Infinity War Hulkamania running wild! The HULK thread

[Joefixit]

I partly agree. I just don't think Hulk has had clear cut power-ups like Thor has during the MCU run. The only time it was suggested his strength increases with rage, for me, was against Abomination.

Exactly!!

 

[Hunter Rider]

Well, I loved the movie, but to say I was disappointed in Hulk’s role is an understatement. I don’t mind the outcome of his one vs one against Thanos, but why does Iron Man need a Moon throwing at him and Hulk just needs a few punches to be taken out?

Also, again, I accept what happened in the opening scene, but after that Hulk needed his hero moment, and him never getting it when everyone else did (even Vision [BLACKOUT]got to kill Corvus and tried to sacrifice himself for the greater good.[/BLACKOUT]), felt like a kick in the teeth..

People keep saying he will get it in the next movie, but I don’t think it will be as epic as some are making out, as CM will Be the new power house now, whilst Hulk will likely be embarrassed again to show how powerful she is.

I will say though, I don’t think Hulk was ‘scared’ to come back out, I think there is another reason, and I hope he is saving himself for a re-match with Thanos where he fared much better, but I doubt we will see it.

The next movie will probably be close to the 3 hours long, there will be time for Hulk and Captain Marvel to have big power moments, they haven't started this arc for Hulk without already having a pay-off planned where he'll get to do something heroic and awesome. Do I think he'll beat Thanos? No, this isn't WWE, I don't think he'll get his win back so to speak, but he'll have his spotlight.

What this thread is becoming...

When Thor and Hulk fanboys start writing essays about would would win a fictional fight, it's time to duck for cover.

 

[ernesth100]

We need a scene of Thanos breaking the planet and Hulk holding it together.

 

[Iceman]

Spoiler

Thor was not scared of Thanos in the least, he just knew a new weapon ensured a greater chance of victory.

It's not that he was scared to face Thanos without it, he just knew he chances of winning were less likely.

Spoiler

On the ship, Thanos with just 1 stone and the Black order have wrecked Thor offscreen even though the likes of Valkyrie, Heimdall, Korg, Loki, Hulk and a bunch of Asgardians are on there. When Thor tries to fight again he gets brushed away easily.
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And when he’s talking with the Guardians about going to Knowhere to stop Thanos getting the reality stone Thor says he’s already too dangerous when he just has 2 stones. I don’t think it makes sense to say that getting the weapon would just improve his chances as delaying confronting Thanos to get the weapon means he is free to go round picking up more stones and is ultimately the reason why he is able to do the snap. If there was any chance that Thor along with the Guardians could have stopped him on Knowhere that woud definitely have been the right thing to do.

Also look at the language from Thor:

Gamora: He’ll be too powerful to stop
Thor: He already is (with just 2 stones)

Thor: I’m gonna hold it open
Eitri: That’s suicide
Thor: So is facing Thanos without that axe

Thor is saying he is absolutely no match for Thanos without Stormbreaker and there is no shame in that as the guy just decimated Ragnarok Hulk to the point of being too scared to come out. The words are pretty clear. Stormbreaker though elevates him to a whole new level.

 

[BigThor]

The next movie will probably be close to the 3 hours long, there will be time for Hulk and Captain Marvel to have big power moments, they haven't started this arc for Hulk without already having a pay-off planned where he'll get to do something heroic and awesome. Do I think he'll beat Thanos? No, this isn't WWE, I don't think he'll get his win back so to speak, but he'll have his spotlight.



When Thor and Hulk fanboys start writing essays about would would win a fictional fight, it's time to duck for cover.

No one's arguing about who will win, why do people keep saying this?

 

[BigThor]

Exactly!!

Hulk catching Thor's hammer swing and a close up of his face being visibly pissed is just as clear as his strength increasing against Abomination.

People in my theather said "Uh oh he's getting stronger and more pissed" during that shot.

Spoiler

On the ship, Thanos with just 1 stone and the Black order have wrecked Thor offscreen even though the likes of Valkyrie, Heimdall, Korg, Loki, Hulk and a bunch of Asgardians are on there. When Thor tries to fight again he gets brushed away easily.
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And when he’s talking with the Guardians about going to Knowhere to stop Thanos getting the reality stone Thor says he’s already too dangerous when he just has 2 stones. I don’t think it makes sense to say that getting the weapon would just improve his chances as delaying confronting Thanos to get the weapon means he is free to go round picking up more stones and is ultimately the reason why he is able to do the snap. If there was any chance that Thor along with the Guardians could have stopped him on Knowhere that woud definitely have been the right thing to do.

