I Would...But I Know Where The Wrestling Thread Has Been

[Nemi]

Taker and Rey are one major injury away from retirement. I am thinking for Rey, they will keep him around until his replacement is ready to take over.

Before they both retire though, they need to face John Cena. I don't know how Rey and Cena would match up in the ring though. As much as I am not a John Cena fan, it's a match I want to see.

Cena and Rey had a match a few weeks ago that was I impressed with and I don't like either of them.

 

[TheIncredibleSk]

Thats not as much as Vince fault but Michelle McCool and The Undertaker's fault. But either way im through arguing this. Gail Kim can't just sit her ass on her couch while being fed by chef husband then she can do whatever the hell she wants for all I care.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Cena and Rey had a match a few weeks ago that was I impressed with and I don't like either of them.

Should be a feud. I remember that match, it was a good match.

 

[Nemi]

Should be a feud. I remember that match, it was a good match.

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[TheIncredibleSk]

I also don't dislike Gail Kim. I dislike how she handled herself and I find her boring but shes a good wrestler.

 

[Metallo]

Was it WWE's fault she couldn't get over when they actually gave a **** about Women's wrestling and gave a huge push?

Seems like you've got selective memory. Her first go around she was somewhat over and she had some good matches. her problem was she was injury prone during that period and that DID damage her momentum somewhat but you failed to even point that out. Or were you just going to gloss over that?

If your going to talk about her not being over or not tell the WHOLE story.

Maybe you'd care to cite some examples of how she was not over circa 2004 since you feel SO sure about it.

The fact is her second go around in WWE was botched by them from almost the minute she signed.

They STALLED her debut for a long time and kept pushing it back but you failed to mention that. Was that her fault?

We never REALLY got the marquee matches she was capable of and it was in a division where many of the good female talents were fired or marginalized, they weren't given enough time, and they had to carry a bunch of girls who were as green as gumby.

How EASY is it to get over in a 3 minute match when you have to carry someone as weak a worker as Maryse?

The barbies were the focus...not the workers. And the people barely give a damn about the barbies.

Im not ****ing defending Vince. I never said Vince was right and I even said I dislike Vince. Im not defending him at all. I haven't even defended WWE. All im saying was that she chose money and was given opportunities. Im not gonna debate you if your just gonna lie.

And yet you say I'm biased against Vince the first chance you get instead of keeping it on the issue. What would you call that? if you didn't feel the need to defend Vince you wouldn't have even brought that up.

Now you call me a liar. how is that not trying to insult me?

You have defended WWE. You said you'd do the same thing they did in this situation. And you STILL haven't answered my question on the WWE's classification of their wrestlers. If Gail Kim WAS an independent contractor she could have gone out on her own and gotten over while she was with WWE. But she never got that chance even though by her classification she SHOULD be able to work for other promotions as long as it doesn't interfere with her duties for WWE. She never got that chance.

You seem to know ALL the terms of Gail Kims employment to the point that you can defend WWE so answer that one.

 

[bullets]

Anyone think Wrestlemania 28 will be the last for Rey Mysterio, Big Show and Kane?

I think Kane and Big Show still have some mileage on them. When it comes to Rey Mysterio and Undertaker, it could be any day now.


Also what Gail Kim did was unprofessional but sometimes you have to take certain measure to prove a point. Of course this could of happened to anyone in a rumble. I remember Owen Hart and Hbk were feuding during a rumble and Owen got eliminated but the camera missed the spot. There's so much going on it's hard to call. A fan could consider her "uprising" a botch , lol.

 

[Mr.Webs]

I miss the crap out of that Cena.

 

[Metallo]

Thats not as much as Vince fault but Michelle McCool and The Undertaker's fault. But either way im through arguing this. Gail Kim can't just sit her ass on her couch while being fed by chef husband then she can do whatever the hell she wants for all I care.

You show your dislike right there by talking about her chef husband. What does her personal life have to do with ANY of this besides you trying to make a wiseass joke at her expense?

Didn't YOU say Vince was the boss? How is it NOT his fault how McCool got pushed. Vince makes the final decision. And yet you try to deflect the blame away from him again. Is he the boss or isn't he?

 

[Dr. Evil]

I think Kane and Big Show still have some mileage on them. When it comes to Rey Mysterio and Undertaker, it could be any day now.

Then the WWE needs to bring Mistico back as Sin Cara and push him to the moon despite his issues.

When Rey retires there wil be a void to market to Latinos. I don't think Del Rio is that guy.

