Hulk VS DC ?????

[Gimili]

Originally posted by Spider-Hulk
Thats utter rubbish, you cannot physically crush a Black Hole, not even Galactus could do that using his bare hands. As for Hulk holding up a mountain what STRONGEST said earlier about Hulks strength Augmentation is correct, so there is no need for me to go over that old ground. Fact is DC heroes are way over-pumped.

Then I say that because the Hulk's strength augmentation is based on adrenaline, his body can't pump enough of it for him to lift more than several times his body weight.

I beg to differ. I think that the Hulk could hang with some DC heroes, what about Hulk vs. Batman??? Realistically who should win that?

In a slugfest, the Hulk would win. But if it were the Savage Hulk, Batman would just duck out of sight, wait for him to calm down and revert to Banner, and punch him out.

If DC heroes were powered on lines simmilar to Marvel Hulk could take some of them.

If Superman was powered according to Marvel's class 100 system,
yeah, I agree that the Hulk would beat him. He might give the Hulk trouble due to having more manueverability in mid-air, but he'd still get his clock cleaned.

But this shouldn't even be brought up. You have to argue about how characters are according to their respective companies, not how one company or the other would handle all of them.

You ever heard of the animated DC Universe that was created by Paul Dini and Bruce Timm? The Hulk would destroy that version of Superman.

That's hogwash, Hulk can change his strength level with his anger levels, Iron Man is a guy in a super-battlesuit, he can take a few punches, but not a barrage of them.

No, but this still proves that if the Hulk can't any madder, he can't get any stronger either.

Thor is a god for goodness sake.

That means nothing. Being a god doesn't mean you can beat any mortal. Well, at least not in a comic book. Wonder Woman is a demigod, but she still can't seem to beat Superman, who is mortal.

Don't under-estimate Savage Banner, he is slightly tougher than a normal man, he was able to KO 2 guards at the asylum at the assylum where he was held prisoner.

In No Man's Land, Batman took out a number of trained fighters, one at a time. Only one of them even made him break a sweat. Hell, most of them were taken out with one blow. Batman also knows a number of nerve strikes. With them, one could kill with a single blow (as shown in Knightquest) if he or she desires. Batman could also beat the Savage Hulk the same way a hunter or wrestler can beat a crocodile or bear unarmed: by tripping him up and putting him in a hold that both hurts and incapacitates him.

Plus, being "slightly tougher than a normal man" is very suspect. Does that mean that he's tougher than a peak human or just tougher than the average human? In any event, he edges Batman out in strength alone at best. Even then, he's not much stronger. When you factor in the primitiveness of Savage Banner, he's not going to beat somebody like Batman, Captain America, Daredevil, or the Punisher.

Hulk can survive in the vacuum of space, and GL can't really drain Hulk if he is enraged, he would simply replace the lost power, since Hulk's abilities are based on his unlimited strength.

The Hulk can survive in space, but so what? GL can just leave him to float in limbo. It's not like to win a fight, you've got to kill the opposition. But just for fun, GL could attack the Hulk without him being able to fight back. Besides, if the doesn't float into a planetary atmosphere before he inevetably reverts to Banner, he's out of luck.

Your idea of the Hulk replacing his lost gamma rays seems to rely on GL just standing there and waiting for the Hulk to increase his anger after the initial drain. It's gonna be really hard to come back
from being turned into a scrawny scientist.

Besides, a squad of constructs can be attacking and distracting the Hulk from all sides, making the replacement of the gamma even harder.

Surfer has took Hulk punches, but there are issues where the Hulk has knocked Surfer flying.

Being launched is very different from being hurt. Superman launched Doomsday with a punch in the early stages of their first battle, but he still couldn't hurt him until the last few rounds of fighting.

No offense Gimili, but you seem to be playing down the Hulk quite a bit.

No, I am not. I am merely judging him according to how he is portrayed. Simple as that.

 

[Guyverjay]

Besides, a squad of constructs can be attacking and distracting the Hulk from all sides, making the replacement of the gamma even harder.

I don't agree with that statement at all, the more you hit the hulk the more pissed hes going to be which would actually aid in his gamma resurgence.