Also look at the language from Thor:

Gamora: He’ll be too powerful to stop
Thor: He already is (with just 2 stones)

Thor: I’m gonna hold it open
Eitri: That’s suicide
Thor: So is facing Thanos without that axe

Thor is saying he is absolutely no match for Thanos without Stormbreaker and there is no shame in that as the guy just decimated Ragnarok Hulk to the point of being too scared to come out. The words are pretty clear. Stormbreaker though elevates him to a whole new level.

That's not what I'm arguing, I never said Thor could beat Thanos without Stormbreaker what I said was "He's not scared of him".

Why would you fight someone with Infinity Stones without a weapon anyway, that's just stupid.

 

[Drizzle]

My main question about Banner/Hulk in the movie is this:

Spoiler

If Hulk was scared to come out based on the encounter with Thanos, what would happen in another scenario where Banner "died" (like the jumping out of the chopper scene in TIH or the bridge scene in Ragnarok or even when he talked about shooting himself)? Would Banner just remain dead or would Hulk have no choice but to show himself at that point?

 

[Hunter Rider]

No one's arguing about who will win, why do people keep saying this?

I'm just talking about in general, Hulk and Thor fanboys get very deep and often perturbed when their guy loses any kind of fight.

 

[Joefixit]

Hulk catching Thor's hammer swing and a close up of his face being visibly pissed is just as clear as his strength increasing against Abomination.

People in my theather said "Uh oh he's getting stronger and more pissed" during that shot.



Nah,that’s just hulk fighting.. if his rage were increasing, he would have been visibly getting stronger.. like when he saw Betty being man handled when they had that sound machine on him, you could visibly see it, or when he was fighting abomination and you clearly saw him overpower him... or Ang Lee’s Hulk when you saw his size increase with his rage and strength.. And Betty made the remark that they could not kill him they would only increase his rage and make him stronger... That’s what I’m talking about..

I know that a lot of fans would want to believe that he had that strength in Ragnorok, but he didn’t... He even had Thor placed in his room after the fight.. I’m not sure the mcu hulk has this power.. look at the hellcarieer fight.. He was throwing Thor like a rag doll and then jumps out on that plane... I’m not sure he even displayed it then.. He was just enraged.. not gaining strength.. It’s almost like Thor’s thunder... or Peter’s spider sense..When it happens, you will clearly know.. Not just have a random guy commenting that he is getting stronger because he snarling...You wouldn’t have to guess at it or have people in a theater speculating.. It will be clear as day, and thus far it has not been displayed outside of TIH.

And from my perspective Thor won the fight... And Stark won the fight.. Clearly he is powered down in the MCU.. I’m just saying.. for once can we get Hulk displaying his true power...

 

[Joefixit]

Spoiler

On the ship, Thanos with just 1 stone and the Black order have wrecked Thor offscreen even though the likes of Valkyrie, Heimdall, Korg, Loki, Hulk and a bunch of Asgardians are on there. When Thor tries to fight again he gets brushed away easily.
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And when he’s talking with the Guardians about going to Knowhere to stop Thanos getting the reality stone Thor says he’s already too dangerous when he just has 2 stones. I don’t think it makes sense to say that getting the weapon would just improve his chances as delaying confronting Thanos to get the weapon means he is free to go round picking up more stones and is ultimately the reason why he is able to do the snap. If there was any chance that Thor along with the Guardians could have stopped him on Knowhere that woud definitely have been the right thing to do.

Also look at the language from Thor:

Gamora: He’ll be too powerful to stop
Thor: He already is (with just 2 stones)

Thor: I’m gonna hold it open
Eitri: That’s suicide
Thor: So is facing Thanos without that axe

Thor is saying he is absolutely no match for Thanos without Stormbreaker and there is no shame in that as the guy just decimated Ragnarok Hulk to the point of being too scared to come out. The words are pretty clear. Stormbreaker though elevates him to a whole new level.

You raise some good points, but you don’t understand The Hulk.. He would die fighting rather than hide... Its not a choice!! Whenever banner feels pain, becomes angry , sad or any emotion that gets that adrenaline flowing.. Hulk is coming... period!! It’s not a choice.. it’s never been.. sometimes he used to come at night, but that was the gray hulk...

It’s almost like people are justifying cowardness.. That’s never ok.. I grew up reading the comic and watching the cartoon and tv series and he was never scared of anything.. when he was outmatched his rage would increase and his strength would increase allowing him to meet the challenge..