 

[TheIncredibleSk]

Whatever Metallo, I guess I defend WWE. Also its common sense why Vince made that decision. You keep the ****ing Undertaker happy. I'd do that. Go ahead and say im defending Vince but thats common sense,

 

[Metallo]

If Gail Kim speaks her mind, the WWE punishes her. If CM Punk does it though he gets a new contract, plus in a storyline with Triple H.

Just the nature of how things are going in the WWE. And it's all based on status in the WWE.

Masters improves and gets fired. They ADMIT to him he improved and he gets fired. I'm hoping this is a work but if not then just supports what I'm talking about. Its not always about doing your job or getting over.

Zack Ryder DID start to get over on his own and what did WWE try to do? Bury him. Vince wants what he wants.

A turd in a punchbowl is more over than David Otunga but Otunga still has a job.

Charlie Hass asked...ASKED for his release and they told him no like he was a f***ng slave. He wasn't unprofessional he did it the "proper" way and he got the same stonewalling Gail Kim is gettign now.

Why don't you explain why that happened to Hass, TheIncredibleSk

Whatever Metallo, I guess I defend WWE. Also its common sense why Vince made that decision. You keep the ****ing Undertaker happy. I'd do that. Go ahead and say im defending Vince but thats common sense,

Its not professional...its favoritism. And not even DIRECT favoritism at that. McCool got a super push because of what her old man did. Even though you've gone on about professionalism during this whole thing that shows that WWE wasn't "professional' themselves when it comes to the treatment of talent.

You talk about Gail Kim getting over on her own merits and being given opportunities when THAT kind of sh** goes on??? Doesn't hold water, dude.

And your "common sense" excuse for McCool is exactly why women like Gail Kim had such a hard time getting over. How could they when they worked in an environment like that?

how the hell do they get over when women with connections to the very top get preferential treatment and the lions share of the time? The playing field is not even so to expect Gail to just easily come in and get over with a snap of her fingers is absurd.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Taker is one of the WWE's top guys, of course Vince has to make him happy.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Masters improves and gets fired. They ADMIT to him he improved and he gets fired. I'm hoping this is a work but if not then just supports what I'm talking about. Its not always about doing your job or getting over.

Zack Ryder DID start to get over on his own and what did WWE try to do? Bury him. Vince wants what he wants.

A turd in a punchbowl is more over than David Otunga but Otunga still has a job.

He has a job until his woman breaks up with him in favor of someone in a more respectable business like acting or music. The chances are really high that she's embarrased at his current line of work.

 

[bullets]

I miss the crap out of that Cena.

I think Cena is doing exactly what he should right now. Hes just being horrible on the mic to sell for Punk

 

[Wheels]

I think Cena is doing exactly what he should right now. Hes just being horrible on the mic to sell for Punk

I think Cena has been pretty good the past couple of months.

 

[Metallo]

He has a job until his woman breaks up with him in favor of someone in a more respectable business like acting or music. The chances are really high that she's embarrased at his current line of work.

And yet Sk says its about "getting over" when in some cases getting over doesn't mean sh** when it comes to treatment in WWE. Otunga aint over...

And since he probably won't answer this I'll answer for him. They stalled Charlie Hass on his release because it was a control thing. Hass WANTED to leave but they couldn't have him have any power so they made him WAIT then they released him on their terms.

Even though he DIDN't break any rules, he did his job, he wasn't unprofessional. He didn't roll out of the ring or any sh** like that.

If it was about being professional Charlie Hass would have gotten his release the first day he asked for it. Gail Kim could have done the same thing Hass did and still be getting treated the way she is right now.

Its the same story over and over. How could Low Ki/Kaval get over when he was jobbed out to oblivion? but I guess he'll get the sole blame for not getting over.

 

[bullets]

I think Cena has been pretty good the past couple of months.

Well maybe I shouldn't say horrible but I think he's been holding back so Punk comes off better. It seemed odd when he freaked out on Albert Del Rio this past Monday.

 

[Dr. Evil]

David Otunga no longer exists to me. From now on it's Mr. Jennifer Hudson. She's more famous and is an Academy Award Winner (although time will tell if she is one of those one year wonder types or a repeat Oscar contender, we'll see what happens when that biopic she does on former South African First Lady Winnie Mandela comes out) and a singer.

 

[TheIncredibleSk]

And yet Sk says its about "getting over" when in some cases getting over doesn't mean sh** when it comes to treatment in WWE. Otunga aint over...

And since he probably won't answer this I'll answer for him. They stalled Charlie Hass on his release because it was a control thing. Hass WANTED to leave but they couldn't have him have any power so they made him WAIT then they released him on their terms.

Even though he DIDN't break any rules, he did his job, he wasn't unprofessional. He didn't roll out of the ring or any sh** like that.