Plus Hulk has face gamma draining before and has laughed in its face because he body reproduces it faster as he gets more and more annoyed. The only time its actually worked is when the surfer has done it and that because as a power cosmic being, he is the master of all forms of energy.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Originally posted by Spider-Hulk
Hulk vs Regular Thor is one where if they fought to a standstill I would put my money on the Hulk, now King Thor is a different matter, hed win, now because I am just getting back into the Hulk comic can some1 answer a couple of questions?

1. When did Thor become King Thor?
2. Does Thor have his own title?
3. What about his membership of the Avengers?

Thor became King Thor when Odin died battling Surtur, an ancient fire demon. Thor goes through a period of mourning for a few issues of his comic, then in #45 (I think), he finally takes up the reins as Lord of Asgard.

Thor does have his own title. In fact, it was the only title following his kingship of Asgard. Avengers presented him in his old costume without mention of Odin's death for some time. I'm not sure whether they've corrected that yet, since I stopped reading Avengers when it started sucking a while back.

His membership in the Avengers has been strained lately, considering he's taken an Authority-esque approach to superheroism these days. Thor's decided that Odin was wrong in withdrawing the Asgardian gods from Earth during the Vikings' time to allow mankind to fend for itself rather than become dependent on gods. Thor believes that mankind has proven that it needs guidance, so he relocated Asgard from its home dimension to the sky right over Manhattan. Iron Man went to talk to Thor about his newly proactive measures when Thor's actions in a Balkan (I think) nation threatened to spark a war, but Thor wouldn't listen. So Iron Man uses an Asgardian power reactor Thor had set up on Earth to create a suit of armor powered by Asgardian means. It proves to be almost a match for Thor (who is very, very new to Odin's powers and has yet to master them in any degree). Captain America eventually tries to intercede, but gets knocked flat on his butt (and Thor's new strength is shown to be markedly increased compared to his pre-Odinforce strength, as he actually DENTS Cap's indestructible shield!). The battle ends in a draw when Dr. Doom intercedes and offers a surprisingly diplomatic solution. I forgot what the solution was, though. Either way, the fact that Thor tossed Iron Man and Cap around isn't gonna bode well for his future involvement in the Avengers.

Really interesting stuff is going on in Thor's book now. If you're into politics or mythology or just generally good reads, try a few issues out. The book just got the Lai brothers as artists, too, and they're phenomenal.

 

[Spider-Hulk]

Originally posted by Gimili
Then I say that because the Hulk's strength augmentation is based on adrenaline, his body can't pump enough of it for him to lift more than several times his body weight.

That is such a stupid statement I was not planning on doing it justice with a response, but I will anyway, The Savage Hulk weighs about 1,040lbs, in the Secret Wars he held up a mountain for pitys sake, I should imagine a mountain weighs considerably more than 1,040lbs......As for Hulk not being able to pump adrenaline?! Where have you been, another dimension? Hulk and rage go together like Bacon and Eggs. He can pump adrenaline like a road rage driver can pump the horn!!!

Originally posted by Gimili
In a slugfest, the Hulk would win. But if it were the Savage Hulk, Batman would just duck out of sight, wait for him to calm down and revert to Banner, and punch him out.

If Batman ran and hid, I say two things would happen based on previous Hulk actions in such situations....
1. The Hulk would wreck the place trying to find him. OR
2. Hed get fed up and just leap away.
In any case Bats would not punch anybody out.

Originally posted by Gimili
If Superman was powered according to Marvel's class 100 system,yeah, I agree that the Hulk would beat him. He might give the Hulk trouble due to having more manueverability in mid-air, but he'd still get his clock cleaned.

But this shouldn't even be brought up. You have to argue about how characters are according to their respective companies, not how one company or the other would handle all of them.

I agree, I just lost the plot a little earlier.

Originally posted by Gimili
That means nothing. Being a god doesn't mean you can beat any mortal. Well, at least not in a comic book. Wonder Woman is a demigod, but she still can't seem to beat Superman, who is mortal.

