster only that he can get realy big. that and I have seen apocolypse get hurt plenty of times always to rejuvinate in his chamber. but you are right on by all acounts he does have a far supieror arsnel of powers. but the hulk gets stronger as he gets mader of almost any stress upon his body and his physicale indurence healing factor as well as his streangth increas and it has been shown that the hulk doesent even need to breath becaus his body can mutate to the point where he doesent need too.( I only brought that up becaus of the strangling thing) though he may have all of these powers everything can break or tear if enough force is aplied to it. as otheres have said the writers are inconsistent with both these charicters I just see apoclyps sending in a crap load of henchmen to defeat hulk if he had prep time, I wonder if bruce banner had prep time if he could help? probly not, any way I think everyone here knows the powers of these two titans but by your resoning the hulk caint hop to hurt apoc so he wins, well I could say the same for the hulk. draw.

 

[wolf1023]

"Apocalypse has been responsible to one degree or another for nearly everything that has happened throughout most of human history." I agree...I caint realy rebutle to that there is nothing to rebutle.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Apocalypse has been shown to stretch and Marvel has specifically stated that his shape changing powers give him every physical power there is. The Hulk has to my knowledge been shown to be able to breathe water, not to do without air completely. This remain ambiguous. In any case the strangling did occur. He strangled the Hulk with one arm and when the Hulk demanded he let go Apocalypse did so and Hulk stood bent over and gasping for breath. If something can flex as far as the force extends then no it won't break or tear no matter how much force is applied. The Hulk's arms are only so long. If Apocalypse can stretch that far no force the Hulk can apply will free him.

 

[wolf1023]

ok I was schooled. but what I meant about the streaching was that I never once seen him use it as a means of defence he usely just makes his molucules dencer. trust me I know his powers I just dont belive he can not be hurt when I have seen it done with my own two eyes. I am begining to be more swayed tword a draw in any case. I dont want that to seem like a copout. and the no breathing thing I just kind of infered that becaus he can spend so much time in space. I mean I know he can hold his breath for a long time but seriously he never. I think he just adapts to his enviroments but you are abosolutly right the hulk got choked out by apoc. I cant say crap about that I read that issue.

 

[KangConquers]

Apocalypse's is the most powerful Earthborn creature ever. That's his billing; Hulk wouldn't stand a chance.

 

[rodhulk]

ok I was schooled. but what I meant about the streaching was that I never once seen him use it as a means of defence he usely just makes his molucules dencer. trust me I know his powers I just dont belive he can not be hurt when I have seen it done with my own two eyes. I am begining to be more swayed tword a draw in any case. I dont want that to seem like a copout. and the no breathing thing I just kind of infered that becaus he can spend so much time in space. I mean I know he can hold his breath for a long time but seriously he never. I think he just adapts to his enviroments but you are abosolutly right the hulk got choked out by apoc. I cant say crap about that I read that issue.

You weren't schooled. Hulk can force Apoc off of him. He's done it to stretchy people before like Reed from F4. We really don't know what would have happened had Apoc didn't let go. Don't believe anything otherwise. Some of these guys here are knocking down the Hulk on purpose cause they just don't like him. SILICON SURFER is the worst, even more than Toby. His only purpose is to make the Hulk look bad but when you know the comics, you can find his errors most to all the time. Even if he sounds convincing, it doesn't mean it's true as already shown in this thread.

Remember, they keep saying that Marvel have said Apoc can do this and he can do that, but they also say Hulk is the most powerful, Hulk is the most strongest, etc.... And despite what they may say, Hulk still has the better track record. Put it this way, the Hulk is still around.

 

[rodhulk]

Rodhulk could not understand your statements, Silicon Surfer. He's too emo right now.

You just don't like being schooled, little boy! t:

 

[rodhulk]

The Hulk and the High Evolutionary have never fought so the Hulk couldn't possibly have beaten him. The High Evolutionary enlisted the Hulk to help him commit suicide and even with the High Evolutionary helping him Hulk couldn't do a good enough job. The High Evolutionary stood still and let the Hulk pound on him without fighting back and Hulk still couldn't smash his armor bad enough to keep it from rebuilding itself and the High Evolutionary.

I know. I was trying to get under Toby's skin and as you can see with his replies, it worked.

Still, Hulk never lost to Apoc.

 

[rodhulk]

What's wrong? Ran out of logical arguments and ended up into an emo fanboy? hahaha. Wolf1023 is starting to become better than you though.

You're only arguments are that you think Hulk's track record is better than Apocalypse and that he has variable strength so he would win against Apocalypse even with prep time.

