BvS IF Christian Bale returns as Batman...

[Herolee10]

But you could say that about any threat in any solo movie. Like MOS, Zod's undertaking on Metropolis, if Flash existed or any other superhero, aka Batman, they could have helped in some way or fashion, but it's not part of the story. Like with Iron Man 3, you don't see Thor or Hulk interfering with Tony Stark's story. The solo movies are it's own thing, just bring the other superheros in after credits.

Regarding Thor’s absence, it has been established that as soon as Thor went back to Asgard with Loki, he had to get ready for another War that was spanning across the nine realms. I doubt that Thor would have the time to go back to Earth unless a threat was present on the planet that was bigger than what he was currently getting ready for, aka the Dark Elves.

Regarding Hulk, Banner went back into living off the grid and by the time news of Iron Man’s predicament would have reached him, the events of Iron Man 3 were probably over. Plus, Iron Man was presumed dead by the public at that point or MIA, and Banner would have no means of knowing how to contact Stark.

Plus, the rest of the DCU hasn’t been really established yet, so for all you know, the Flash doesn’t even exist right now due to Barry probably not having received his powers yet. Superman may very well be the only superpowered hero on Earth at the moment.

He is Batman, he isn't not supposed to be in the light like Superman, so I could see Batman just appearing once for the events in MOS2. Plus, they don't get into why Batman is limping around, they choke it off that the injuries were sustained while he was Batman, and if you clock the time he was Batman, it wasn't that long that he had the suit on. It was just an idea of explaining the injuries to fit in the timeline.

Honestly, you’re not the first person to have issues with the fact that in Nolan’s world, Bruce wasn’t Batman for a long period in his life. But the fact of the matter is, Batman was MIA for 8 years, which was well established in TDKR. If Batman showed up in Metropolis after the events of TDK, then that would contradict what was said in TDKR. No matter how good batman is at hiding, unless he had very little to do with Superman, then people would have spotted him during his time with Superman.

And I just said that the reason why Batman has a bad knee is because of his fall from the ledge after having pushed Harvey to his death.

He may have fixed it, but i don't see how he could escape in 5 seconds from a nuclear blast, it's unnatural and unrealistic, it get's into Kingdom of the Crystal SKull territory, so that is where the unnatural comes into factor. Just a fun little idea to fit both universes together. That could be the end credit scene in MOS2.

I just said that it’s very likely that Bruce WASN’T IN the main ship that was carrying away the bomb into the ocean and that he probably left it during the chaos while no one was looking.

I understand that people want to see Bale as batman again, let alone alongside Henry’s Superman, but to connect Nolan’s Batman with Snyder’s Superman would undermine what TDKR was trying to establish, that Bruce needed to move on from his life as Batman and live for himself. Bruce is done being Batman. End of story.

There’s no logical way to put these two universes together without trashing some of the continuity in Nolan’s trilogy in the process.

 

[mclay18]

I can't believe that this discussion is still going on.

Stranger things have happened. Never say 'no' until it's official.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

That's the brilliance of it! mwahahaha.

Seriously, that's why I would want it. Acting chops, big name and someone you can't see in the role at all.

Going up against Batman and Superman on screen is going to require something unique.

Though they might have to change his name to blindside the audience.
Hello, I'm Alex Luthor. You can call me Lex.

Then have it turn out that Lex is the real name, and Alex the nickname

 

[I'm Venom]

I just said that it’s very likely that Bruce WASN’T IN the main ship that was carrying away the bomb into the ocean and that he probably left it during the chaos while no one was looking.

I understand that people want to see Bale as batman again, let alone alongside Henry’s Superman, but to connect Nolan’s Batman with Snyder’s Superman would undermine what TDKR was trying to establish, that Bruce needed to move on from his life as Batman and live for himself. Bruce is done being Batman. End of story.

There’s no logical way to put these two universes together without trashing some of the continuity in Nolan’s trilogy in the process.

Sure, but they could play off the idea that the arrival of Superman changes everything. It's that simple. There's nothing in the logic that would be violated by Superman arriving on Earth one day after the last movie ends.

