The Dark Knight I still not understand this cast option

[Miranda Fox]

LOL! t:

Ledger doesn't seem like any of them. Period.

I have to ask - so flippin' what? Wasn't the whole reason he took this role because he hadn't done it before?

 

[SUPERSEBAS]

I was (still am) a huge proponent for Chrispen Glover to be the Joker.

I also thought he would best fit description of how the joker should look as well as be portrayed in TDK.

But Chris Nolan decided to go with Heath Ledger, and to be honest I don't understand his choice either. There were at least a half dozen other actors that was rumored to be up for the part that I thought would have been a better choice.

Ledger comes across as too much a pretty boy for me to see him as the Joker.

However, Chris Nolan, to date, has not made a movie that I haven't been immensely impressed with (although I haven't seen Insomnia yet) 'Batman Begins' being the foremost of these movies.

With him having that track record, I will trust he made the best choice for what he has in store for Heath Ledger as the Joker in TDK.

Great!!!! another person who knows best!!!!

 

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

wow 2 out of many..your army is building.

 

[raybia]

LOL! t:



I have to ask - so flippin' what? Wasn't the whole reason he took this role because he hadn't done it before?

Yeah, Bale hadn't played a superhero before either.

 

[Miranda Fox]

Great!!!! another person who knows best!!!!

Oh well, you clearly won this argument.

Yeah, Bale hadn't played a superhero before either.

My sarcasm detector is going off...

 

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

mine didn't set your off?? ..damn i need to work harder.

 

[raybia]

My sarcasm detector is going off...

No seriously. Good actors like to play various roles to challenge them. I don't think there has to be a prerequisite of playing a similar type character for an actor to qualify for a certain role.

Hopefully, Ledger will rise to the challenge. Look at Michael Douglas in Wall Street for example. Who in the hell knew he had that in him?

 

[Miranda Fox]

mine didn't set your off?? ..damn i need to work harder.

t: the detector is a bit faulty sometimes.

I still think the argument that because somebody hasn't played a certain role, then they never should. Besides the obvious logic failure, it's the whole point of being an actor in the first place.

Or at least, that's what I was always told in my drama classes. The World According to Fanboys takes a different and much less imaginative view, apparently.

 

[Miranda Fox]

No seriously. Good actors like to play various roles to challenge them. I don't think there has to be a prerequisite of playing a similar type character for an actor to qualify for a certain role.

Hopefully, Ledger will rise to the challenge. Look at Michael Douglas in Wall Street for example. Who in the hell knew he had that in him?

Oh, okay, it's hard to tell sometimes. Ignore my other post.

Wall Street was an awesome film. t:

 

[SUPERSEBAS]

If this movie was comprised simply of still images, I'd say Glover would be right on the money.

But have you ever heard Crispin Glover speak?

He is NOT the Joker. He speaks with a quiver in his voice; demented..but in a shaky and uncertain way. More like a weird reclusive than a raving showman.

Never have I seen him in a role where he displays the slightest hint of the (over)confidence and charisma of the Joker.

I think nothing is wrong about his voice!!! Is the way the act with his voice, for me he have an beautiful way to play the joker with that way to talk, because what I hear wen he speak, is a big contained violence on his way to talk! Please see Willard , you can see all his potencial as the joker! and how he looks in the Mcg Charlis Angels movie! his lok is fantastic

A person here say that Crispin is a little weird person, well what more do you want ????,maybe he is a little crazy and weird, and that is another good point in favor to him!

 

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

t: the detector is a bit faulty sometimes.

I still think the argument that because somebody hasn't played a certain role, then they never should. Besides the obvious logic failure, it's the whole point of being an actor in the first place.

Or at least, that's what I was always told in my drama classes. The World According to Fanboys takes a different and much less imaginative view, apparently.

well when the sarcasm is as good as mine..it can break detecters.


i'm not sure fans are less imaginative..its just that different people have different expectations of what they think there charactor should look like, sound like.

unfortunatly..you cant please everyone.

 

[raybia]

Keeps going and going and going.

 

[batmaluco]

Good actors like to play various roles to challenge them. I don't think there has to be a prerequisite of playing a similar type character for an actor to qualify for a certain role.

Exactly.

And the fact that Heath Ledger is not the first person that would come to our minds in terms of looks as being perfect to be The Joker, shows us that he was chose by his acting skills. Which Glover lacks...

