Superman Returns I Loved SR, but... The Nit-pick thread.

[Alonsovich]

Yes there are. But it's not like there was any imminent and identifiable danger that would alert her maternal instincts.

So... investigating whoever is behind the shutting down the power of a whole freaking city like Metropolis from a particular house isn't dangerous?

 

[The Kid]

I feel it's out of line with her character from the movie itself.

 

[skruloos]

So... investigating whoever is behind the shutting down the power of a whole freaking city like Metropolis from a particular house isn't dangerous?

Not particularly. Does she know for sure it was done maliciously? Does she even know anything about it at all?

Look, I understand you have a problem with it. I don't. We'll have to agree to disagree.

 

[The Sage]

Again... could you give me a percentage of the mothers in the world that commit crimes with their children beside them, please?

Dude I know mothers who have used their children to commit crimes. Well not personally, but instances.

 

[The Kid]

Bringing your kid to a house and knocking on a door to ask the resident a question, that I shrug at. Bringing your kid to a house to knock on a door, but noticing that there's a party out back, so you grab your kid and snoop around their boat for some scooby doo clues, that's really really stupid.

 

[Alonsovich]

Dude I know mothers who have used their children to commit crimes. Well not personally, but instances.

Those things are done by... like 0.01% of the total of mothers in the world.

 

[The Sage]

Those things are done by... like 0.01% of the total of mothers in the world.

Really? Statistically?

 

[skruloos]

Bringing your kid to a house and knocking on a door to ask the resident a question, that I shrug at. Bringing your kid to a house to knock on a door, but noticing that there's a party out back, so you grab your kid and snoop around their boat for some scooby doo clues, that's really really stupid.

I agree that it's stupid. But I accept it from Lois Lane, even in this incarnation.

 

[Alonsovich]

Really? Statistically?

I don't remember mothers with kids being the most common group of criminals in the world, at least...

 

[The Kid]

I agree that it's stupid. But I accept it from Lois Lane, even in this incarnation.

Even in this incarnation it seems unacceptable behavior for Rois to me, especially after she obviously shows how protective she is of her son. Wtf. She's not the same Rois anymore, she's a mom. But she still willingly endagers her only son... this is ok? I've never seen Rois do that before and really hope to not see it again. She's done stupid thnigs for a scoop, yeah I get it. That's Rois 100%, and it's why she's always getting into trouble for supes to save her, But this isn't that old Rois to me. This is a mother of a sickly 5 yearold. I don't really get it that one can say they value her becoming a mother and evolving as a character into a caring parent who worries about her kid's health, but be fine when she drags the same kid with her into the heart of a scooby dooby doo mysterious city-wide blackout, which if she looked at some info on who owns the residence, she would have known it was the criminal Rex Ruthor, I think. But for some reason she doesn't investigate that far.

 

[skruloos]

Even in this incarnation it seems unacceptable behavior for Rois to me, especially after she obviously shows how protective she is of her son. Wtf. She's not the same Rois anymore, she's a mom. But she still willingly endagers her only son... this is ok? I've never seen Rois do that before and really hope to not see it again. She's done stupid thnigs for a scoop, yeah I get it. That's Rois 100%, and it's why she's always getting into trouble for supes to save her, But this isn't that old Rois to me. This is a mother of a sickly 5 yearold. I don't really get it that one can say they value her becoming a mother and evolving as a character into a caring parent who worries about her kid's health, but be fine when she drags the same kid with her into the heart of a scooby dooby doo mysterious city-wide blackout, which if she looked at some info on who owns the residence, she would have known it was the criminal Rex Ruthor, I think. But for some reason she doesn't investigate that far.

Well, it's a double edged sword. If you move forward with the character and completely eliminate any traits associated with her then you've got the problem of doing in LINO. I thought it was perfectly acceptable because it seemed like something Lois as a mom would do. Not what a "real" mom would do but what I would picture Lois Lane from any incarnation to do if she were to have a kid. She isn't the most careful person. She isn't necessarily the most considerate particularly when a story is on the line. And yes, she does get herself and others into trouble. It seemed a perfect way to show that despite her changes she still remains the same Lois Lane. Yes she isn't perfect and doesn't act like the perfect mom. Big whoop. It's not like everyone does a complete 180 as soon as they have a child.