He didn’t win every fight, but he was never a coward.. I just wish Ruffalo would do his homework and treat the character with the respect that Norton did... Or better yet I wish Norton would come back.. But I understand at this point that’s not happening.. Downey Jr. needs his yes .. I man..I mean science bro...smh

 

[Joefixit]

My main question about Banner/Hulk in the movie is this:

Spoiler

If Hulk was scared to come out based on the encounter with Thanos, what would happen in another scenario where Banner "died" (like the jumping out of the chopper scene in TIH or the bridge scene in Ragnarok or even when he talked about shooting himself)? Would Banner just remain dead or would Hulk have no choice but to show himself at that point?

Historically he would change, but who knows with this current iteration.

 

[Joefixit]

Hulk catching Thor's hammer swing and a close up of his face being visibly pissed is just as clear as his strength increasing against Abomination.

People in my theather said "Uh oh he's getting stronger and more pissed" during that shot.



That's not what I'm arguing, I never said Thor could beat Thanos without Stormbreaker what I said was "He's not scared of him".

Why would you fight someone with Infinity Stones without a weapon anyway, that's just stupid.

Lol

 

[BigThor]

I'm just talking about in general, Hulk and Thor fanboys get very deep and often perturbed when their guy loses any kind of fight.

True story, although Hulk fans are a little more extreme Thor fans didn't complain when Hela beat Thor or even Kurse.

We didn't even complain about Thor losing to Thanos (and maybe) The Black Order off screen.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

You raise some good points, but you don’t understand The Hulk.. He would die fighting rather than hide... Its not a choice!! Whenever banner feels pain, becomes angry , sad or any emotion that gets that adrenaline flowing.. Hulk is coming... period!! It’s not a choice.. it’s never been.. sometimes he used to come at night, but that was the gray hulk...

It’s almost like people are justifying cowardness.. That’s never ok.. I grew up reading the comic and watching the cartoon and tv series and he was never scared of anything.. when he was outmatched his rage would increase and his strength would increase allowing him to meet the challenge..

He didn’t win every fight, but he was never a coward.. I just wish Ruffalo would do his homework and treat the character with the respect that Norton did... Or better yet I wish Norton would come back.. But I understand at this point that’s not happening.. Downey Jr. needs his yes .. I man..I mean science bro...smh

Can we please stop this sort of "one true Scotsman" nonsense fans?

The implication that others don't "understand the character" but only the true fan that adheres to your orthodoxy is patronizing. I have some unsettling news for you and those like you... Almost everyone on a forum like the Hype has grown up with and are fans of these characters. You don't have any more insight into them than anyone else. If anything, given how you come off as quite a bit younger given your reasoning (and your impugning of Ruffalo's character and putting forth a conspiracy about RDJ... Such silliness) you might not have as much experience with these characters, Hulk in particular, as compared to others on the Hype. Frankly, this feels like the mindset of a teenager.

Also... ONCE AGAIN FANBOYS/GIRLS... These are adaptations, and film adaptations at that. The requirements of a movie, the need for drama and conflict and characterization that is more than simply what one would find in say, a mid 1990's cartoon, trump a lot. Yes... Even fan service. No one is "making an excuse for cowardice" however you define it. That's again, point blank, silliness. There are reasons, practical and narrative wise that make sense for this story that kept the creators of this film from using Hulk as you or others would like. It's not the end of the world. It's not sloppy writing and it's certainly not some conspiracy. So it's not EXACTLY to the nth degree what it is in the comics. Boo-Hoo. That's how it's been for every single comic book character adapted since it's impossible to somehow fit in every single aspect that a fan thinks in essential after decades of comic book continuity, or from other versions in media. What is essential or the essence of the character is also, by it's nature really subjective. And how one would execute what one thinks is essential adds another layer subjectivity.

Lastly... These are films that require more to the story than just "Hulk is strongest there is" as a basis for character, conflict and drama. They just do. Hulk simply smashing everyone and everything into submission isn't practical and is also, sad to say, quite boring. How about actually waiting for the end of this characters arc before going into wrist cutting conspiracy mode? Or is that just to damn much to ask of the modern fanboys/girls?

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

The next movie will probably be close to the 3 hours long, there will be time for Hulk and Captain Marvel to have big power moments, they haven't started this arc for Hulk without already having a pay-off planned where he'll get to do something heroic and awesome. Do I think he'll beat Thanos? No, this isn't WWE, I don't think he'll get his win back so to speak, but he'll have his spotlight.