I've already shown you and everyone else how absurd those arguments of yours are and how wrong your opinions are about comics and about Hulk and Apocalypse. You on the other hand painted me to be 'wrong' without even proving it. And you still think you've won. How pathetic. Learn the basics of debate rodhulk so that next time you could keep up.

Hahaha! And you're saying I ran out of arguments when you never had an argument to begin with!

 

[rodhulk]

Yeah, but it is virtually the ultimate challenge. I could try for a doctorate or a Nobel Prize but they aren't nearly as difficult.

Actually, it's not a challenge when you have a formed opinion going into these debates. It's really useless. Both you and Toby have the opinion that is always anti-Hulk, seemingly at anything and everything and with you being the worst, Silicon. So, I guess you won some type of prize here. Maybe not the nobel, but......

 

[rodhulk]

You do have a mind of 12 year old. So if Hulk let Aunt May hit him in the gut and just let himself go down and stay down Aunt May did legitimately defeated the Hulk? hahaha.

Excuses? Who has more showings? Hulk or Living Tribunal? Definitely Hulk. Is that enough reason to say that Hulk has a better track record than Living Tribunal? Let say the answer is yes(even though it isn't). Is that a reason to say that Hulk will be able to defeat the Living Tribunal?

So how pathetic you are rodhulk? Go back to school. You definitely need to go back there. hahaha

Usually, when people start insulting people by saying they're 12 years old, they're the ones that are usually 12. So, Tobes, how old are you?

And you don't understand what you're saying. The LT's powerset is what makes the difference between him and the Hulk. Apoc doesn't have that powerset, not even on the LT's radar, he is more at Hulk's level, but with lower overall showings, hence why Hulk can take Apoc but not the LT.

 

[rodhulk]

Hi guys I have not posted here for a while. I see you guys are picking on Rod Hulk so let me even the odds. True Appoc is one of if not the most powerfull mutant and could give the hulk a run for his money. But lets not forget Hulk has beaten the odds with much more intelligent opponents and sometime more powerfull. He simply became to strong for these supposedly supperior guys to handle.
My next point is Appoc is a would be conquerer has he been succesful. The answer is to my knowledge is no. He has always being stoped.
Hulk as the Maestro on the other hand did conquer the world and the only one able stop him was himself. Were was Appoc then, either dead or to afraid or powerless to do anything. If he was dead either the Maestro killed him or he did not survive the nucleur explosions.

You are correct, db. I should have used this Maestro thing before. And your point on Apoc being stopped when he tried to conquer but the Maestro wasn't was excellent. This pretty much ends this discussion. Great stuff.

 

[rodhulk]

I think I've said this before. What happens in comics depends on the writers. If we debate it, Hulk would definitely not lose to giant snake. But in comics he lost. Another comics showed him being able to hit Quicksilver and other speedsters and then another comic shows him having a hard time hitting Spider-Man and was even KOed by Spidey. So can we say that Hulk, who could withstand a nuclear explosion, be koed by someone who is not as powerful or even as strong as the Hulk himself?

Comics can only be the basis for the powers and skills of characters. They cannot be a reliable basis to know if character A will always/sometimes win/lose against character B.

But if most of you will contend to the absurdity of such reason, then all I can say is that if a giant snake can beat Hulk without prep time, the more can Apocalypse do the same. If Spider-Man can KO the Hulk despite his much lesser strength, Apocalypse can certainly do the same thing.

Back to the excuse game again. Why? Because you got pwnd! t:

It's true that writers will change the way they write certain characters where some certain characters abilities cease to exist for some odd reason. Like the writer forgot or didn't know of these abilities.

But with Hulk and Maestro, they've often succeedeed in their plans as Apoc seemingly hardly ever does. He gets stopped most/every time. So, throughout their history, Hulk succeeds (with the different writers) more than Apoc. And Maestro was unstoppable, something you 'cannot' say about Apoc. Since we can only go by this since this is what happened, Hulk beats Apoc most/all the time.

I win. You lose! t:

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Apocalypse's true goal is not conquest but to generate conflict. He believes that life improves through conflict and gets stronger and that it is his purpose and destiny to make it happen. When he creates a conflict he wins regardless of which side prevails because the conflict itself was his goal. If he gets overpowered physically in battle which has happened (seriously injured by Stryfe) he still doesn't lose because the outcome itself is largely meaningless. He thinks in terms of centuries and millennia. Foes like the Hulk and the X-Men were born only an instant ago and will die of old age an instant later from his perspective. Nothing they do can ever be truly important because they are simply not around long enough to matter. If a bee or an ant stings you, do you remember it as a foe that defeated you?

 

[ArmyDragon92A]

You just don't like being schooled, little boy! t:

I see Canada's school system has failed you. Either that or your parents would've been better of serving you up for adoption.

Maturity is one of many survivalists' true assets.

