Hulk vs Apocalypse

[HULKSTER'04]

Hulk takes this easy no question about that.

 

[HULKSTER'04]

I'm bored of replying to stubborn individuals who think that the Hulk can't beat Apoc with prep time or not. Hulk would crush Apoc after a few minutes with prep time and about 16 seconds or less he'd cripple Apoc without prep time.
End of debate.

 

[wolf1023]

I ask one question how is apoc going to kill the hulk?

 

[Sloth7d]

The question is, how is Hulk going to kill Apoc?

They both have near limitless strenth, but one has waaaay more powers.

 

[Toby_Temple]

I don't remember any comic nor source of info that says Hulk is immortal.

 

[hippy fascist]

does DACMAN count as a source?

 

[rodhulk]

The Hulk mainly reacts to what happens to him so contrasting planning successes really doesn't apply. Apocalype however has had one real plan that he has been carrying out for 5000 years. That is creating conflict and strife for mutants to force their development along. That has been going along for 5000 years and up until Wanda had her little tantrum still was. Odds are that it will resume eventually as mutants recover their powers. His main goals have not been threatened by anything else only the minor details like individual fights and particular subplots. I doubt if they ever really meant anything to him. The depowering of the mutants is the only true reverse he has ever been faced with and that will go away eventually. Since he looks at the extremely long term goal the stuff that others would find significant is something that he really never cared about. As long as a confrontation or action generates conflict that mutants have to adapt to Apocalypse' plans succeed regardless of the particulars or his personal discomfort.

Hulk does sometimes plan something and he sometimes succeeds. Sometimes it's in a rematch, but it's planned nonetheless. Apoc doesn't enough, if at all, succeed, so Hulk still above Apoc.

 

[rodhulk]

Apocalypse has more in common with Galactus and the Watchers than he does with the Hulk or the X-Men. All are immortals who look at reality in terms of a time scale that is so long that a mortal would never wrap his mind around it. They have seen the patterns in things so thoroughly that they think in terms of ideas and philosophy rather than individual events.

Not in power, though, he isn't up there with Galactus. He may be able to draw some power from the celestials but toput him up there with Galactus, no. Sure he's been around for a long time, but he still doesn't end up doing too great in the end.

 

[rodhulk]

No. You fanboys exaggerate your fave hero's abilities all the time, thats why. hahahaha



Have you been paying attention to all the posts? Apocalypse also has limitless strength.



Yes, coz he's a villain and Hulk's a hero. See how stupid your logic is fanboy? Have you ever read or seen a literary work where the villain wins all the time, eh? Or maybe you need to reenroll yourself back to school.



Actually, I'm living proof that you don't need that many comics in order to know about Apocalypse and Hulk while you are living proof that no matter how many comics you read about them you would still remain clueless about there capabilities and limitations. hahaha



Like Apocalypse needs to be invisible to fight Hulk. En Sabah Nur already knows about Hulk's other abilities. Why the hell would he do such a useless move. Are you really that dim witted?



Look who's talking. HAHAHAHAHA

I exaggerate!

Can I ask you something, are you really trying to be serious in this thread because it doesn't seem like it. With what you say of Apoc and how he could beat the Hulk, you show a kidding around attitude! Or am I correct in what I have previously said about you that you don't own many comics and thus have no idea how powerful the Hulk is and why he would beat Apoc most/ all the time?

Apoc hasn't been shown to have limitless strength, though. Just like Marvel saying THE INVINCIBLE IRON MAN. IM is anything but invincible. Marvel more often than not say Hulk is the strongest, not Apoc.

See, back tot he excuses again. Apoc is a villain so he loses. However, that is the fact, Hulk wins and Apoc loses so Hulk > Apoc. t:

No, you're livingh proof that you don't own many comics so you just say what you 'want' to believe because you just don't know the facts. And that's a fact! t:

My point with the invisible part is that the Hulk has that ability. I wasn't making any reference to Apoc. Go back and read instead of whine, fanboy!

 

[rodhulk]

True, but he failed to break out from Apoc's cables that was literally choking him. hahaha



Thank you for your opinion, but, in my opinion, I disagree.