 

[shauner111]

I just like the idea of Bruce having a good 5 years off in peace. With no intention on living in Gotham anymore, and no intention on stepping on Blake's toes, he returns to make his own suit to confront Superman and Lex. Why? Not because he's depressed or lost someone again. Not for selfish reasons. But for the people of the planet and Metropolis. Aliens would change everything for Bruce. He wouldn't sit by.

 

[Herolee10]

Sure, but they could play off the idea that the arrival of Superman changes everything. It's that simple. There's nothing in the logic that would be violated by Superman arriving on Earth one day after the last movie ends.

There is when it's been pretty established in the Nolan films that Bruce isn't interested in saving the world..he was only interested/invested in saving Gotham.

I just don't get the need to risk tarnishing a franchise/trilogy, that's considered by many to be great overall, just for the sake of a film that's coming out that was created to be more of a gimmick film (Batman meeting Superman) than a film with great quality.

Plus, Bruce's Body, as they further established in TDKR, cannot take anymore punishment and he wouldn't be able to do much against Superman or an onslaught of even more powerful criminals.

 

[DIRECTOR]

It was 5 months not 3 (Bane's siege).

Oh okay, same thing, two months longer.

It cant work with such a large universe. It could only work if Superman and Batman are the only thing to this shared universe. I keep stressing that because it's true. Wonder Woman is always my exception. If you include Flash, then you're including Arrow and those events. Then you may as well start including all the others. It doesn't work unless it's 2 or 3 characters ONLY in one universe.

Why can't it work? All these heroes don't live in the same city. Flash got his own city to protect, so does Batman, and so does others. WW has her own realm to deal with. JL will bring them together for a bigger threat than just their cities, i don't see why it can't work at all?

I don't mind Superman saving Bats but I feel it would be like a 'Sandman was the one who killed Uncle Ben!" moment.

Uh? that analogy is totally off. The Sandman storyline of him killing Uncle Ben was the worst change in the Spiderman franchise, and it's because it's major change in the Spiderman origins. How is Superman saving Batman at the end of TDKR compare?

Superman would literally have to die or be taken out of the game for quite a while during Rises, for it to work. We're talking a "Death Of Superman" Doomsday storyline in the 2nd or 3rd solo Superman.

Mos3 and MOS4? Yes, this is the only thing that kind of ruins the idea. Where was Superman in those 5 months? But that is the question that you can put in any DC comic film lol. Just like Clark's glasses, you just have to overlook that part and just assume Superman is busy and unavailable. Plus, I don't see why it's plausible that Superman assumes Batman is dealing with it during those months. I mean, i don't think these superheros will step on each other's toes. Plus, the public doesn't know that Batman is missing.

Could Batman REALLY get away with not being seen in public in Metropolis during some fight with Superman? I say hell no.

Well the events in MOS2 would definitely not be years. Whatever threat Superman / Batman has to deal with, it may take a few days. Superman's ordeal with Zod lasted literally 2 days. It's not like we got clarification whether day 1 of Batman's disappearance was the day after Harvey Dent dies. So i say HELL YES!

If they can find a way id be down but I see too many gaps. But it works fine after Rises as long as Bruce doesn't go back to being severely depressed or back to Batman in Gotham City.

the problem is that John Blake exists and Bruce Wayne dies. For MOS2 to occur after TDKR creates alot of loopholes, which can't be addressed in MOS2. For Bruce Wayne to suddenly show up in MOS2, it would a huh moment. What i would rather have is have TDKR the last movie of all DC films. Those 8 years that Batman was absent, he was busy with MOS2 and JL. Kind of like what they did with Tokyo Drift in the Fast and Furious series.

 

[I'm Venom]

There is when it's been pretty established in the Nolan films that Bruce isn't interested in saving the world..he was only interested/invested in saving Gotham.

I just don't get the need to risk tarnishing a franchise/trilogy, that's considered by many to be great overall, just for the sake of a film that's coming out that was created to be more of a gimmick film (Batman meeting Superman) than a film with great quality.


Plus, Bruce's Body, as they further established in TDKR, cannot take anymore punishment and he wouldn't be able to do much against Superman or an onslaught of even more powerful criminals.

You remember when Zack Snyder hinted at making a Batman film set in Bruce Wayne's later years (ala Dark Knight Returns)? It would make sense and put it in the same tone, yet give him the opportunity to not step on Nolan's toes with what he continued and finished.

