Hype Survivor HYPE SURVIVOR 21 - Day One, Part One discussion thread!

When it takes an extreme case like this to 'prove' your point, it's not a very good point. :down

It was just one of many cases i can think of, you, me, in fact anyone in this game all must have much bigger "enemies" that aren't even playing this thing that could get guest host role, for instance I'd be far happier if Say Erz got voted off via me, to have him as a guest host than Advanced Dark.
 
Stop being obtuse. Yes, everyone has biases that have nothing to do with this game. It's not difficult is it to grasp, however, that putting in someone who WAS NEVER allied with anyone in this game as a guest host would generally appear more impartial than putting in someone WAS allied with other players. :huh:
But it was the preliminary round. Personally, I just don't think the alliances or preferences aren't nearly deeply rooted enough at that stage to really make any difference. Or, at least, not make any more of a difference then simple personal bias.
Seriously though, if Showtime is really a lawyer, he should be well accustomed to the phrase "the appearance of impropriety", which means that even when something isn't inproper or wrong, but could be seen that way, it's better not to do it so as to avoid that appearance.
Again, this is a game. It should not be a rigid, life or death matter of who ghost hosts one round.
Regardless of whether or not Showtime (or any other former player) would or would not be biased, it creates the appearance of impropriety... and therefore, should not happen.
I'm sorry, but I'd rather deal with actuality rather than appearances.
 
You guys still going on over a relatively harmless passing comment that Brodie blew way out of proportion?
 
It was just one of many cases i can think of, you, me, in fact anyone in this game all must have much bigger "enemies" that aren't even playing this thing that could get guest host role, for instance I'd be far happier if Say Erz got voted off via me, to have him as a guest host than Advanced Dark.

That's why we rely on a good host. They pick guest hosts who are generally known as being decent posters who don't hold stupid cyber-grudges. They pick people like THE Albafan or Mr. Webs, not JAL or blind_fury.

There's a huge pool of decent Hypesters to choose from as guest host without turning to people who have already been playing in the game (and formed alliance)... unless of course you'd like to argue that the bad eggs outweigh the good on the Hype!?

Like I said, when you're forced resort to that extremist argument, you're arguing from a weak position.

I think, perhaps, the other thing that some of the newer players aren't getting is the it's not uncommon for people who are voted out to continue playing and helping the people they were allied with in a variety of ways. It's part of the game, and yet another reason why a former player shouldn't guest host.
 
You guys still going on over a relatively harmless passing comment that Brodie blew way out of proportion?
Well, I'm just debating a point Erzengel brought up.
 
That's why we rely on a good host. They pick guest hosts who are generally known as being decent posters who don't hold stupid cyber-grudges. They pick people like THE Albafan or Mr. Webs, not JAL or blind_fury.

There's a huge pool of decent Hypesters to choose from as guest host without turning to people who have already been playing in the game (and formed alliance)... unless of course you'd like to argue that the bad eggs outweigh the good on the Hype!?

Like I said, when you're forced resort to that extremist argument, you're arguing from a weak position.

I think, perhaps, the other thing that some of the newer players aren't getting is the it's not uncommon for people who are voted out to continue playing and helping the people they were allied with in a variety of ways. It's part of the game, and yet another reason why a former player shouldn't guest host.

I concede to the top point but isn't it possible that you have ppl deemed good posters that don't like you and may simply not be overtly petty with it ? I'm just saying that there could be more threat from none players than voted out ones, but bottom line is Matt simply has to vet his choices well as you said and i believe he has agreed to no players from this game guest hosting.

On the bottom point, i didn't realise that as i'm not familiar with what the other challenges will entail.
 
Well, I'm just debating a point Erzengel brought up.

Well we aren't going to agree. As a current player, or a former host, I gave the advice that I would have done in his stead.

You argue I don't have any basis for distrusting anyone because it "may" make the game more fun by including them? That's not enough for me and like I said earlier, I prefer to create a "normal" Survivor and make changes which I think are fair and balanced instead of trying to "liven" up the game by doing something that can be construed as biased.

And like Matt said before he was joking and this argument is for naught.
 
Damn philip calling me cupcake. I have a reputation to live up to you know.

Actually i dont, but i can dream
 
i cant remember the last time i had one either. a week maybe
 
Well we aren't going to agree. As a current player, or a former host, I gave the advice that I would have done in his stead.

You argue I don't have any basis for distrusting anyone because it "may" make the game more fun by including them? That's not enough for me and like I said earlier, I prefer to create a "normal" Survivor and make changes which I think are fair and balanced instead of trying to "liven" up the game by doing something that can be construed as biased.

And like Matt said before he was joking and this argument is for naught.
No, no. My argument isn't that it "may" be more fun, and thusly should be tried, my argument is that when have no factual reason not to do something, that you should have no problem with experimenting with it, and trying it.

Not to get too serious about this, and not to group you in with others, but it seems like so many people on here do nothing but refuse to do anything but follow what's already been done, and subscribe to really rigid points of view just of out fear of trying something new that in the end is really simple and easy, and really wouldn't hurt anything.