Correction. You mean more showings. Statistically, Apocalypse has the better track record. Silicon Surfer already showed that and proved it. Still have any bullets left, rodhulk? hahaha.

As I said before, track records is not enough to prove A will win against B.

We already know Hulk is more vulnerable at various times, but at other times, nothing seems to stop him. That's why I like him. It's always a mystery as to what's going to happen. That said......

Apoc let go of Hulk when Hulk was 'telling' him to let go, so who knows what would happen. Sorry, but you lose again.

Your opinion is misinformed information so it's ignored. t:

Silicon Surfer showed nothing. Apoc's track record is virtually 0 while Hulk has tons of big wins. You said so yourself in another post because Apoc is a villain. Hmmmmm...... you seem to be saying two things here, fanboy. Proof once again that you're a confused little comic fan wannabe.

Track records help us to know who would stand the better chance. What's the matter, trying to put everything that favors the Hulk on the shelf but if it's in Apoc's favor, then it's OK to use. Further proof you know Hulk is greater than Apoc. So, I guess, thanks!

 

[rodhulk]

Here is to prove why I said I don't need to have all the comics with Apocalypse's appearance. to know about Apocalypse's capabilities:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/442042_1-the-apocalypse-respect-thread

Enjoy!

Oh my gosh, Toby.... this doesn't even begin to compare with Hulk's feats. I mean, Hulk's done a ton of these things Apoc has done (an dso much more beyond this) so what are you trying to prove here? That Hulk's feats are actually greater?

 

[rodhulk]

The question is, how is Hulk going to kill Apoc?

They both have near limitless strenth, but one has waaaay more powers.

Yeah, but the one you say has many more powers (Apoc) doesn't seem to win the wars he's in as Hulk often does. So, Hulk greater than Apoc. You bet!

 

[rodhulk]

I don't remember any comic nor source of info that says Hulk is immortal.

It's been referenced to in one way or another many times. Again, you wouldn't know this because you don't own any comics.

 

[rodhulk]

yea but 5 thousand years isnt that much compared to the wacher or galactus to them apoc is but a passing memory.

Apocalypse isn't even on their power radar. But these fanboys think otherwise!

 

[Toby_Temple]

It's been referenced to in one way or another many times. Again, you wouldn't know this because you don't own any comics.

Really? Then where is it in Marvel.com or in any comics that Hulk is immortal or even stated by any other hero or character that knows him, eh? Stop fooling yourself fanboy.

And off the record, I do own comics but only a few. Yet I know more about Hulk than you do.

 

[Toby_Temple]

Oh my gosh, Toby.... this doesn't even begin to compare with Hulk's feats. I mean, Hulk's done a ton of these things Apoc has done (an dso much more beyond this) so what are you trying to prove here? That Hulk's feats are actually greater?

My gosh, rodhulk. It seem that you can't even read.

Maybe you forgot about how Apocalypse choke Hulk and send him gasping for air, eh. Do you have anything that shows Hulk doing the same to Apocalypse?
By that feat alone proves Apocalypse has better track record with Hulk than Hulk with Apocalypse.

Still wanna use track records as basis?

 

[Toby_Temple]

I exaggerate!

Thank you for admitting then.

Can I ask you something, are you really trying to be serious in this thread because it doesn't seem like it. With what you say of Apoc and how he could beat the Hulk, you show a kidding around attitude! Or am I correct in what I have previously said about you that you don't own many comics and thus have no idea how powerful the Hulk is and why he would beat Apoc most/ all the time?

Yes I am since I've started posting here.

Apoc hasn't been shown to have limitless strength, though. Just like Marvel saying THE INVINCIBLE IRON MAN. IM is anything but invincible. Marvel more often than not say Hulk is the strongest, not Apoc.

Same with marvel saying that Hulk is the strongest one there is and Juggernaut being unstoppable. Hulk is not the strongest one there is as you admitted before, remember, TOAA?

See, back tot he excuses again. Apoc is a villain so he loses. However, that is the fact, Hulk wins and Apoc loses so Hulk > Apoc. t:

Wrong. Being a villain in any literary work means you will lose to the hero now or in the end. Again, (how many times must I say this) if we abide by that concept, then this debate is pointless. Hulk would win over any villain regardless of abilities just because he/she is a villain. Thats absurd.