 

[wolf1023]

damn that was harsh armydragon92a. apoc in aoa was killed by magneto with a metal mace to the dome. does that make sense probly not but nothing realy does what does apoc being immortal have to do with someone woopin his ass. and rodhulk I am not swayed by anything I just happen to think that two charicters that are unstopable might have a draw. man apoc is kind of like superman a new power for a new obsticle. where was his mace wielding magneto force field.lol ( that was a good one made me lagh) am I the only one who laghs at my stupid jokes.

 

[deathbringer]

I think I've said this before. What happens in comics depends on the writers. If we debate it, Hulk would definitely not lose to giant snake. But in comics he lost. Another comics showed him being able to hit Quicksilver and other speedsters and then another comic shows him having a hard time hitting Spider-Man and was even KOed by Spidey. So can we say that Hulk, who could withstand a nuclear explosion, be koed by someone who is not as powerful or even as strong as the Hulk himself?

Comics can only be the basis for the powers and skills of characters. They cannot be a reliable basis to know if character A will always/sometimes win/lose against character B.

But if most of you will contend to the absurdity of such reason, then all I can say is that if a giant snake can beat Hulk without prep time, the more can Apocalypse do the same. If Spider-Man can KO the Hulk despite his much lesser strength, Apocalypse can certainly do the same thing.
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Fair enough, but than a giant snake or Spiderman could also beat Apoc with or without prep time depending on who writes the story.
But we are talking about both these characters displaying their full potential.

 

[rodhulk]

Apocalypse's true goal is not conquest but to generate conflict. He believes that life improves through conflict and gets stronger and that it is his purpose and destiny to make it happen. When he creates a conflict he wins regardless of which side prevails because the conflict itself was his goal. If he gets overpowered physically in battle which has happened (seriously injured by Stryfe) he still doesn't lose because the outcome itself is largely meaningless. He thinks in terms of centuries and millennia. Foes like the Hulk and the X-Men were born only an instant ago and will die of old age an instant later from his perspective. Nothing they do can ever be truly important because they are simply not around long enough to matter. If a bee or an ant stings you, do you remember it as a foe that defeated you?

Still, with all you said, Apoc hasn't succeeded nor has he won enough of these little battles which he must to get to where he wants. We have seen Hulk, at times, like the Maestro, for example, not be stopped. Once again, favor to the Hulk to beat Apoc.

 

[rodhulk]

I see Canada's school system has failed you. Either that or your parents would've been better of serving you up for adoption.

Maturity is one of many survivalists' true assets.

How can you speak on education or maturity when you lack both?

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Still, with all you said, Apoc hasn't succeeded nor has he won enough of these little battles which he must to get to where he wants. We have seen Hulk, at times, like the Maestro, for example, not be stopped. Once again, favor to the Hulk to beat Apoc.

You are right, Apocalypse hasn't succeeded in the plans that we know of. However when you look at the history of the MU you can put together a picture that explains it. It was revealed (I don't remember where) that Earth has a destiny. The mutants will replace homo sap and evolve into a race of psionics that are destined to bring a golden age to the universe. This seems to have attracted the attention of many of the universes cosmic entities. Lord Chaos and Master Order in particular have intervened significantly by creating the FF and Spider Man. The Celestials have given Earth one of very few positive decisions. When you apply this to Apocalypse and his plots you can deduce what they haven't actually said, namely that Apocalypse's plots are contrary to what the universe's major powers want. In other words, not matter how competent and powerful he is he has been cold decked from the start by beings who have the advantage of being able to look through time and actually watch how the events will unfold and make their plans accordingly. They use the heroes to change events and make them come out the way they want.

 

[ArmyDragon92A]

damn that was harsh armydragon92a. apoc in aoa was killed by magneto with a metal mace to the dome. does that make sense probly not but nothing realy does what does apoc being immortal have to do with someone woopin his ass. and rodhulk I am not swayed by anything I just happen to think that two charicters that are unstopable might have a draw. man apoc is kind of like superman a new power for a new obsticle. where was his mace wielding magneto force field.lol ( that was a good one made me lagh) am I the only one who laghs at my stupid jokes.

Actually. Magneto Killed Apocalypse in Age Of Apocalypse by ripping him in half. Not physically hitting him with an object. What comic have you been reading?

 

[ArmyDragon92A]

How can you speak on education or maturity when you lack both?

Errm. I lack education and maturity simply because I'm telling you that you do? Horrendous reasoning. I'm in the army, and in the position I'm in you require a bachelor's degree.

And a sense of maturity.

Would you like that crow hot or cold , kid?

 

[wolf1023]

oh man my bad I was thinking of absorbing man you are absolutly right he was ripped in half.