 

[ChrisB]

Why isn't WB throwing Robert Downey Jr. money at Christian Bale?! They'd easily make it all back in the opening weekend alone.

I'm not sure just adding Batman will make them a guarenteed $1 billion. But with Bale as Batman? I'd say the $1 billion figure would be a very reasonable goal.

 

[DIRECTOR]

Regarding Thor’s absence, it has been established that as soon as Thor went back to Asgard with Loki, he had to get ready for another War that was spanning across the nine realms. I doubt that Thor would have the time to go back to Earth unless a threat was present on the planet that was bigger than what he was currently getting ready for, aka the Dark Elves.

Regarding Hulk, Banner went back into living off the grid and by the time news of Iron Man’s predicament would have reached him, the events of Iron Man 3 were probably over. Plus, Iron Man was presumed dead by the public at that point or MIA, and Banner would have no means of knowing how to contact Stark.

Plus, the rest of the DCU hasn’t been really established yet, so for all you know, the Flash doesn’t even exist right now due to Barry probably not having received his powers yet. Superman may very well be the only superpowered hero on Earth at the moment.

When having a universe full superheroes, during a solo movie, you have to throw away those questions out the door. Why Superman didn't help Flash in his solo movie or in Flash 3. Why didnt Flash come to help Superman in MOS3? Where was Martian Manhunter in the Wonder Woman sequal. After JL, those are the questions that people would ask. Like I said to another poster, in the solo movies, you don't want other heroes to come and step on each other toes, so Superman not being available during the 5 months Bale conquering makes sense because Superman was busy with his world. As long as all these movies are set in the real world, which both Nolan's Batman and MOS was, i don't see why they can't fit.

Honestly, you’re not the first person to have issues with the fact that in Nolan’s world, Bruce wasn’t Batman for a long period in his life. But the fact of the matter is, Batman was MIA for 8 years, which was well established in TDKR. If Batman showed up in Metropolis after the events of TDK, then that would contradict what was said in TDKR. No matter how good batman is at hiding, unless he had very little to do with Superman, then people would have spotted him during his time with Superman.

And I just said that the reason why Batman has a bad knee is because of his fall from the ledge after having pushed Harvey to his death.

I still dont' see why it can't work. It's not like Batman made an announcement in TDKR that he stopped being Batman for 8 years. 8 years in average, he wasn't Batman. Plus IT WAS NOT ESTABLISHED THAT THIS KNEE INJURY WAS FROM THE LAST SCENE IN TDK.

I just said that it’s very likely that Bruce WASN’T IN the main ship that was carrying away the bomb into the ocean and that he probably left it during the chaos while no one was looking.

I understand that people want to see Bale as batman again, let alone alongside Henry’s Superman, but to connect Nolan’s Batman with Snyder’s Superman would undermine what TDKR was trying to establish, that Bruce needed to move on from his life as Batman and live for himself. Bruce is done being Batman. End of story.

There’s no logical way to put these two universes together without trashing some of the continuity in Nolan’s trilogy in the process.

For the ship scenario, until we see that somehow Batman escaped the ship before he left the city to the ocean is a stretch. Since it's not shown, in the movie, i'm playing it now, we see a shot of Batman, and than the countdown at 5 seconds, and than BOOM. So, it's open to interpretation, and it's left like that intentionally i believe just in case, Goyer did write MOS you know and he had Superman in his mind while writing TDKR.

For the undermining what TDKR was trying to establish that you said, that is why i placed MOS2 before TDKR. Christian Bale coming back to MOS2 is the Bale after TDK and before TDKR, so i think it fits.

 

[BatLobster]

Why isn't WB throwing Robert Downey Jr. money at Christian Bale?! They'd easily make it all back in the opening weekend alone.

I'm not sure just adding Batman will make them a guarenteed $1 billion. But with Bale as Batman? I'd say the $1 billion figure would be a very reasonable goal.

Who's to say they haven't already tried?

I truly and honestly don't think money is that kind of factor for Bale right now. He's an Oscar-winning A-lister and he's not hurting for work by any means. His career is probably hotter than ever. The bottom line is I don't think he is willing to play Batman again unless Chris Nolan is directing, no matter how much they throw at him. I'll be the first to eat crow if I turn out to be wrong, but I don't think WB has a chance in hell of luring him back.