No, you're livingh proof that you don't own many comics so you just say what you 'want' to believe because you just don't know the facts. And that's a fact! t:

Wrong. I'm living proof that I don't need to have cancer to know its symptoms.

My point with the invisible part is that the Hulk has that ability. I wasn't making any reference to Apoc. Go back and read instead of whine, fanboy!

My point exactly, that that ability does not help your argument. In other words, utterly useless.

Calling me an apoc fanboy because I called you a Hulk fan boy? Your username is rodhulk, its quite obvious you're a Hulk fanboy. Hahahahaha!
Your just calling me one out of spite. How pathetic.

Apoc let go of Hulk when Hulk was 'telling' him to let go, so who knows what would happen. Sorry, but you lose again.

Thank you for your opinion but in my opinion I disagree.

Your opinion is misinformed information so it's ignored.

A biased assertion, in my opinion.

Silicon Surfer showed nothing. Apoc's track record is virtually 0 while Hulk has tons of big wins. You said so yourself in another post because Apoc is a villain. Hmmmmm...... you seem to be saying two things here, fanboy. Proof once again that you're a confused little comic fan wannabe.

Another biased assertion.

Again, villains will lose to heroes in any literary work and that includes comics. If we base this debate on that concept then this debate is pointless.

Track records help us to know who would stand the better chance. What's the matter, trying to put everything that favors the Hulk on the shelf but if it's in Apoc's favor, then it's OK to use. Further proof you know Hulk is greater than Apoc. So, I guess, thanks!

The said track records are based on what the writers want to happen just as you've said. Spider-Man KOing Hulk is crap. Yet it happend. No giany reptile could beat Hulk. Yet it happend. Why? Coz writers made it happen.

If Hulk could match the entire Avengers then why did he lost to Spidey? If he could hit speedsters then why could he barely hit Spidey? See how stupid comics can be? But thats what I think about Hulk and his powers. As you said it, it does not mean anything if we base it on comics. But that's just an opinion.

But in this debate we need to see which of the opinions are right and wrong. I'm here proving that my opinion that Apocalypse would win is right base on my analysis of both characters. Apocalypse could match Hulk's strength as both comics and info stated. He's more durable than Hulk and is capable of using several types of assault against the green brute. He also has celestial tech and we already know what it could do e.i War Hulk. Apocalypse also has enough info on Hulk which he could use against him. So I see no reason that Apocalypse would lose when he is given time to plan.

 

[wolf1023]

I didnt ask how the hulk can beat apoc I asked how apoc is going to beat the hullk dont dance around the question answer it.by the way as I said in previous posts I am leaning twords a draw.

 

[Cyrusbales]

Apocalypse owned hulk last time, really easily.

Apocalypse has infinite strength, determined only by how high he wants his strength to be. Hulk has to get mad, I think the mind's thought excells the anger, and much quicker.

Any result other than Hulk losing would be a farce to the established marvel universe.

 

[wolf1023]

they only met once and apoc choked out the hulk...he servives in the vacume of space for god sake, any result other than him lossing would be a force, that I think is a bit one sided everyone says that apc gets stronger faster but there is no solide proof of that comic or otherwise except he can go past the hulks 100ton minimum.

 

[Cyrusbales]

Like when he overpowered the hulk without effort? The only sample of canon evidence of this match, showing Apoc being stronger than hulk?

 

[wolf1023]

no efert my ass he had leverage, and it was a what if story, one example of exagerated writing the hulk dosent need to breath in sapce but apoc can choke him what dose he have the power to negate the hulks lung capacity.

 

[Cyrusbales]

Incredible Hulk vol. 2 #456 actually

 

[Silicon Surfer]

The scans of the fight with Gladiator posted above say that Hulk cannot survive in Space. From the Hulks own mouth.

 

[rodhulk]

Really? Then where is it in Marvel.com or in any comics that Hulk is immortal or even stated by any other hero or character that knows him, eh? Stop fooling yourself fanboy.

And off the record, I do own comics but only a few. Yet I know more about Hulk than you do.

A recent (year or so ago) battle between Hulk and a couple of members of the F4! Just one example. Though, not owning many comics, you wouldn't know this! t: