The Avengers Hulk Vs Thor - The Movie Edition

I would say popularity was a big factor, despite them being out around the same time, Hulk has always been the more popular character. Until possibly now.

Now that's the truth, it's not even up for discussion and I think Hulk's still far more popular that Thor depsite the fact that his solo filmgrossed almost twice as much as both Hulk films.

And, again, I was never in favor of ditching the classic Hulk powers for this uber-90's kool healing factor.

I agree with you ArtTeacher, I'd rather see Hulk portrayed with a very tough hide than a "wolverine-like" healing factor.
 
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Now that's the truth, it's not even up for discussion and I think Hulk's still far more popular that Thor depsite the fact that his solo filmgrossed almost twice as much as both Hulk films.

Thor's popularity with the General public is about the spike drastically. With in 5 or 6 years he may hit Wolverine and Spiderman levels if Marvel keeps promoting him. Thor need his own Solo Animated series and it need to be renewed and updated every decade or so.


I agree with you ArtTeacher, I'd rather see Hulk portrayed with a very tough hide than a "wolverine-like" healing factor.

I like the fact that he has both. Just be glad the Hulk isn't like Lobo. Lobo was a durable as Superman and could regenerate from any cells left after completely being destroy. Plus He could also create clones from drops of his blood. :oldrazz:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lobo_(DC_Comics)#Powers_and_abilities
 
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Thor's popularity with the General public is about the spike drastically. With in 5 or 6 years he may hit Wolverine and Spiderman levels if Marvel keeps promoting him. Thor need his own Solo Animated series and it need to be renewed and updated every decade or so.

I kind of agree here .... especially with Hemsworth. He just perfectly exudes the character.
 
Thor's popularity with the General public is about the spike drastically. With in 5 or 6 years he may hit Wolverine and Spiderman levels if Marvel keeps promoting him. Thor need his own Solo Animated series and it need to be renewed and updated every decade or so.

I kind of agree here .... especially with Hemsworth. He just perfectly exudes the character.

I sure hope so guys, Thor definately should become a household name in the next few years and he's long overdue for his own animated series.
 
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I though that the Thor-Hulk fight in the Ultimates animated movie was much closer to how it would really go down.
 
I've seen people say this all the time, but no one could ever show me in print where he said this. I've read dozens of interviews with Stan where he says he wanted to make a character more powerful than the Hulk, but not "stronger".
2 seconds on google
from Excelsior!: The Amazing Life of Stan Lee

I wanted to come up with something totally different. I thought it would fun to invent someone as powerful as, or perhaps even more powerful than, the Incredible Hulk. But how do you make someone stronger than the strongest person? It finally came to me: Don't make him human — make him a god. I decided readers were already pretty familiar with the Greek and Roman gods. It might be fun to delve into the old Norse legends... Besides, I pictured Norse gods looking like Vikings of old, with the flowing beards, horned helmets, and battle clubs. ...Journey into Mystery needed a shot in the arm, so I picked Thor ... to headline the book. After writing an outline depicting the story and the characters I had in mind, I asked my brother, Larry, to write the script because I didn't have time. ...and it was only natural for me to assign the penciling to Jack Kirby
 
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I though that the Thor-Hulk fight in the Ultimates animated movie was much closer to how it would really go down.

Nah, Hulk picked up Mjolnir (which is stupid) and Thor was knocked out with one blow (which is also stupid).

Thor and Hulk are suppose to be able to take each others blows for extended periods of times, not one of them being knocked out by one attack (even from Moljnir).
 
Nah, Hulk picked up Mjolnir (which is stupid) and Thor was knocked out with one blow (which is also stupid).

Thor and Hulk are suppose to be able to take each others blows for extended periods of times, not one of them being knocked out by one attack (even from Moljnir).

Yeah, it was quite stupid. Even with it being the fake/artificial hammer.
 
Nah, Hulk picked up Mjolnir (which is stupid) and Thor was knocked out with one blow (which is also stupid).

Thor and Hulk are suppose to be able to take each others blows for extended periods of times, not one of them being knocked out by one attack (even from Moljnir).

I thought it was much better than the Hulk vs Thor animated movie, where Hulk used Thor for a punching bag the whole time. I do agree that Hulk should not have been able to lift Mjolnir.
 
Nah, Hulk picked up Mjolnir (which is stupid) and Thor was knocked out with one blow (which is also stupid).

Thor and Hulk are suppose to be able to take each others blows for extended periods of times, not one of them being knocked out by one attack (even from Moljnir).

That irritated me. I wanted a show down but those matches are always so one sided. Even if the hulk does beat Thor it should take everything the hulks has to do so and vice versa.
 
I thought it was much better than the Hulk vs Thor animated movie, where Hulk used Thor for a punching bag the whole time. I do agree that Hulk should not have been able to lift Mjolnir.

Yeah the directors of Hulk Vs. have lost my respect forever after giving us that horrible Thor vs Hulk fight scene.

I think Thor and Hulk's fight in A:EMH is their most accurate animated tussle because neither character really won, sure Hulk threw Thor at the end of the fight but he can fly so that's not really doing much.

That irritated me. I wanted a show down but those matches are always so one sided. Even if the hulk does beat Thor it should take everything the hulks has to do so and vice versa.

Agreed, Thor isn't a push over by a longshot and outside of cosmic entities he should never be reduced to a "punching bag".
 
2 seconds on google
from Excelsior!: The Amazing Life of Stan Lee
I wanted to come up with something totally different. I thought it would fun to invent someone as powerful as, or perhaps even more powerful than, the Incredible Hulk. But how do you make someone stronger than the strongest person? It finally came to me: Don't make him human — make him a god.

People bring that up all the time but from further reading and a bit of thought its pretty clear to me at least that Stan didn't originally intend to make Thor stronger than Hulk

Short Version:

More context makes it pretty clear that what Stan was really saying here wasnt:

1) I created Thor who was a God and thus could be stronger than the strongest person.

but was rather:

2) I gave up on the idea of making this new character (Thor) stand out by being the best at something (fastest, strongest, smartest) and decided that a better idea to make him unique among Marvel superheroes was to make him a God.

And when you think about it its pretty clear that the second interpretation makes a lot more sense than the first. I mean - how do you make someone stronger than the strongest human? Simple - you make him stronger. No real problem is there? Unless you still want the first guy to be the strongest. That first sentence: "I wanted to come up with something totally different" is key to Stan's dilemma.

Long Version (copied from elsewhere):

"...How do you make someone stronger than the strongest person? It finally came to me: Don't make him human — make him a god..."

This has been commonly interpreted as Stan deciding that he found a way to come up with a guy stronger than the strongest "human" character. However consider this expanded discussion from "Origins of Marvel Comics", by Stan Lee:

On the origins of the Hulk:

"I had pretty much decided to let our second Marvel-style magazine feature someone with superhuman strength. But there had been, and still were, many such characters at that time, with National Comics' Superman as the first that comes to mind. Certainly, there would be nothing terribly original about someone who had the strength of Superman. But that's where the fun came in. It would be my job to take a cliche' concept and make it seem new and fresh, exciting and relevant."

On the creation of Thor:

"Look at it this way: Suppose you had a newly created stable of superstars which consisted of a teenager who could burst into flame and fly through the air, a stretchable scientist with skin like Silly Putty, his ofttimes invisible lady love, and a multimuscled misfit with lumpy orange skin-to say nothing of a wall -crawling Wunderkind and a jolly green giant-what in the name of comicdom assembled would you do for an encore? Sure, we were always striving for variety, but now it was getting ridiculous."

He continues two paragraphs down:

"But what was left to invent? Who could be stronger than The Hulk? Who could be smarter than Mr Fantastic? We already had a kid who could fly, one who could walk on walls and ceilings, and a female who could fade away whenever danger threatened-or whenever the artist ran out of ink. As you can see, we were hooked on superlatives at that time, always trying to come up with characters who were bigger, better, stronger. However, we had painted ourselves into a corner. The only one who could top the heroes we already had would Super-God, but I didn't think the world was quite ready for that concept just yet. So, it was back to the ol' drawing board."

I think these comments give a different interpretation of the oft-quoted "how do you make someone stronger than the Hulk" dilemma. Does anyone really believe that Thor is or was intended to be smarter than Reed Richards? Does it seem like thats what Stan is saying that was his intention when he created Thor? Or is he saying that the driving idea behind making a superhero who was a God was about making him stand out as someone unique in a world populated by characters who had already claimed the title of the strongest, the smartest etc. This makes Thor unique and doesnt impinge on what made these other characters special. It also seems to match up pretty well with what he actually wrote as Jonothanos points out.

As you can see from his discussion about the Hulk his primary concern when introducing new characters to the Marvel Universe seemed to be focussed on making them "seem new and fresh". Thor being an actual God accomplished this whereas making him the strongest or smartest guy at the expense of an already established character would not.

Quotes are from http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?p=12084758
 
People bring that up all the time but from further reading and a bit of thought its pretty clear to me at least that Stan didn't originally intend to make Thor stronger than Hulk

Short Version:

More context makes it pretty clear that what Stan was really saying here wasnt:

1) I created Thor who was a God and thus could be stronger than the strongest person.

but was rather:

2) I gave up on the idea of making this new character (Thor) stand out by being the best at something (fastest, strongest, smartest) and decided that a better idea to make him unique among Marvel superheroes was to make him a God.

And when you think about it its pretty clear that the second interpretation makes a lot more sense than the first. I mean - how do you make someone stronger than the strongest human? Simple - you make him stronger. No real problem is there? Unless you still want the first guy to be the strongest. That first sentence: "I wanted to come up with something totally different" is key to Stan's dilemma.

Long Version (copied from elsewhere):

His idea was Hulk was the Stongest Person and Thor was a God. The idea was that they didn't want any other Human characters that could be as stong or stonger than the Hulk so they made a Character that was a god. That way they could make him as strong as they wanted with out taking a dump on the Hulks niche.
 
Hulk's stronger while Thor's more powerful...simple as that.
 
Even with Defenses
Thor is more Durable than the Hulk but the Hulk has a mixture of Durability and instant Healing.
 
Even with Defenses
Thor is more Durable than the Hulk but the Hulk has a mixture of Durability and instant Healing.

Yeah Thor is quite a bit more durable than Hulk, that's compensates for the fact that he doesn't have Hulk's instant regeneration.
 
His idea was Hulk was the Stongest Person and Thor was a God. The idea was that they didn't want any other Human characters that could be as stong or stonger than the Hulk so they made a Character that was a god. That way they could make him as strong as they wanted with out taking a dump on the Hulks niche.

No. If you read my post including the much more extensive commentary from Lee i think its pretty clear that what he meant was that he wanted to make a character about as powerful as the Hulk but he wanted to make him unique.

If he really made Thor a God just so that Hulk could still be the strongest human being then why not just make him an alien like Superman or an Inhuman, or an Atlantean? Problem solved right? But that wasnt the problem Stan was trying to solve. The point was that he "wanted to do something different" and his problem was "what was left to invent? Who could be stronger than The Hulk? Who could be smarter than Mr Fantastic?". i.e. There was nowhere left to go in terms of selling a new character by being "the bestest" at something. Making Thor a God was the twist - it wasnt a mealy-mouthed way of appeasing people who were already fans of the Hulk.
 
Even with Defenses
Thor is more Durable than the Hulk but the Hulk has a mixture of Durability and instant Healing.

Thor has way more MP plus his limit breaker does 500+ electricity damage. Hulk levels up faster, but Gamma Rage doesn't do any elemental damage (unless you equip the Phoenix Bracers).

:whatever:
 
Who said they would fight
Didn't JW hint at it?


And look, I'm just as much a fan of both - simply put, Hulk is stronger, has INSTANT healing and he gets stronger the madder he gets. The only way Thor could beat Hulk is if Hulk didn't care for the fight or if he wanted to lose. If Hulk goes berserk, nothing can stop him.

That said, I have a feeling their fight won't really drive Hulk over the edge, and that Thor will be the one to get more angry. The battle will probably end in a stalemate though, with Thor dishing out MORE hits but Hulk dishing out more damaging hits.
 
Didn't JW hint at it?


And look, I'm just as much a fan of both - simply put, Hulk is stronger, has INSTANT healing and he gets stronger the madder he gets. The only way Thor could beat Hulk is if Hulk didn't care for the fight or if he wanted to lose. If Hulk goes berserk, nothing can stop him.

That said, I have a feeling their fight won't really drive Hulk over the edge, and that Thor will be the one to get more angry. The battle will probably end in a stalemate though, with Thor dishing out MORE hits but Hulk dishing out more damaging hits.

Thor has a berserker state called "Warriors Madness" and it increases his strength ten fold so he's pretty unstoppable when he goes berserker as well.

That would be a pretty satisfying way for the fight to go down, I hope both of them is able to draw blood from each other showing that they're able to hurt each other.
 
Didn't JW hint at it?


And look, I'm just as much a fan of both - simply put, Hulk is stronger, has INSTANT healing and he gets stronger the madder he gets. The only way Thor could beat Hulk is if Hulk didn't care for the fight or if he wanted to lose. If Hulk goes berserk, nothing can stop him.

That said, I have a feeling their fight won't really drive Hulk over the edge, and that Thor will be the one to get more angry. The battle will probably end in a stalemate though, with Thor dishing out MORE hits but Hulk dishing out more damaging hits.

Not unless he gets drained or Just gets KOed by an Higher level fighter be before his strength evens out with there's strength.
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Not unless he gets drained or Just gets KOed by an Higher level fighter be before his strength evens out with there's strength.
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Just as an aside the Hulk was weakened and the SS powered up (Banner was feeding him gamma ray energy) in that brief scene and that picture with Thanos is just some fan commissioned artwork. Not even a cover. Still yes Hulk can straight out lose physical fights - like any other power the writer can choose to play up or just ignore Hulks healing, dynamic strength, durability etc for the sake of the story. And thats the thing thats going to determine who wins between two rivals as closely matched as Hulk and Thor are in the comics.
 
Hulk just gets forever stronger and even though Thor is a god I don't believe he just gets stronger and stronger two no one can beat the hulk if he is having a bad day
 

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