I beg to differ, it has a lot to do with it, Thor cannot die, he has the durability of a God, which means he is really really tough, which explains how Hulk has never actually KO'ed Thor. True Thor has struggled in battles with the Hulk but that was due to strength being un-equal, Hulk is stronger, which is how he was quite able to dominate fights. BTW Superman may as well be a God considering all his other powers, he is only lacking one thing a God has and thats immortality.

Originally posted by Gimili
In No Man's Land, Batman took out a number of trained fighters, one at a time. Only one of them even made him break a sweat. Hell, most of them were taken out with one blow. Batman also knows a number of nerve strikes. With them, one could kill with a single blow (as shown in Knightquest) if he or she desires. Batman could also beat the Savage Hulk the same way a hunter or wrestler can beat a crocodile or bear unarmed: by tripping him up and putting him in a hold that both hurts and incapacitates him.

No way would Batman kill the Savage Hulk, Grey Hulk or any other Hulk with one of them nerve blows, the skin is too thick and tough besides there is the healing factor to consider, Damage as minor as that is healed instantly after it happens. If you mean that Batman could put the Hulk in a hold, you must be kidding Batman does not have nearly enough strength to keep the Hulk down.

Originally posted by Gimili
Plus, being "slightly tougher than a normal man" is very suspect. Does that mean that he's tougher than a peak human or just tougher than the average human? In any event, he edges Batman out in strength alone at best. Even then, he's not much stronger. When you factor in the primitiveness of Savage Banner, he's not going to beat somebody like Batman, Captain America, Daredevil, or the Punisher.

Savage Banner was shown to be tougher than a normal human, he would not stand up to a peak Human like Captain America. In terms of taking on skilled fighters like those you mentioned, Savage Banner would get his butt whooped, as hed get it whooped by the Bat, as he wouldnt have the toughness or strength to beat them.

Originally posted by Gimili
The Hulk can survive in space, but so what? GL can just leave him to float in limbo. It's not like to win a fight, you've got to kill the opposition. But just for fun, GL could attack the Hulk without him being able to fight back. Besides, if the doesn't float into a planetary atmosphere before he inevetably reverts to Banner, he's out of luck.

Your idea of the Hulk replacing his lost gamma rays seems to rely on GL just standing there and waiting for the Hulk to increase his anger after the initial drain. It's gonna be really hard to come back
from being turned into a scrawny scientist.

Besides, a squad of constructs can be attacking and distracting the Hulk from all sides, making the replacement of the gamma even harder.

He would be out of Luck if he reverted to Banner in space yes, as for that construct theory, I agree with guyverjay, the Hulk would get so mad by the attacks, hed be mega strong and as he said Hulk has shrugged off Gamma Drains before. As he can replace it quicker than its drained. But sometimes it does work, as in the case of the Silver Surfer, that one time. Also how would the Hulk not fight back against the GL??

Originally posted by Gimili
No, I am not. I am merely judging him according to how he is portrayed. Simple as that.

Well if thats true its the most inaccurate portrayel of the Hulk I have ever encountered.

As for that launching and hurting thing. I reckon he didnt hurt the surfer, because of the Surfers Cosmic powers which are multiple and very diverse, so probably, but there was an occasion where Surfer stopped a Hulk punch.(hed been gamma drained earlier, and the surfer was using that power hed drained) In any case Hulk is one tough chap, and it takes a lot to put him down or knock him out, a hell of a lot!

 

[Spider-Hulk]

Originally posted by Spider-Hulk
Thor cannot die

He can die, just not at the hands of a Mortal. Like corpulent1 mentioned about Odin, it would take another god or a demon or something "Divine" To kill a god.

 

[STRONGEST]

Originally posted by Gimili
Superman has crushed a black hole. That makes the mountain that the Hulk lifted look like a speck in stratosphere. It was also said years back that the martians can all outright destroy mountains.

C´mon man that´s the kind of bad writting I am talking about!!!

Anytime a fan of a character is impressed by him lifting a mountain, it only proves that he can't hang with DC heroes.

Your fanboy version of the Hulk seems to rely on your opponent not bringing up any fight the Hulk has participated in.