And yeah, it's probably pointless in the end to even discuss it with any of you guys, I'm not ever going to change your mind on anything, but it just seems so...ignorant to me, I can't help but be bothered by it when I see it. And I mean no offense to you when I say that, that's just how it strikes me.
 
No, no. My argument isn't that it "may" be more fun, and thusly should be tried, my argument is that when have no factual reason not to do something, that you should have no problem with experimenting with it, and trying it.

Not to get too serious about this, and not to group you in with others, but it seems like so many people on here do nothing but refuse to do anything but follow what's already been done, and subscribe to really rigid points of view just of out fear of trying something new that in the end is really simple and easy, and really wouldn't hurt anything.

And yeah, it's probably pointless in the end to even discuss it with any of you guys, I'm not ever going to change your mind on anything, but it just seems so...ignorant to me, I can't help but be bothered by it when I see it. And I mean no offense to you when I say that, that's just how it strikes me.
Like I said where's the line? Someone removed during the 2nd challenge, 3rd, 4th? Should I let them guest host? Should I still experiment with it because I have no "factual" reason not to?

What you say as ignorant, others would see as just common sense.
 
i think the guest hosts should be determined before the start of the game . its not being bold or innovative to bring someone back who has an agenda.
 
Like I said where's the line? Someone removed during the 2nd challenge, 3rd, 4th? Should I let them guest host? Should I still experiment with it because I have no "factual" reason not to?

What you say as ignorant, others would see as just common sense.
And what you see as common sense, others see as ignorant. Does that mean it is? No, but you're never going to find out unless it's attempted. That's my point.

You want a line? Have the preliminary round be the cut off point. There's your line. What's wrong with that? Yeah, I agree, anything beyond that, you would start having problems with alliances, but letting some guy from the prelim round ghost judge now and then...that's a rather small concession to give.
 
But it was the preliminary round. Personally, I just don't think the alliances or preferences aren't nearly deeply rooted enough at that stage to really make any difference. Or, at least, not make any more of a difference then simple personal bias.

This probably has a lot to do with why you're out. I can guarantee there are people who are very strongly allied with each other... and had made those alliances even before Matt had begun the game. With some of the experienced players... there were alliances formed even before the decision whether or not to play in this game was even made.

As Matt said in his intro... this game is about way more than the challenges. It's the strategy and the alliances that make or break you.

Again, this is a game. It should not be a rigid, life or death matter of who ghost hosts one round.
One could wonder why, with your continued protestations of how 'unimportant' this is and that it isn't a "life or death matter", and it doesn't mean anything you're so hung up on this - particularly since you've been voted out. :huh: Why not just move on with your life and forget about the game entirely? It shouldn't make a difference to you one way or the other what happens in the game.

The way you've been carrying on, however, suggests that it's important to you... which, in turn, suggests that you still have a 'stake' in the game somehow... which makes your entire line of argument suspect.

^ See? That's how Survivor works.

I'm sorry, but I'd rather deal with actuality rather than appearances.
You don't KNOW the actuality. You don't know that "Poster X" (who we will assume was playing in this game) will be unbiased or that s/he won't remain loyal to an alliance s/he made any more than I or anyone else know to the contrary. So the best we can work with is the appearance. And by appearances, it would seem more unbiased to not have a poster who has not been playing guest host a round.

I concede to the top point but isn't it possible that you have ppl deemed good posters that don't like you and may simply not be overtly petty with it ? I'm just saying that there could be more threat from none players than voted out ones, but bottom line is Matt simply has to vet his choices well as you said and i believe he has agreed to no players from this game guest hosting.

On the bottom point, i didn't realise that as i'm not familiar with what the other challenges will entail.

The argument that someone may not like you and just isn't overtly petty about it doesn't work because it holds true with everyone on the Hype! - regardless of whether they were former players or not. [Isn't it possible that you have ppl who've you've voted out that don't like you and may simply not be overtly petty with it? Although I bet they liked adding little - signs to your name. :woot:]

Think about the probability here and it you can see that the odds are that the greater thread comes from those people who were playing (they may not like you and not be overtly petty about it (as above, that can be anyone on the Hype!, not just non-players) AND have further reason to screw with you because you helped vote them out.

Beyond that, it's less likely a ex-player guest host would go after an individual than it is s/he will 'assist' another person or alliance. That's where the danger is, and where those not playing the game pose little to no danger.
 
I don't want to read all of that, someone sum it up in 5 words.
 
Well I don't know now. I think some other poster would think 2 rounds is fine. Maybe we should go by that? It's your opinion that anything past the 1st round but there are some players who are allianceless until their departure. Shouldn't they be given a shot?

While your point is "I don't know til I tried", I can only reply with the same points I've been making about while we are on a messageboard there must be some illusion of order, of unbiasness and frankly any player from 1st round to the 15 round I view as the same.
 

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