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The TUF fights in season 15 are going to be aired live instead of taped, so we'll see how that effects ratings. A lot of those fights can be terrible due to people having bad cardio and gameplans, so I don't think Smackdown has anything to worry about unless they start showcasing some of the better smaller fighters.
 
http://www.gerweck.net/2011/08/20/p...-natalya-bret-dynamite-kid-benoit-anvil-more/

Part II with Diana Hart – talks Natalya, Bret, Dynamite Kid, Benoit, Anvil, more

Back by popular demand, Diana Hart of the legendary Hart, returns for Part II of our interview. Diana shares her thoughts on her niece Natalya’s career, provides updates on Jim “The Anvil” Neidhart and The Dynamite Kid, explains the tension between Davey Boy Smith and The Dynamite Kid, her thoughts on Vince McMahon, comments on her relationship with brother Bret, and much more in this one plus interview.

A few highlights:

- Diana was told by Developmental trainer Steve Keirn: “WWE does not want athletes for their divas.”

- On Natalya: “She’s under-utilized for sure.”


To book Diana and/or Harry Smith, e-mail [email protected]
 
http://www.gerweck.net/2011/08/20/p...-natalya-bret-dynamite-kid-benoit-anvil-more/

Part II with Diana Hart – talks Natalya, Bret, Dynamite Kid, Benoit, Anvil, more

Back by popular demand, Diana Hart of the legendary Hart, returns for Part II of our interview. Diana shares her thoughts on her niece Natalya’s career, provides updates on Jim “The Anvil” Neidhart and The Dynamite Kid, explains the tension between Davey Boy Smith and The Dynamite Kid, her thoughts on Vince McMahon, comments on her relationship with brother Bret, and much more in this one plus interview.

A few highlights:

- Diana was told by Developmental trainer Steve Keirn: “WWE does not want athletes for their divas.”

- On Natalya: “She’s under-utilized for sure.”


To book Diana and/or Harry Smith, e-mail [email protected]

Gail Kim probably agrees with that statement.

Does not matter if Gail worked her ass off for years or Natalya or the many who have.

Vince will Doll you up, tone down your wrestling (am I allowed to say that word when it comes to WWE??), but in the end it will always be a model like woman who will gladly show as much skin as possible who gets the spotlight.
 
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eve Torres ,beth ,and natlya are great athletes

they just dont want athletes with no personality
 
looking at last page i would love for a Sid return he would be better than nash

i just love sid's music
 
Harry I get, but why would anyone want to book Diana?

and on Melinas asking price for bookings....if I had $3000 Id book her and make her job to my 10 yr old nephew who is still in his "I hate girls" phase
 
eve Torres ,beth ,and natlya are great athletes

they just dont want athletes with no personality

Thats three out of how many on the current Diva roster? And if you've noticed they've forced out or gotten rid of many of the women why could work and did have superior athletic prowess. Kong is the only recent exception to join the Division.

I'll admit AJ Lee does have a lot off potential though. One of the better rookie females I've seen come along in a long time.

What they want to do is take good looking women and try to MAKE them better athletes. That doesn't always work though.

For every Trish Stratus there are ten Ashley Massaros...and a whole hell of a lot of itching crotches in the back.
 
eve Torres ,beth ,and natlya are great athletes

they just dont want athletes with no personality

And yet they never really use Beth and Nat properly. They doll them up, tone down the "wrestling" stick them with.. "your tough ladies so you do power moves.. you wrestle (errr perform) how Vince wants you to." But when push comes to shove, someone like Kelly Kelly will get the spotlight.
 
Eves problems are two fold. She's one of the best athletes in the division but she's not the best worker. And while she does have more personality and better mic skills than Kelly Kelly thats irrelevant in todays on screen climate because the audience doesn't take the division seriously. They're treated like eye candy so the audience only pays attention when theres eye candy.

The audience doesn't really respond to Eve and I'd say thats because they know the division isn't relevant. Why should they shouldn't care. Kelly is an attractive blond perky cheerleader type and that gets her the response it does.
 
i wish eve used more submissions in her ring work since she does have a blue belt in Gracie Jiu-Jitsu and she also does Kick boxing
 
Eves problems are two fold. She's one of the best athletes in the division but she's not the best worker. And while she does have more personality and better mic skills than Kelly Kelly thats irrelevant in todays on screen climate because the audience doesn't take the division seriously. They're treated like eye candy so the audience only pays attention when theres eye candy.