When Thor and Hulk fanboys start writing essays about would would win a fictional fight, it's time to duck for cover.

I never wrote that he won't get a pay off HR, I do think he will, but I have a feeling it will be overshadowed by something else Thor, IM or CM will do. After his treatment in IW, Hulk should get THE moment in A4. Not just any moment, but THE moment of the movie. However, I am doubting he will get that, I think he will just get a good moment overshadowed by what others do.

Basically, I think Hulk fans will get the shaft again. Marvel want to show off their new toys.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I am a huge Hulk fan and hated what was done to him in IW. But Ragnorak CLEARLY showed him getting stronger when he got angrier in the Thor fight.

As BigThor said, Thor was walking Hulk around with that big hammer, and Hulk initially couldn't counter it and that is why he was sent flying each time. Until he clearly got angrier, and was able to catch the hammer dead with one arm, despite Thor using two arms.

It's the whole reason why I don't think the outcome of that fight was as cut and dry as people make out. As Thor was getting more powerful in the fight, so was Hulk.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Yeah I don't think he is going to get this big epic moment people are convinced we are getting. Captain Marvel is the new power house and she will get the focus in the power stakes.

It's just not really a good time to be a Hulk fan.

Why isn't it possible for the two to happen though? CM gets a display of her powers and Hulk gets to display what he's known for. Sure... CM has super strength. Okay, but she has OTHER powers as well. She simply can do things others like Hulk, can't. So when writing that, if you have some skill and at this point I think we can agree that the Marvel team knows what they are doing then you use your characters in different ways. People make out that Feige's comments on CM mean she literally comes on screen, punches Thanos into submission and... That's it? Do we really think that's the extent of A4? Cuz it sure sounds like it given the comments here.

If there is a chance to allow Hulk to do what he does best, SMASH, and show incredible physical strength and durability (WHICH THEY HAVE CONSISTENTLY DONE EVERY TIME IN THE MCU WITH THE CHARACTER) and also allow CM to show what she can do with her array of powers, they will do it.

As for it not being a good time to be a Hulk fan? I'm a fan. Have been for decades. Bill Mantlo and Peter David are my JAM. I feel fine with how they've handled the character for the vast majority of the MCU. After the Ang Lee film and after the mediocre response to TIH (I enjoy the movie but let's not pretend it was a billion dollar grosser at the BO) they've managed to make him a fan favorite character embraced by the masses and given the character spotlight many times. Look, if you want the character to be WCW's Goldberg for the MCU, well... That's just not interesting and doesn't lend itself to conflict or drama. The over the top statements come off rather silly in regards to the character coming from his hardcore fanbase now. I put more faith into the Russos given their track record than the online fan community, known for it's inflated sense of resentment for the most minor of issues.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Why isn't it possible for the two to happen though? CM gets a display of her powers and Hulk gets to display what he's known for. Sure... CM has super strength. Okay, but she has OTHER powers as well. She simply can do things others like Hulk, can't. So when writing that, if you have some skill and at this point I think we can agree that the Marvel team knows what they are doing then you use your characters in different ways. People make out that Feige's comments on CM mean she literally comes on screen, punches Thanos into submission and... That's it? Do we really think that's the extent of A4? Cuz it sure sounds like it given the comments here.

If there is a chance to allow Hulk to do what he does best, SMASH, and show incredible physical strength and durability (WHICH THEY HAVE CONSISTENTLY DONE EVERY TIME IN THE MCU WITH THE CHARACTER) and also allow CM to show what she can do with her array of powers, they will do it.

As for it not being a good time to be a Hulk fan? I'm a fan. Have been for decades. Bill Mantlo and Peter David are my JAM. I feel fine with how they've handled the character for the vast majority of the MCU. After the Ang Lee film and after the mediocre response to TIH (I enjoy the movie but let's not pretend it was a billion dollar grosser at the BO) they've managed to make him a fan favorite character embraced by the masses and given the character spotlight many times. Look, if you want the character to be WCW's Goldberg for the MCU, well... That's just not interesting and doesn't lend itself to conflict or drama. The over the top statements come off rather silly in regards to the character coming from his hardcore fanbase now. I put more faith into the Russos given their track record than the online fan community, known for it's inflated sense of resentment for the most minor of issues.

As I said I think Marvel will want to show off their new toy, and who can blame them, this is a business after all. But i think she will get the focus.