 

[Gimili]

Originally posted by Spider-Hulk
That is such a stupid statement I was not planning on doing it justice with a response, but I will anyway, The Savage Hulk weighs about 1,040lbs, in the Secret Wars he held up a mountain for pitys sake, I should imagine a mountain weighs considerably more than 1,040lbs......As for Hulk not being able to pump adrenaline?! Where have you been, another dimension? Hulk and rage go together like Bacon and Eggs. He can pump adrenaline like a road rage driver can pump the horn!!!

I mean that according to science, the Hulk's adrenaline rush should not be able to make him that strong. It should only enablle
him to lift several times his own body weight (over 1000 lbs.). That's the limit of adrenaline. Scientific mistakes are just littered throughout comics.

If Batman ran and hid, I say two things would happen based on previous Hulk actions in such situations.

1. The Hulk would wreck the place trying to find him.

Which wouldn't enable him to find Bats, since he's proven himself capable of moving about without being seen. And while Batman wouldn't like to see the Hulk kill people, he wouldn't have to wait long, since the Hulk's attention span isn't that long. Or he can disguise himself, pretend to be the Hulk's friend, and chat with him until he reverts to Banner.

2. Hed get fed up and just leap away.

That would be inadvisable. This would give Batman the prep time to use his micro-nanites from JLA: Tower of Babel to send the Hulk into virtual reality dreamland.

I agree, I just lost the plot a little earlier.

Okay.

I beg to differ, it has a lot to do with it, Thor cannot die, he has the durability of a god, which means he is really, really tough, which explains how Hulk has never actually KO'ed Thor. True Thor has struggled in battles with the Hulk but that was due to strength becoming un-equal, Hulk is stronger, which is how he was quite able to dominate fights.

The gods are not portrayed as being that powerful, save some exceptions. The Juggernaut nearly knocked Thor out. It's also pointless to bring up immortality. Just because you can't die doesn't mean you can't be knocked out.

BTW Superman may as well be a god considering his other powers, he is only lacking one thing a god has and that's immortality.

Superman is proof that the theory that godhood=unbeatability is false.

No way would Batman kill the Savage Hulk, Grey Hulk or any other Hulk with them nerve blows.

I made a mistake somewhere. I meant to type, "Savage Banner,"
not "Savage Hulk." Sorry.

Savage Banner was shown to be tougher than a normal huma, he would not stand up to a peak human like Captain America. In terms of taking on those skilled fighters you mentioned, Savage Banner would get his butt whooped, as he'd get it whooped by the Bat, as he wouldn't have the toughness or strength to beat them.

He would be out of luck if he reverted to Banner in space yes, as for the construct theory, I agree with Guyverjay, the Hulk would get so mad by the attacks, hed be mega strong and as he said Hulk has shrugged off gamma drains before. As he can replace it quicker than its drained. But sometimes it does work, as
in the case of the Silver Surfer, that one time. Also how would the Hulk not fight back against the GL.

Alright, I'll drop the construct argument. How is the Hulk going to replace the gamma rays once he's gotten as mad as he can in a typical battle? And besides, GL has shown in the past that he can construct the entire JLA. The Hulk is up against multiple copies of Superman, the Flash, GL, Wonder Woman, and the Martian Manhunter.

But why bother? GL takes the Hulk into space. Fight over.

Well if thats true its the most inaccurate portrayel of the Hulk I have ever encountered.

Actually, I refer to how he is consistently portrayed over the years.

 

[Spider-Hulk]

Originally posted by Gimili
Which wouldn't enable him to find Bats, since he's proven himself capable of moving about without being seen. And while Batman wouldn't like to see the Hulk kill people, he wouldn't have to wait long, since the Hulk's attention span isn't that long. Or he can disguise himself, pretend to be the Hulk's friend, and chat with him until he reverts to Banner.

LOL...Depends on the incarnation of the Hulk, he may be able to pull that off on the Savage Hulk, but against say the Grey Hulk, there is no way hed be suckered like that as Grey Hulk has the intelligence of a Teenage Bruce Banner, and that is a lot of brain power, as Bruce was and is very clever. I still say that the Savage Hulk would either trash the place(I never said hed actually find Batman) or hed just leap away. The Grey Hulk would probably force Batman out using bait, hed probably hold a civillian hostage as G-Hulks morals are somewhat loose, Bats would then have to emerge and hed get KOed.

But this dont prove anything its all hypothetical. Just possibilities as to what could happen.

Originally posted by Gimili
That would be inadvisable. This would give Batman the prep time to use his micro-nanites from JLA: Tower of Babel to send the Hulk into virtual reality dreamland.

Uh....when I say the Hulk leaps away, I mean miles, hed be long gone, and then it wouldnt be Batmans problem, Hulk can travel a hell of a distance in a single leap, hes even leapt into low orbit on occasion.

Originally posted by Gimili
The gods are not portrayed as being that powerful, save some exceptions. The Juggernaut nearly knocked Thor out. It's also pointless to bring up immortality. Just because you can't die doesn't mean you can't be knocked out.

Juggernaut is not a god but he has the powers of one, hence how he beat up Thor. Also I do agree, gods are not portrayed as that powerful. Thats true about the immortality thing and I agree with you there 100%.

Originally posted by Gimili
Superman is proof that the theory that godhood=unbeatability is false.

Supes doesnt get a pummeling that often though, and also he is super-powerful, I would say he is one of the most powerful charecters in comic book history.

Originally posted by Gimili
How is the Hulk going to replace the gamma rays once he's gotten as mad as he can in a typical battle?

Depends on the battle, Hulks Strength works very much on the principle, of need=use. He gets the strength that he needs, so If he fights an enemy stronger than him he would get the amount of strength necessary to match up to that enemy. Like the mountain, his strength didnt "build-up" he just caught it. The Mandarins castle, he ripped it up! Hulks Strength gives him the amount necessary for the fight. If he fights somebody weaker than him its unlikely he will get any stronger, its a sunconscious thing pretty much, tied in with his rage. Teh Hulk does not have a "Typical" rage.

Originally posted by Gimili
GL takes the Hulk into space. Fight over.

That would be a very boring fight though.

 

[Guyverjay]

If marvel gave Hulk the ability to fly he would win alot more of these Vs threads I tell you

Why do virtually all DC's metahuman heroes have the ability to fly? It like the most over used power ever.

 

[STRONGEST]

Originally posted by Gimili
Superman has crushed a black hole. That makes the mountain that the Hulk lifted look like a speck in stratosphere. It was also said years back that the martians can all outright destroy mountains.

Anytime a fan of a character is impressed by him lifting a mountain, it only proves that he can't hang with DC heroes.

Your fanboy version of the Hulk seems to rely on your opponent not bringing up any fight the Hulk has participated in.

1.- Nobody physically could crush a black hole, that´s the bad writting I was talking about man! If DC hired a total geek to do that storyline you should at least be smart enough to protest about it! Because only makes Superman fans look like a bunch of mindless zombies man!

2.- Acording to the who´s who in DC Superman can only lift 3000,000,000 kilos for all I know, and The mountain you mention it was a lot heavier than that!!! 15 billions of tons or somethin like that!!(writting stupid storylines like the black hole isn´t the right way to increase a Hero strenght)

3.-The HULK participated in Marvel vs DC # 3 where the winner was choosed by voting, althought Superman himself said. "HE(The Hulk) TOOK EVERYTHING I HAD AND ALMOST STOOD UP TO IT") So how about that for a fight where HULK has participated recently

 

[STRONGEST]

Originally posted by TheCorpulent1
The fight's looked to be in favor of both in just about every fight. They're basically perfectly matched. Even if Thor pisses the Hulk off enough that the Hulk's strength leaps beyond Thor's, Thor still has a multitude of other abilities at his disposal besides strength. Plus Thor's got his warrior madness, which heightens his strength and makes him practically unstoppable. If someone put out a one-shot Hulk vs. Thor comic, it'd have to be oversized or a mini-series just to cover the sheer amount of time these two would be fighting. They could go forever.

Except now, King Thor would smash the Hulk pretty easily.

agree, except for the last part, probably the HULK would struggle a little but if he´d get mad enough he could give King Thor a hell of a fight too!!

