'HUMAN WEAPON' on the history channel, thread.

[Arkady Rossovich]

Well,i saw the Sambo episode for the first time today.I hope the series is doing well,because it is interesting.

 

[Sebastos]

You changed your name? What does it mean?

I saw two episodes today aswell.

 

[Golgo-13]

Who changed their name?

 

[Savage]

Arkady.

 

[Golgo-13]

From what?

 

[Savage]

I honestly have no idea. I never bothered to read it. Just looked at the avatar. Something in another language I think.

 

[Sebastos]

I'm just wondering is all. Sounds like a cool name.

 

[3dman27]

human weapon hasn't been on since the holidays was production on a strike related hiatus is it cancelled or what?

 

[November Rain]

sounds like an interewsting programme, can't wait for it to get to the uk.

 

[Savage]

Damn, it probably was canceled. Or maybe that's it for their adventures. Maybe they pissed off the wrong martial artist.

 

[3dman27]

or one of the hosts became unavailable for some reason

 

[carrrnuttt]

It's still on, I think. Just on hiatus.

Have you guys seen the ripoff on Discovery titled "Fight Quest"?

 

[Savage]

Haven't seen that yet. I want to check it out. I didn't know it was on already.

 

[Spidey Rules 2]

It's still on, I think. Just on hiatus.

Have you guys seen the ripoff on Discovery titled "Fight Quest"?

Yeah, I saw it a while back. I was very disappointed. If I remember right, it's a group of fighters learning techniques from a particular culture and they get voted off or lose a fight and they are off the show.

I think Human Weapon is coming back this Friday with new episodes. I recently saw a preview and I think it said "new episode).

 

[Sebastos]

I haven't seen Fight Quest yet.

 

[3dman27]

Yeah, I saw it a while back. I was very disappointed. If I remember right, it's a group of fighters learning techniques from a particular culture and they get voted off or lose a fight and they are off the show.

I think Human Weapon is coming back this Friday with new episodes. I recently saw a preview and I think it said "new episode).

i'll check my tv listings thanks

 

[Arkady Rossovich]

No..the show is still on. It's not cancelled,i think new episodes are being filmed.

 

[Kenny Eugene McCall]

Fight Quest is lame. Now Human Weapon, that kicks ass! I saw all the episodes.

 

[zanos]

I saw one episode. They always make it look impressive and you're always like wow they've trained their entire lives and this is the only master who teaches this style of martial arts and then you quickly realize that a guy with a little boxing and mma background could probably kick the master's ass.

 

[Savage]

And yet that same guy gets his ass kicked half the time.

Man is MMA overrated. And people keep talking about it like it's one martial art. Let's see. Wrestling, jujitsu, kickboxing, boxing, street fighting (WTF?) and most of them are friggin' purple belts when they get in the ring (notice they almost never make mention of their rank or how long they've been training. Chances are they walked into a school for 2 years, got a power trip and felt they could kick anybody's ass). Yeah, real masters. MMA's a sport, not a martial art in itself. These guys train to win a sport, not for survival. I don't see them using any actual techniques (hell I rarely see them throw a kick and that's really a martial artist's best tool because of it's reach and power).

Sorry about this, I'm just tired of people saying "MMA" can beat everything when it really just comes down to boxing or street fighting. I watch these matches and think "This is what those fights in the lunchroom looked like--and there's the headlock. I guess noogies are next." People say Bruce Lee's the father of MMA but Bruce Lee was all about finishing the fight quickly. Getting in and out quickly. These guys are dancing around with each other and totally ignoring everything they've learned (and there are hundreds of ways to counter a simple punch to finish a fight). Guys like Gracie I respect though. That guy's all about the perfection of his art. Technique over power. Power's gonna do you no good when you're 80 and atrophied or fighting someone bigger than you.

Hey, I'm even more of a martial arts geek than I am a comic book geek.

 

[zanos]

And yet that same guy gets his ass kicked half the time.

Man is MMA overrated. And people keep talking about it like it's one martial art. Let's see. Wrestling, jujitsu, kickboxing, boxing, street fighting (WTF?) and most of them are friggin' purple belts when they get in the ring (notice they almost never make mention of their rank or how long they've been training. Chances are they walked into a school for 2 years, got a power trip and felt they could kick anybody's ass). Yeah, real masters. MMA's a sport, not a martial art in itself. These guys train to win a sport, not for survival. I don't see them using any actual techniques (hell I rarely see them throw a kick and that's really a martial artist's best tool because of it's reach and power).

Sorry about this, I'm just tired of people saying "MMA" can beat everything when it really just comes down to boxing or street fighting. I watch these matches and think "This is what those fights in the lunchroom looked like--and there's the headlock. I guess noogies are next." People say Bruce Lee's the father of MMA but Bruce Lee was all about finishing the fight quickly. Getting in and out quickly. These guys are dancing around with each other and totally ignoring everything they've learned (and there are hundreds of ways to counter a simple punch to finish a fight). Guys like Gracie I respect though. That guy's all about the perfection of his art. Technique over power. Power's gonna do you no good when you're 80 and atrophied or fighting someone bigger than you.

Hey, I'm even more of a martial arts geek than I am a comic book geek.