 

[Cinemaman]

Ledger=Joker FOrever

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

I think nothing is wrong about his voice!!! Is the way the act with his voice, for me he have an beautiful way to play the joker with that way to talk, because what I hear wen he speak, is a big contained violence on his way to talk! Please see Willard , you can see all his potencial as the joker! and how he looks in the Mcg Charlis Angels movie! his lok is fantastic

A person here say that Crispin is a little weird person, well what more do you want ????,maybe he is a little crazy and weird, and that is another good point in favor to him!

I saw Willard. And his acting in it was not indicative of the Joker at all. Nor was his acting in Charlie's Angels, in which he was a silent assassin.

I'm not saying he couldn't do it. You don't need to have done a similar role in the past (Ledger hasn't). But that's what you're saying, that Glover's past roles are indicative of his ability to pull of Joker, and I'm saying I just don't see it.

 

[titan101]

I still not understand why having a much appropriate
actor like Crispin Glover, Nolan insists to say that Heath Ledger is the one!!!! he is a very good actor, but is not the one for that role, Crispin Glover not only have the perfect look for the joker, his performance as an actor make him a millon times better option that H.L and others!

Just look this comparitions images in the link , ( please someone post them here to everybody can see) and please vote with good criterion

http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/48785842/

i once thought like you , my friend ... and then i realized how much of a terrible choice glover would've been.



now , what I don't understand is ..... why the **** didn't they pick PAUL BETTANY??!

 

[raybia]

Oh noes!

 

[WompuM]

Good lord close this thread

 

[Katsuro]

But even after we've seen TDK, we won't know if Glover would be better. We won't definitively know that question until both Ledger and Glover appear as the Joker. Which will never happen. So, thusly, it's better to ask the question now than after we've seen TDK.

See, I think that once people see Nolan's Joker and how Ledger portrays him, they'll realize how bad Glover would have been. They'll look at Joker, then at Willard which is pretty much the only type of character he plays, and see that they have almost zero similarities. I mean seriously, can anyone point out to me one single role of Glover's that has even a shred of Joker's charm or personality?

 

[LostSon88]

Well, I see him acting, and for more good actor we can be, there is no character or movie that he made that tell me than he is good for the role !!!

As I say before, Glover have the spirit, the acting and the look. Heath have .... the oscar ? Yes! I think that is the reason for Nolan to cast him! I am sure that Nolan is going to do a good joker with Heath, now wen we see that! I only can think that all that with Glover would be much, much better!!!

Please post Images of the link I post!

This is the problem with a lot of fans casting of Ledger...the simple fact that they "can't see him as the Joker"

THAT IS THE POINT!!!!!!!!

That's what makes Nolan's interpretation that much different, the fact that we have no idea what his Joker will be like. Casting Glover would be the obvious, predicatble choice because fans would have a 'ballpark' idea what his Joker would be like. With Ledger, we have no clue.

I personally love that idea that we're kept in the dark about Ledgers approach of the Joker...it makes the character that much more mysterious and unpredicable with the simple fact taht we don't know what to think.

With Glover, I get a 'been-there, done-that' kinda vibe because based on his quirkyness and past roles, I can see how he might approach the Joker.

With Ledger, I have no idea...and that makes me anticipate his portrayal even more.

 

[Jerry]

See, I think that once people see Nolan's Joker and how Ledger portrays him, they'll realize how bad Glover would have been. They'll look at Joker, then at Willard which is pretty much the only type of character he plays, and see that they have almost zero similarities. I mean seriously, can anyone point out to me one single role of Glover's that has even a shred of Joker's charm or personality?

Yeah, exactly. There are other facets of the Joker's personality that Hedger is much more fit as an actor to portray than Glover. Glover is a character actor. The Joker role is more than that. He may be creepier than Hedger just in appearance wise, but since we really haven't seen Hedger do a dark role like this, we could just as well be surprised by how he makes it out to be.

 

[raybia]

Yeah, exactly. There are other facets of the Joker's personality that Hedger is much more fit as an actor to portray than Glover. Glover is a character actor. The Joker role is more than that. He may be creepier than Hedger just in appearance wise, but since we really haven't seen Hedger do a dark role like this, we could just as well be surprised by how he makes it out to be.

Plus, we know other versions of the Joker but we know nothing about Nolan's Joker at this point.

 

[GeoffTheArtist]

Dear Jebus,

Please tell all the noobs to ****.

Amen.

I actually was indifferent to people wanting Glover for Joker. I mean, the guy's got the look, but he, IMO, doesn't have that edge to pull off Joker.

 

[Lobster Charlie]

Isn't it fun to bicker about something you have absolutely no control over?

FFS...

 

[LostSon88]

Isn't that our duty as fanboys?