With Hulk not having in own movies, we only get to see him in Avengers or team up movies, so he never gets the focus anyway, and then we see him for 5 mins in IW. That's what I meant about it being a bad time to be a Hulk fan. Thor, Cap and IM are all more popular now, so naturally Marcel is giving them all a big push, as well as Spidey and the GOTG. And it just feels like Hulk is being sidelined.

Hulk will get his moment, but as I said I don't think it match Thor's moments in IW, or what they have planned for others in A4. I don't see what's so over the top about that. It's not like I am asking him to singlehandedly beat Thanos. As I said multiple times I have no issue with what happens in their fight. It's what came after which disappointed me.

Also, just for the record, I loved Any Lee's Hulk movie.

 

[Iceman]

You raise some good points, but you don’t understand The Hulk.. He would die fighting rather than hide... Its not a choice!! Whenever banner feels pain, becomes angry , sad or any emotion that gets that adrenaline flowing.. Hulk is coming... period!! It’s not a choice.. it’s never been.. sometimes he used to come at night, but that was the gray hulk...

It’s almost like people are justifying cowardness.. That’s never ok.. I grew up reading the comic and watching the cartoon and tv series and he was never scared of anything.. when he was outmatched his rage would increase and his strength would increase allowing him to meet the challenge..

He didn’t win every fight, but he was never a coward.. I just wish Ruffalo would do his homework and treat the character with the respect that Norton did... Or better yet I wish Norton would come back.. But I understand at this point that’s not happening.. Downey Jr. needs his yes .. I man..I mean science bro...smh

I must be one of the dumbest bastards on the planet if I've managed to not understand the Hulk after all these decades of reading his comics. t: Like Drax it must all be going over my head.

I don't really understand your post as I barely mentioned Hulk in my post - actually probably should have moved it to the Thor thread for getting off topic. I stated what happened in the film, not the comics or elsewhere, and I don't think that's in dispute by anyone including you? The only other time Hulk got a mention was saying he was on the ship. Also not in dispute right? Are you sure you responded to the right guy or right post?

 

[Iceman]

That's not what I'm arguing, I never said Thor could beat Thanos without Stormbreaker what I said was "He's not scared of him".

Why would you fight someone with Infinity Stones without a weapon anyway, that's just stupid.

I'll answer this in the Thor thread so this one stays on topic. Cheers.

 

[slentara1]

I'm just talking about in general, Hulk and Thor fanboys get very deep and often perturbed when their guy loses any kind of fight.

Spoiler

I don't think anyone here said that hulk should've won against Thanos. We've just said it's out of character in general for hulk to not fight after a loss. Ruffalo had said already the only thing he's afraid of is banner but the film makes it appear as though he's scared of Thanos. No one is saying he should have won.

 

[BigThor]

I think Hulk fans casually forget how much shine and shows stealing scenes Hulk got in Avengers 1.

It was basically Hulk featuring The Avengers in the final battle.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Even if Hulk lost the Hulkbuster fight, it still was probably the most memorable sequence in AoU, so I think both TA & AoU were kind to Hulk.

 

[slentara1]

I think Hulk fans casually forget how much shine and shows stealing scenes Hulk got in Avengers 1.

It was basically Hulk featuring The Avengers in the final battle.

Well his lack of solo movies warrant such treatment. If Disney wasn't so stingy then we could see Hulk outside of the Avengers movies then he'd have just as much time to shine as the rest of them had. I don't care about Iron Man, he's had 3 movies to shine. I like Cap but again he's had plenty of time to shine. Same for Thor. When you limit the appearances of the character of course he's gonna steal the show.That's the only time people get to see him. The moment Hulk come on the screen it Hulk time. You don't fix that by limiting Hulk's involvement more and more. You fix that by Giving people his own story with out the claustrophobia of surrounding him by other people. The reason they haven't done that is because Disney doesn't want to share profits with Universal. Universal isn't stopping Hulk movies, Disney is. Which is a shame because there are a lot of Hulk story arcs that are more than just Hulk smash. If you look at the MCU movies as a whole, Hulk and banner have had very little screen time compared to every other OG Avenger except maybe Hawkeye.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I think Hulk fans casually forget how much shine and shows stealing scenes Hulk got in Avengers 1.

It was basically Hulk featuring The Avengers in the final battle.

It wasn't like he was the central character though, Iron Man and Cap both got more screen time I believe. In the final battle he didn't get more to do than anyone else either. He just happened to have the stand out moments. Not to mention he doesn't have solo movies outside TIH.

His AOU showing was poor and seemed to regress the character.