Yes and traditional martial artists train to look better when they perform their moves. Yeah I'm sure they know how to survive. I saw one guy on the history or discovery channel a while back train his entire life and became a "champion" in the martial arts world because of how well he performed. This guy looked amazing doing his kicks and jumps and everything but he admitted he didn't like fight competitions and looked every bit the amateur with his safety gear on while getting kicked in the face. It's same sad story of anyone training in traditional kung fu, karate, etc. You never learn how to actually fight. Is it any wonder why you would NEVER see any of these guys in a real ring.

 

[Arkady Rossovich]

MMA is decent,but a master of grappling is someone to be reckoned with. They can break bones,and choke you. The Japanese are not the only ones to come up with such arts,the Russians and Greeks have done the same thing.

Fight Quest is lame. Now Human Weapon, that kicks ass! I saw all the episodes.

That's the right way of thinking. Those were actually 2 seasons,i would say there's a huge chance of a new season being filmed at this exact moment.

 

[carrrnuttt]

Yes and traditional martial artists train to look better when they perform their moves. Yeah I'm sure they know how to survive. I saw one guy on the history or discovery channel a while back train his entire life and became a "champion" in the martial arts world because of how well he performed. This guy looked amazing doing his kicks and jumps and everything but he admitted he didn't like fight competitions and looked every bit the amateur with his safety gear on while getting kicked in the face. It's same sad story of anyone training in traditional kung fu, karate, etc. You never learn how to actually fight. Is it any wonder why you would NEVER see any of these guys in a real ring.

You have NO idea what the difference between "sport" and "martial arts" training is.

You can't look at modern training, especially modern American training in the various styles, and believe that is the end-all of martial arts training.

I know this from personal experience. My old roommate when I was in the Air Force grew up trained in Tae Kwan Do. He was trained by a Korean master in the Philippines, and he grew up in that country, and was a 2nd dan blackbelt by the time he was 18.

Well, when he moved to the US (he had always been an American citizen - military brat whose family settled in the last country dad was stationed at) he started looking for TKD schools out here to train at. When he found one, they convinced him to compete for the school. He would sometimes lose, because the US trained fighters are good at getting points. But he would ALWAYS end up knocking his opponent out.

That's the difference between an art taught as a sport, and as a fighting skill.

What's funny is, I watched him kicking the huge kicking bag they had in his gym. He's about 5'7", maybe 140 lbs dripping wet, and these huge, 6'+ blackbelts would kick the same bag as him, and they aren't able to make the bag swing as much as my friend did.

Now, looking at this, realize that most American MMA fighters that trained in these "arts", came from such a background.

Jason Chambers from HW is an MMA fighter, and you can see the Muay Thai dude that he fought was going half-speed (based on looking at clips from his previous fights), and he still ended up kicking the snot out of Jason.

 

[zanos]

You have NO idea what the difference between "sport" and "martial arts" training is.

You can't look at modern training, especially modern American training in the various styles, and believe that is the end-all of martial arts training.

I know this from personal experience. My old roommate when I was in the Air Force grew up trained in Tae Kwan Do. He was trained by a Korean master in the Philippines, and he grew up in that country, and was a 2nd dan blackbelt by the time he was 18.

Well, when he moved to the US (he had always been an American citizen - military brat whose family settled in the last country dad was stationed at) he started looking for TKD schools out here to train at. When he found one, they convinced him to compete for the school. He would sometimes lose, because the US trained fighters are good at getting points. But he would ALWAYS end up knocking his opponent out.

That's the difference between an art taught as a sport, and as a fighting skill.

No that's the difference between someone playing by the rules of the competition and someone breaking them. It doesn't matter if they trained in the US or in the mountains of tibet by an old asian man with a long white beard. Learning how to really fight actually involves fighting not training in forms all day long and doing fight choreography on occassion using those traditional kung fu moves which all goes out the window when you get hit in the face for the first time.

Jason Chambers from HW is an MMA fighter, and you can see the Muay Thai dude that he fought was going half-speed (based on looking at clips from his previous fights), and he still ended up kicking the snot out of Jason.

Well gee I wonder why that was. You take an MMA fighter who isn't trained in Mua Thai to fight Mua Thai against a Mua Thai champion and he got his ass kicked in Mua Thai. You're right, I'm wrong. What was I thinking. lol.

 

[carrrnuttt]

No that's the difference between someone playing by the rules of the competition and someone breaking them. It doesn't matter if they trained in the US or in the mountains of tibet by an old asian man with a long white beard. Learning how to really fight actually involves fighting not training in forms all day long and doing fight choreography on occassion using those traditional kung fu moves which all goes out the window when you get hit in the face for the first time.

You're missing the point. The same padded kicks that would only score points on my friend, hurts his opponent to where they fall or are knocked unconscious. The same ones. Within the rules.

The same as the bag-kicking story I relayed.

It's a mind set. The American-trained martial-artists have quick, pretty kicks that score points effectively. My friend had more powerful kicks that were never drilled into him as a "point-getting tool". They were drilled as a means to take the enemy down. As such, his muscle memory and tone is geared towards that.

This is where the Muay Thai story also becomes relevant. Jason likely has just as much knowledge of kicking and kicking techniques as the MT fighter does. It's just that the MT fighter's kicks were never designed to earn points in a friendly sparring session, which is how American kids are trained due to overprotective parents, and scared-of-lawsuits instructors.

Don't dispute me on that last part either, as I have an 8-yr-old that is currently taking Karate classes, and has been for the last 3 years.