 

[jan walenta]

In a physical battle I don't care how much of the Odin power Thor uses Hulk would overcome his strength by getting stronger and pound him. Unless King thor used his Godblast with full odin force I don't see King Thor winning.

 

[Spider-Hulk]

I agree with jw on that score guys. He took the words right outta my mouth.

 

[Gimili]

Originally posted by Spider-Hulk
LOL...Depends on the incarnation of the Hulk, he may be able to pull that off on the Savage Hulk, but against say the Grey Hulk, there is no way hed be suckered like that as Grey Hulk has the intelligence of a Teenage Bruce Banner, and that is a lot of brain power, as Bruce was and is very clever. I still say that the Savage Hulk would either trash the place(I never said hed actually find Batman) or hed just leap away. The Grey Hulk would probably force Batman out using bait, hed probably hold a civillian hostage as G-Hulks morals are somewhat loose, Bats would then have to emerge and hed get KOed.

But this dont prove anything its all hypothetical. Just possibilities as to what could happen.

A disguise would definitely work on the Savage Hulk. His childlike nature makes him very vulnerable to it.

The Gray Hulk is very immature. That makes him susceptible to a disguise. Wolverine suckered him in this manner. Although it might be better to follow him around instead, since the Gray Hulk doesn't transform until sunrise.

Although I agree that if he gets a hostage, the Gray Hulk would probably win.

Uhh...when I say the Hulk leaps away, I mean miles, hed be long gone, and then it wouldn't even be Batman's problem, Hulk can travel a hell of a distance in a single leap, he's even leapt into low orbit on occasion.

Batman can track the Hulk down in the Batplane, then launch the micro-nanites into the Hulk's head.

Juggernaut is not a god but he has the powers of one, hence how he beat up Thor. Also, I do agree, gods are not portrayed as that powerful. Thats true about the immortality thing
and I agree with you there 100%.

I don't know if the Juggernaut has the powers of a god. I always heard that he only had a fraction of Cyttorak's power. The War Hulk, thanks to his mystical empowerment, was able to kick the crap out of Juggy.

Regarding gods, the thing to remember is that they are not omnipotent. That's only with beliefs that had but one god. In fact,
Marvel actually made Thor and Odin more powerful than their Norse counterparts.

Depends on the battle, Hulks strength works very much on the principle of need=use.

Alright, but draining the Hulk is not the only thing GL can do to him. He can also make a small construct dagger, send it into the Hulk's head, and cut up his brain. The Hulk will now be unconscious as he heals the brain. Even a split second would be too late.

That would be a very boring fight though.

True, but it's an effective solution, since we're not interested in developing an intricate plot.

Couldn't Dr. Doom stop kidding around and drop a nuke on the 4 Freedoms Plaza? Yes, but that would also be a bad story.

 

[Spider-Hulk]

Originally posted by Gimili
The Gray Hulk is very immature. That makes him susceptible to a disguise. Wolverine suckered him in this manner. Although it might be better to follow him around instead, since the Gray Hulk doesn't transform until sunrise.

The GrEy Hulk is immature but that is only because he represents a teenage Dr Banner. The disguise theory worked with Wolverine because the Grey Hulk had only encounterd Wolverine once before, and wolvey was in his X-men suit at the time. But there were occasions when he nearly twigged who it was after their first encounter, when Grey Hulk did figure out, he beat up Wolverine, the two of them had just destroyed a drugs factory I believe.

But remember the Grey Hulk is very cunning, and what he lacks in starting strength and other strength related abilities(compared with the Green Hulk). He makes up in ruthlessness and Brains. Like the time he fought Abomination, he said Grey Hulk was not as impressive as the Green Savage Hulk, and this made Grey Hulk mad, he lifted a vat of acid and poured it all over the Abomination nearly killing him. I say Grey Hulk would mangle the Bat.

Originally posted by Gimili
Batman can track the Hulk down in the Batplane, then launch the micro-nanites into the Hulk's head.

No guarantee that Bats would be able to keep up with Hulk or track him, especially if he reverted to Banner, the Hulk can keep a low profile if he wants, but remember the Hulk can turn nasty if he is pursued by enemies as he "just wants to be left alone" so if bats did follow hed have to be prepared to face a very angry hulk.