I understand that you have a problem with that. I'm sorry that you didn't enjoy it in the same way I did.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^ All the people complaining about Lois taking Jason on the boat. What did you expect her to do, leave him in the car, outside a house in which anyone from a paedophile to a murdurer could live? Then he would have been left there for the better part of a day if no one had taken that is and you people would still be calling Lois a bad mother.

Honestly, film makers just cant win.

 

[The Kid]

Well, it's a double edged sword. If you move forward with the character and completely eliminate any traits associated with her then you've got the problem of doing in LINO. I thought it was perfectly acceptable because it seemed like something Lois as a mom would do. Not what a "real" mom would do but what I would picture Lois Lane from any incarnation to do if she were to have a kid. She isn't the most careful person. She isn't necessarily the most considerate particularly when a story is on the line. And yes, she does get herself and others into trouble. It seemed a perfect way to show that despite her changes she still remains the same Lois Lane. Yes she isn't perfect and doesn't act like the perfect mom. Big whoop. It's not like everyone does a complete 180 as soon as they have a child.

I understand that you have a problem with that. I'm sorry that you didn't enjoy it in the same way I did.

Let's get real Skru. We've known each other for some time now...

First, I know you're not sorry. And let's see what we're discussing: Rois Rane taking her asthmatic 5 or 6 year old boy with her to trespass on potentially dangerous property. This is cool to you?

So be it. I still stand by my questioning of how one could value her evolution into motherhood then turn around and argue her actions as a mother version of the character here are justified by her former non-mother actions. The film even shows how protective and worried she is for this kid.

If I were still a dosv, I'd be all for her taking her sickly asthamtic children on war stories and such so who am I to argue...

 

[The Kid]

^ All the people complaining about Lois taking Jason on the boat. What did you expect her to do, leave him in the car, outside a house in which anyone from a paedophile to a murdurer could live? Then he would have been left there for the better part of a day if no one had taken that is and you people would still be calling Lois a bad mother.

Honestly, film makers just cant win.

I expected her to simply make sure her child was safe. Are we not supposed to expect that? It's as easy as putting the safety of your child above some big scoop, but the filmmaker was determined to have the child on the boat so we have lois and jason trespassing etc.

Oh now that's not true. Filmmakers can win if you say they win.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I expected her to simply make sure her child was safe. Are we not supposed to expect that? It's as easy as putting the safety of your child above some big scoop, but the filmmaker was determined to have the child on the boat so we have lois and jason trespassing etc.

Oh now that's not true. Filmmakers can win if you say they win.

In the situation, i think she did try to make sure the child was safe. She didnt want to leave him alone in the car were anything could have happened to him. It was a nice car, someone could have stolen it. A paedophile or child murdurer could have lived in the house, Lois didnt know.

But she heard mellow and mature music coming from the boat, and didnt think anyone dangerous would be on board. But, god forbid, she made a mistake, HOW stupid of her!.

 

[The Kid]

Lol and there were no pedos on the boat, I was hoping.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^ Well the music on the boat wasnt something you would expect a peado, murderer, etc to listen to was it?

 

[The Kid]

Hannibal listens to that music so I guess I would. Really though I'm no parent, the music alone wouldn't necessarily be that clear an indication to me that the possible terrorists causing citywide blackouts that almost ended my life and probably caused BILLIONS of dollars of damage that day are friendly and won't mind well known reporters snooping around their boats with a kid in tow. I'd have some level of trepidation before taking my kid with me into their back door or whatever. Maybe I'd just wait and see if anyone comes off the boat...

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Hannibal listens to that music so I guess I would. Really though I'm no parent, the music alone wouldn't necessarily be that clear an indication to me that the possible terrorists causing citywide blackouts that almost ended my life and probably caused BILLIONS of dollars of damage that day are friendly and won't mind well known reporters snooping around their boats with a kid in tow. I'd have some level of trepidation before taking my kid with me into their back door or whatever. Maybe I'd just wait and see if anyone comes off the boat...

