Hulk vs Apocalypse

Ha! Funny how you didn't quote my whole point in the exaggerating part. Proof you know I'm right... which means you're wrong! t:

As for the strongest, Marvel could be referring to the general heros/villains, something you didn't deny before (though, you'll probably say you don't remember ). And don't forget, you thought the LT was the strongest!

No, if someone has cancer they don't know it until it's confirmed by, let's say, a doctor? Same with understanding individual characters, you need it confirmed by comics and since you don't have any, it makes it obvious why you don't know the Hulk and Apco that well.

See, still more excuses. It doesn't matter if it's the writer, what matters is what we read in the comics and Hulk is made to be better than Apoc. Sorry, but you lose again, fanboy!

So what if Hulk lost to Spidey. Unlike Apoc, Hulk still often wins (including against Spidey)!

Apoc has yet to be shown if he can match Hulk's limitless (possible) strength. Base strength, sure, Hulk's real angered strength, can't say. All we know is Marvel have stated Hulk as the strongest as the norm, not Apoc. And if Apoc could reach levels like you say, then why does he lose so much and Hulk doesn't? I believe I just closed this issue (in fact, did many posts ago but for the reading impaired.... ).

Just to add, you're also too uneducated to realize that at the beginning of this debate, I actually said Apoc could win some because of the reasons you've been stating (though, not to the always high levels you state of Apoc). I just said I favor Hulk to win the majority which is my opinion just as you stated it's only your opinion on Apoc over Hulk. Unlike you , though, I actually have comics to back my stance as you've got nothing!

 

Marvel stated that Apoc's strength can exceed that of the Hulk's on two seperate occaisons....

 

Ha!

I already stated that Hulk can be very vulnerable at times but at heightened times of anger and power, he becomes much more powerful.

There have been times where Hulk seems like he's getting hurt and weakening (ex. vs Zaxx) yet suddenly something strikes Hulk and his anger and power increases and he defeats his foe like he wasn't even hurt and losing. How do you know this wouldn't have happened with Hulk and Apoc. Want another example. Hulk vs the Blob. Hulk was trying to lift the Blob but at first couldn't. Blob was laughing at the Hulk. Had the fight ended there, people would be saying Hulk is nothing compared to Blob. But, since the fight went on, Hulk got angrier, stronger, and eventually lifted the blob and threw him away. And another time vs the Blob, the same type of thing happened where Hulk punched the Blob but at first it was doing nothing. But after a coupel of minutes, yes, minutes, the punch sent Blob flying back KO'ing him.

So, this could have been the case with Hulk vs Apoc. Don't forget, Hulk 'TOLD' Apoc to let go and Apoc did. Hmmmmmmmm........ maybe Apoc realized Hulk might be getting a little too angry and strong. t:

 

Base strength, perhaps. But Hulk's possible limitless strength, show me where or else I'll ask you to stand corrected.

 

Hulk begged to be let go, THEN became a soldier FOR apoc, as in working for him as an underling.

 

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Apocalypse_(En_Sabah_Nur)

 

No he didn't, Apoc never owned the Hulk last time and the only time. Hulk told him to let go and he did! Where do you get this owning easily thing from?

And let's not forget, Hulk broke free of the celestial armor on his own and Apoc had no control over the Hulk in doing so so in that respect, Hulk defeated Apoc in the end.

 

1) Couldn't find Apoc being stronger than an angered Hulk.

2) This isn't canon. Only comics are. Most comic fans will say this. The stories of our herors/villains are in the comics, not sites.

 

Ok let's go off the ONLY encounter they had, where Apoc decimated hulk......

We're going round and round here....

 

No we're not going around in circles. Apoc did nothing to the Hulk except for an advantage. Hulk still seemed to have alot left in him and a sudden spark of anger could have changed the whole confrontation, something you guys aren't respecting the Hulk for.

 

But cannon is WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED in the comic right?

So Apocalypse chokes Hulk until Hulk begs to be let go. Then Hulk serves Apoc as a member of his four horsemen, after he gets a power-up from apoc.

 

Hulk begging.... hysterical!

Nothing showed Hulk begging, just telling Apoc to let go. Remember the Blob incident where Hulk couldn't lift the Blob and the Blob was making fun of Hulk. What was Hulk doing? Well, while still trying to lift the Blob, he was telling the Blob to stop making fun of him. Was he begging or crying while doing so? Then what happened at the end? Hulk got ticked enough and was able to lift the Blob and throw him pretty far away. Perhaps the same thing could have happened to Apoc (or something similar with an increased rage in the Hulk).

Didn't Hulk willingly serve as a horseman?

Didn't Hulk, on his own, break free of the cel armor and free himself of Apoc (which kinda shows that Hulk won the war over Apoc since Apoc wanted Hulk as a horseman and Hulk freed himself from that).

 

the hulk can survive in spac?! he does it all the time, as for the apoc vs. hulk one time incident there wasent even a fight just a little eh, and the hulk chose to join apoc he wasent forced too.

 

the hulk CHOSE to be a servant of apocalypse. You go on about hat COULD of happened, but what ACTUALLY happened was apoc choking hulk where hulk couldn't break free. The size of the font demonstrated hulk was not shouting or anything and asking, not ordering to be let go. Hulk doesn't have manners, but wouldn't order or shout at apoc.

So it's Apoc 1 - 0 Hulk, until you show me a comic where hulk can even land a single attack on apoc.....

 

Are you ******ed? Really, are you? You're starting to sound worse than Toby here?

Apoc never beat Hulk. Hulk told him to let go. Apoc did. How canit be any clearer? Where, oh where, did Hulk beg? How, oh how, does this equal to Apoc beating Hulk?

My gosh, man, Hulk allowed himself to be a subserviant. Allowed! And he broke free when he wanted to at the end and so since this equals to Apoc not being able to keep Hulk as a subserviant (which is what he was trying to do), Hulk wins, meaning Hulk 1 - 0 Apoc.

 

Of course, but try telling this to these people who hate the Hulk.

 

So hulk walking away beats apoc, when apoc stangling hulk, where his struggles make him unable to break free doesn't count as a win?

Seriously, that doesn't make sense!

(atacking the poster is the last example of a failed argument btw)

 

thats the only one thats the problem there was no good fight thats why this bored was made. we can speculate all we want until a writer decides hey how about we make a hulk vs apoc comic storyline, hmmmm that would be awsome.

 

Um, you've kinda attacked me already in your wording, guy, so don't play innocent here!

And yes, Hulk walking away proves he won because of the nature of the battle. Apoc had the advantage in the physical battle, I never denied this, but the battle was never finished so nobody can be declared the winner.

 

but still there is one factor apoc had something the hulk needed so he joind him, I realy couldnt tell if the hulk was loosing there skirmish or not becaus it didnt last that long.

 

I just think we need the comic to happen I need the number for marevel...stop the presses fan goodness on the way.

 

Advantage doesn't = a win. And you do know from the examples I gave with the Blob that Hulk could have turned it around at any point? t:

 

You also said that War and remembrance was a "what if" even though it's one of the more memorable moments of Hulk history....

 

What are you talking about? Can you quote me where I said that?