The audience doesn't really respond to Eve and I'd say thats because they know the division isn't relevant. Why should they shouldn't care. Kelly is an attractive blond perky cheerleader type and that gets her the response it does.

sorry...missed this post...was taking a pee break

maybe they should bring back Trashley and form a stable with some of the other girls....call them 'The Back Alley Crab Muffins'

i wish eve used more submissions in her ring work since she does have a blue belt in Gracie Jiu-Jitsu and she also does Kick boxing

:lmao: oh oh thats rich

my mom does Tae Bo, lets get her on SmackDown
 
Smackdown felt uneventful today, for a show coming off of Summerslam. Looking forward to Mark and Orton fued. I want to see Orton get tossed around just like the Uso flying into the announce table.
 
I think someone like Natalya or Beth would be better in MMA should they decide not to do pro wrestling anymore. But their options would be limited.

Would be left with Bellator in the United States. Of course, then the rumors of Cris Cyborg to WWE would probably start to heat up. Gina Carano will probably end up doing movies whenever Strikeforce folds into the UFC.
 
sorry...missed this post...was taking a pee break

maybe they should bring back Trashley and form a stable with some of the other girls....call them 'The Back Alley Crab Muffins'



:lmao: oh oh thats rich

my mom does Tae Bo, lets get her on SmackDown
:dry:yes tae bo is the same as BJJ WTF and i am not joking she actually trains BJJ
 
Training with the Gracies in MMA is like training with either Stu Hart or Killer Kowalski in pro wrestling. Or in recent years, with the Wild Samoans. They are the first family of MMA.

If Eve can get her punches and kicks squared away, she could be a decent fighter. Again though, she might be better off in pro wrestling as options for Female MMA is limited.
 
The Godwinns interview recap from www.IYHWrestling.com
by Taso the Greek

Jack E. Jones and OneInchBiceps are joined right off the bat with two guests on the show, a first for IYH! The Godwinns! Henry O. Godwinn & Phinias I. Godwinn, aka "Naked Mideon" Dennis Knight and Mark Cantabury, aka Southern Justice, aka Shanghai Pierce & Tex Slazenger, the list of names goes on and on. Jack feels the Southern Justice tag team could have been a bigger success and should have had a bigger run and both guests agree. Jack asks how often the guys talk to each other and they reply about once a week, and then suggest they may be moving in with each other and even marrying each other.



Who came up with the names Tex and Shaghai? Dusty & Barry Windham came up with them a movie called "Gunfight at The OK Coral. Mark was doing WCW shows already and working with Erik Watts, Denis did a try-out and got big ups from Dusty, and WCW ended up putting them together. They tried to tell a tale of how they got together, one night at the Ramada Hotel in Atlanta, but it ended up being a sordid story they really didn't want to tell. Why was only one man masked? Mark was working with Erik Watts, so they wanted to bring them in as new characters that no one would recognize. Why did the fans chant when Dennis threw a punch? Not sure why but Ole Anderson didn't like it. Why did Henry Godwinn come in after Phinias Godwinn? Mark wasn't sure, but eventually they got together in the WWF and they clicked right away. Even after so many years together they never had a fight or any problems. Mark talked about how they were able to hang out with all the cliques, one night they would hang out with Undertaker and Yokozuna and the next night they would hang out with HHH and HBK. They mentioned the "BSK", which Jack curiously commented on, and although the Godwinns did not want to tell what "BSK" stood for they eventually told the story. First they said call the Deadman, but then they told then IYH crew that it stood for "Bone Street Krew". Yoko and Undertaker came up with it, all the members got tattoos, including Godfather, Savio Vega, Krush, Paul Bearer, & Rikishi.



Mark said he and Tex were friends for a long time, Mark lost his son in an accidental shooting and that they had been through a lot together. Mark mentioned how someone had once pulled a gun on them and Dennis saved his life.



The Godwinns will be doing an autograph signing soon with the New Age Outlaws, and they both mention how they get along very well with them. Dennis says the three guys he is in constant contact with are Mark, Undertaker, and Road Dogg.




Jack asked if there was a lot of tension between all the cliques in WWF? The Godwinns mention that there was at first, but a bus trip in Germany broke the ice and everyone got along after that. There is a famous picture of the whiole crew in the back of the bus. Someone hinted there was an herbal remedy that brought them all together. George The Animal Steele was the man who took this infamous picture. They also state that after that night, Stone Cold and the Attitude Era took off soon afterwards. They feel they had the best crew of wrestlers ever, at that time. Mark and Dennis said they policed themselves and one time they had to have a talking too with someone, and they were the unofficial policemen of the locker room. They also said wrestling court did exist, and either it was Undertaker, Ron Simmons, or Yokozuna who held court and people would present their case, and then a decision would be made. Typical punishment would happen if people disrespected themselves or the company. Sunny was one person who went through the system. They talked about the BodyDonnas and Chris Candido, they loved Chris and felt that Sunny treated him poorly. Jack asked how she felt about being "slopped"? She had no choice but it was fun for them. The Godwinns say they put a little extra slop in the bucket, although not them per se, but they would put the slop bucket in a room full of wrestlers and then, whatever happened to that slop, happend. Were they around for when Mark Henry ate a turd sandwhich? X-Pac was involved, as Mark Henry was on crutches, they ordered Subway, and poop ended up in his 5$ foot long. Ahmed Johnson once wanted to hang out with the Godwinns, and they said he sure as hell did, to the tune of a $5,000 trashing of his hotel room. Everyone wanted one night of partying with the Godwinns.