Originally posted by Gimili
I don't know if the Juggernaut has the powers of a god. I always heard that he only had a fraction of Cyttorak's power. The War Hulk, thanks to his mystical empowerment, was able to kick the crap out of Juggy.

War did put a stompin on Juggs yes, but the guy on here who can tell you about Juggernaut is jan walenta he knows quite a bit IMO about Juggernaut, so if u are reading this jan, tell us about Juggernaut. Not the 8th day Juggernaut either. The "normal" Juggernaut.

Hulk vs GL is a crap fight, GL has all those powers there is no way Hulk can stand up to them its far too one sided. so I dont intend to debate that, GL wins. Although the Silver Surfer could beat the GL I know that for sure.

Originally posted by Gimili
Couldn't Dr. Doom stop kidding around and drop a nuke on the 4 Freedoms Plaza? Yes, but that would also be a bad story.

He could, but Reed is a fairly clever guy and has a lot of devices, so he could probably protect the city from Dr Doom's nuke attack, using a force field, repelling beams, or some other high tech gadget.

 

[jan walenta]

Normal Juggernuat is roughly a little stronger than the Hulk is at Hulks base strength. At normal levels Juggernaut is no different than Hulk is excpet he has better Durability. War HUlk pounded on a normally powered Juggernaut for the most part coming off of a massive power up. Juggernaut could if he had the will to tap into it have the power of a skyfather level magical god but because Juggernaut is content with the power he has normally he usually doesn't use the upper level of his tremendous power. Juggernuat normal power level are only a mere fraction of what he is capable of but Juggy doesn't care to or have the will to try and tap further into his power.

But on the same token Hulk has incarnation's who haven't be allowed to take over yet who would make Mindless or Savage Hulk's power minor in comparison. The Beast or Guilt Hulk who has only been seen a couple of times when Inside of Banners mind had to be held back by Fixit, Savage and Prof Hulk so he couldn't take over. I have heard that the Beast if Unleashed would possess power beyond any we have seen from any Hulk.

 

[Superman]

Superman would kick Hulks butt all over the place.

 

[jan walenta]

I think not!!! Hulk beats superman anyday of the week. Don't you get it HULK IS THE STRONGEST ONE THERE IS!!!

 

[Spider-Hulk]

What about all of Supermans other powers jan, that guy is over-pumped and wins way to much.....by the way thanx for the summary about Juggernaut.

 

[web-slinger]

Originally posted by Gimili
Batman can track the Hulk down in the Batplane, then launch the micro-nanites into the Hulk's head.

Micro-nanites? Does Batman have those? Dang, that guy has everything!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[jan walenta]

Superman does have alot of powers, but some of these other incarnations of the Hulk are supposed to have power unseen by any other Hulk. The beast in banner's mind was the most dominant personality it took three core personalities to keep him at bey.

 

[Guyverjay]

The guilt Hulk is scary

But what about the DEVIL HULK?

 

[JINoside]

Both are scary.........

 

[jan walenta]

Yes but even the Devil Hulk tried to get Bruce to free him saying that Bruce needed to free him to take down the Guilt Hulk forever. That being said it makes me wonder just how powerful Guilt Hulk would be if he ever took over and actually came out. Being in Bruces mind he was a giant that the other personalities quite frankly feared. In my opinion I don't think he could be stopped, he definitley looks to be more powerful than Maestro as Meastro is the future of the Merged Hulk I believe Guilt Hulk or Beast seems to be the powerhouse of the Hulk so powerful Bruce and the other personalities are afraid of letting him take control.

Even the Devil Hulk said the Guilt Hulks power is too great and all personalities were needed to take him down. But Devil Hulk also told Bruce he would destroy everything he holds dear so who knows Devil Hulk would probably turn out helping Guilt Hulk take over.

 

[Guyverjay]

For the other Hulk's to be scared the beast must be a powerhouse. The Hulk has never been scared of anyone.

It reminds of the time when the beyonder said the Hulk's true power is infinite.