If it was about being professional Charlie Hass would have gotten his release the first day he asked for it. Gail Kim could have done the same thing Hass did and still be getting treated the way she is right now.

Its the same story over and over. How could Low Ki/Kaval get over when he was jobbed out to oblivion? but I guess he'll get the sole blame for not getting over.

Was he given chances like Gail Kim was given? Nope. Also I didn't answer the Charlie Has thing because im not defending The E. That was wrong but it isn't the same situation. They **** up on people but I stand by what I said on Gail Kim. She was given chances. Some are given chances when they don't deserve them. Yes, thats also true. I don't know what your trying to prove. The E has screwed up guys and are screwing guy up today.

 

[TheIncredibleSk]

Also Their have been many of people who did what Charlie Hass did and was let go.

 

[Wheels]

Well maybe I shouldn't say horrible but I think he's been holding back so Punk comes off better. It seemed odd when he freaked out on Albert Del Rio this past Monday.

I would say Cena has been doing the best mic work he can given his"superhero who makes poop jokes" character. The truth is he's been holding back on the mic for years.

 

[Metallo]

Was he given chances like Gail Kim was given? Nope.

Exactly what chances was Gail Kim given? You keep talking about them why don't you NAME some of them for once.

Also I didn't answer the Charlie Has thing because im not defending The E. That was wrong but it isn't the same situation.

Thats my point. He DID do the right thing and he got the same treatment Gail Kim is getting.

They **** up on people but I stand by what I said on Gail Kim. She was given chances. Some are given chances when they don't deserve them. Yes, thats also true. I don't know what your trying to prove. The E has screwed up guys and are screwing guy up today.

Again WHAT f***ing chances are you talking about? name ten. better yet name five. And I don't mean a 3 minute match on Raw against some big hootered blond bimbo who doesn't know a headlock from Johnny Ace's zipper. I mean a legitimate CHANCE against another decent hand in the ring in a match that actually mattered.

My POINT is Gail Kim is getting treated the way she is right now NOT because she was "unprofessional" as you put it" but that she dared to criticism how she was used and ask for her release. McMahon doesn't give enough of a damn about the Divas to even be bothered with what Gail Kim did. She said herself NOBODY said anything to her that night.

Gail Kim could have probably done even worse than she did and nothing would have happened. She spoke up about her frustration and WANTED to leave on her terms. Vince McMahon being the control freak he is can't have people doing that. You leave you leave on his terms. Its the same way he buried Chavo even worse than usual to send a message to Vickie Guerrero after she left the first time to spend more time with her kids.

Gail spoke up and ASKED for her release while speaking on her frustrations. THATS why she's getting treated the way she is. And thats bullsh**. WWE wouldn't miss a beat if she left but they have to make an example out of her. Not because she committed a wrong but to send a message to the talent and enforce that atmosphere of control.

 

[Dr. Evil]

I would say Cena has been doing the best mic work he can given his"superhero who makes poop jokes" character. The truth is he's been holding back on the mic for years.

Well, some kids do love poop jokes.

 

[TheIncredibleSk]

Exactly what chances was Gail Kim given? You keep talking about them why don't you NAME some of them for once.



Thats my point. He DID do the right thing and he got the same treatment Gail Kim is getting.




Again WHAT f***ing chances are you talking about? name ten. better yet name five. And I don't mean a 3 minute match on Raw against some big hootered blond bimbo who doesn't know a headlock from Johnny Ace's zipper. I mean a legitimate CHANCE against another decent hand in the ring in a match that actually mattered.

My POINT is Gail Kim is getting treated the way she is right now NOT because she was "unprofessional" as you put it" but that she dared to criticism how she was used and ask for her release. McMahon doesn't give enough of a damn about the Divas to even be bothered with what Gail Kim did. She said herself NOBODY said anything to her that night.

Gail Kim could have probably done even worse than she did and nothing would have happened. She spoke up about her frustration and WANTED to leave on her terms. Vince McMahon being the control freak he is can't have people doing that. You leave you leave on his terms. Its the same way he buried Chavo even worse than usual to send a message to Vickie Guerrero after she left the first time to spend more time with her kids.

Gail spoke up and ASKED for her release while speaking on her frustrations. THATS why she's getting treated the way she is. And thats bullsh**. WWE wouldn't miss a beat if she left but they have to make an example out of her. Not because she committed a wrong but to send a message to the talent and enforce that atmosphere of control.

In her first year back, she got three title opportunities and the chance your wanting is ridiclous since most divas don't get 5-10 opportunities. Hell Kelly Kelly is the most over diva in WWE for like the last the 3 years and Gail got most chances than her.