Spec_Sun from the message board asked about their run as Southern Justice and should they have won the titles? Thoughts on Jeff Jarrett popped up at this point, as did kind words about Jeff's departed wife. Both guys had nothing bad to say about Jeff or his family. Jack asked if they had any thoughts of working in TNA, but The Godwinns said they were too beat up to work again.



Thoughts on CM Punk: I believe Dennis had given Punk proper respect for being a hard worker and a real wrestler. He said the night of this last PPV, Summer Slam, he texted Punk before the show, and Punk texted him back. He didn't like to do this but he compared Punk to Steve Austin, said he was a great worker and very respectful. Both guys said he has paid in dues. The Godwinns mention they will have a shoot interview coming soon, and Mark mentions that they will lay it all out on the line for this shoot and tell some pretty interesting stories about the business and their lives. September 17th is the date they will do the shoot.



Gene the Drunk called in, touting the slop match with HHH as the best match he has ever seen. The Godwinns said that Vince McMahon gave them alot of praise following that match as well. Back on the shoot interview Mark mentions he has 21 years of stuff to get off his chest and he won't hold anything back. Dennis chimed in with the fact that he did not hate anyone in the business except one guy, Ric Flair.



When they first started in WCW, Barry Windham asked them if they wanted to tour with him (to the next town? on the road?), and no one had a problem with them, but Ric Flair would always be a dick, especially to Dennis, and ask them to leave the room because of Horsemen business. Dennis said that Flair wasn't too bad to Mark, but Mark had his own story about the Horsemen. They traveled the road with Double A and Pee Wee (Randy Anderson?), and Arn said they were too good at making others look good, and basically soon, WCW was letting people go, and all of Flair's buddies did not get terminated. But Dennis and Mark both were happy because they felt their WWF run was awesome, and they would not have had their moment in Madison Square Garden and winning the title. That was also the same night Razor and Nash left the company and had that hug-in with the Clique in the ring. The Godwinns felt that this was disrespectful to the WWF and the boys. They mentioned how some guys got preferential treatment and how there were nights they had to put "world champions" to bed in the hotel because they were too intoxicated to even undress. No names were mentioned, wink wink.



Did the Godwinns ever get in trouble or have to face "wrestler's court"? No. They never did much to warrant trouble.



What was Yokozuna like as a person? He was awesome, in the ring and out, and he would invite them to huge barbecues where he lived in California and they always felt invited and comfortable around his family.



What did Mark think of Naked Mideon? He didn't know what to think. Dennis said it was partly Kurt Angle's idea. Dennis ribbed everyone when they asked for people to come out for a meet and greet and he showed up naked with just a fanny-pack. The next day Vince asked him to do it and it becamse a part of the show. Dennis was happy he din't have to wrestle for 6-8 months, but just run to the ring naked.



The remainder of IYH was filled with a re-cap of this last weeks RAW plus lots of calls from the IYH listeners. They covered everything from Melina's departure to WSU, women's wrestling in-general, Triple H and his new role in the company, thoughts on Johnny Swinger's idea about being a transgender wrestler, has MITB run its' course, and so much more about the world of professional wrestling.


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WWE is always trying to repeat the success they had with Trish, over and over again, it makes me wonder what the divas division would be like if Trish didn't become a success or if there would even be a divas division.
 
There would have been a division because they were already moving in that direction. Would it have been AS successful for as long as it was? hard to say. The overall show was much stronger then and they had the talent for the division but they needed a star and Trish was the star. hard to say if anyone else could have filled that void. Lita and Mickie are the only ones that could have come close if Trish wasn't around.
 
WWE is always trying to repeat the success they had with Trish, over and over again, it makes me wonder what the divas division would be like if Trish didn't become a success or if there would even be a divas division.

They're less concerned with trying to repeat the success of Trish and more concerned with not trying to have another Sable.
 
Actually they're trying to do both. Its clear they are trying to recreate the stratus formula but they don't want a drama queen with too much popularity walking out like Sable did and causing them trouble.

Of course Sable never figured out that without WWE she was nothing. She didn't have any other talents to capitalize on her WWE popularity.
 
Mickie could have been the person to fill Trish's shoes, but look how they treated her.

Favouritism towards McCool helped to ruin the women's division.
 
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