Yes but thats you, and you need to realise that not every one is different from you and would do different things.

 

[The Kid]

Hey now. I'm not ever ever going to tell you what to realise so I ask that you grant me the same courtesy. And even though your reply makes no sense to me it's interesting that you seem to echo what someone else was saying to me... Also that I'm just speculating on the possible options Lois has besides trespassing with her kid, using my perspective of her situation to sketch out what those options are. I have a penis so of course we're different.

It's funny nowadays... I'm not even a parent and I think she should have jason sent to better parents for being so foolish here. Months ago if you told me I'd be arguing whether Lois dragging her kid onto lex's yatch was a bad characterization for her or not, I'd laugh at you. I think the only time I've ever read of things like this is on B-movie sites that list the ridiculous stuff that happens in those films. It used to be so simple. Lois used to be better than this too. Some celebrate her changes as a mommy while also saying she really hasn't changed so to make it seem okie dokie that since she's just lois, she's of course going to endanger her asthmatic child. Is anyone else on earth wtf-ing at that besides me?

 

[LexCorp]

A nit pick for me was the use of the Kryptonite. Now I love it that Supe over come the effects of this very easily as it made a great spectical for the end. However there is no way he would of been able to stand up with a 2-3 inch chunk of K in his back. I also do not think that he would of beenable to pick up the crystal island with K chunks at point blank range that were about as big as he was. Liked the film still but I can't justify this.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^ Well lets look at the options Lois had in the situation then. Either leave Jason at school, which eventually would have closed, or leave him in the car, were anything could happen to him, OR take him on board a seemingly innocent boat, were he would be kept in sight of her at all times.

What would you do?

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

A nit pick for me was the use of the Kryptonite. Now I love it that Supe over come the effects of this very easily as it made a great spectical for the end. However there is no way he would of been able to stand up with a 2-3 inch chunk of K in his back. I also do not think that he would of beenable to pick up the crystal island with K chunks at point blank range that were about as big as he was. Liked the film still but I can't justify this.

Hey Lexcorp hows it going?

Anyway for the bit when Supes lifts New Krypton, the kryptonite wasnt actually 'in his face' so to speak until he reached space.

However a big flaw was when we saw the doctor remove some kryptonite from him in the hospital. Even if it is a small bit, it would have effected him in some way.

 

[nogster]

A nit pick for me was the use of the Kryptonite. Now I love it that Supe over come the effects of this very easily as it made a great spectical for the end. However there is no way he would of been able to stand up with a 2-3 inch chunk of K in his back. I also do not think that he would of beenable to pick up the crystal island with K chunks at point blank range that were about as big as he was. Liked the film still but I can't justify this.

thats because there is no justification for it.
its an in movie contradiction that has no defense.

 

[The Kid]

^ Well lets look at the options Lois had in the situation then. Either leave Jason at school, which eventually would have closed, or leave him in the car, were anything could happen to him, OR take him on board a seemingly innocent boat, were he would be kept in sight of her at all times.

What would you do?

Why so interested in what I'd do? I'm not lois...

But anyway Option one she didn't have. School was closed. she could leave him with richard or whoever for a while though, perhaps. Option two is one that happens all the time in real life i believe. My parents have **** to do so they've left me and my sister in the car while going to the bank or whatever. One time I shifted the gear on the car 'accidentally ' and it started to roll forward down a street it was parked on. Then My father came running out of the store or whatever, stopped the car and beat me to hell for it. ah... memories.

Though I don't think all kids in cars can really hit a gear or whatever and suddenly start the car rolling like I did. Even after that, my dad left me in the car, of course making sure the car had the parking brake on and was completely shut off though. The last option is trespassing and I think that's a no-no, definitely when it involves a very young child being brought along.

But if it were me, yeah I'd just go home and watch howard the Duck. Then return later without putting my child at risk while trespassing. Or just watch the boat for any passengers that'd be there like I said before.