 

[Herolee10]

You remember when Zack Snyder hinted at making a Batman film set in Bruce Wayne's later years (ala Dark Knight Returns)? It would make sense and put it in the same tone, yet give him the opportunity to not step on Nolan's toes with what he continued and finished.

But it wouldn't make sense when you consider that the Bruce from "The Dark Knight Returns" was retired because of how his Robin was killed off. Bruce retired against his own will/desire, which is in contrast to Nolan's Bruce Wayne.

I'm not saying that they should do another origin film for this "new" Batman, because there are plenty of stories that they could tell about the character.

When having a universe full superheroes, during a solo movie, you have to throw away those questions out the door. Why Superman didn't help Flash in his solo movie or in Flash 3. Why didnt Flash come to help Superman in MOS3? Where was Martian Manhunter in the Wonder Woman sequal. After JL, those are the questions that people would ask. Like I said to another poster, in the solo movies, you don't want other heroes to come and step on each other toes, so Superman not being available during the 5 months Bale conquering makes sense because Superman was busy with his world. As long as all these movies are set in the real world, which both Nolan's Batman and MOS was, i don't see why they can't fit.

You do realize that the folks over at Marvel Studios actually do attempt to map out on how all of their films are able coexist with each other and tackle those questions right?

It's just plain lazy writing to avoid those questions, something that Marvel is not doing (thankfully).

I don't see why we need to sacrifice quality just so that certain things could happen.

I still dont' see why it can't work. It's not like Batman made an announcement in TDKR that he stopped being Batman for 8 years. 8 years in average, he wasn't Batman. Plus IT WAS NOT ESTABLISHED THAT THIS KNEE INJURY WAS FROM THE LAST SCENE IN TDK.

I think it was said by one of the producers in one of the early magazines for TDKR that it was because of his injuries that he received from fighting Joker and Two face, that result in his bad knee and if it came from Nolan, then it's canon for his film.

For the ship scenario, until we see that somehow Batman escaped the ship before he left the city to the ocean is a stretch. Since it's not shown, in the movie, i'm playing it now, we see a shot of Batman, and than the countdown at 5 seconds, and than BOOM. So, it's open to interpretation, and it's left like that intentionally i believe just in case, Goyer did write MOS you know and he had Superman in his mind while writing TDKR.

For the undermining what TDKR was trying to establish that you said, that is why i placed MOS2 before TDKR. Christian Bale coming back to MOS2 is the Bale after TDK and before TDKR, so i think it fits.

Honestly, the thing that I seem to be detecting from your posts is that you just simply want Bale's Batman back, regardless of how much trouble it'll take for the filmmakers to mesh the two worlds and their respective continuities together. You have yet to give a good reason on why this should happen and why it would work.

And you do realize that Goyer only helped with the story for TDKR, but that it was mostly the two Nolans who crafted and formed it out right, and I'm pretty sure that neither of them made the story with the idea that Superman existed in that universe.

Who's to say they haven't already tried?

I truly and honestly don't think money is that kind of factor for Bale right now. He's an Oscar-winning A-lister and he's not hurting for work by any means. His career is probably hotter than ever. The bottom line is I don't think he is willing to play Batman again unless Chris Nolan is directing, no matter how much they throw at him. I'll be the first to eat crow if I turn out to be wrong, but I don't think WB has a chance in hell of luring him back.

Bale doesn't seem like the type that would "sell out" imho and he made it pretty clear that he was done with being Batman unless Nolan were to come back on board, which is unlikely at this point. He even made a big deal on how he had to mentally process the final moments that he was wearing the costume to get used to the idea that he was done being batman.

 

[BatLobster]

Bale doesn't seem like the type that would "sell out" imho and he made it pretty clear that he was done with being Batman unless Nolan were to come back on board, which is unlikely at this point. He even made a big deal on how he had to mentally process the final moments that he was wearing the costume to get used to the idea that he was done being batman.

Exactly, he doesn't strike me as the "sell out" type at all. He's also said a few times that he believes the role should be passed on from one actor to another and that he's looking forward to see what someone else does with it.

That sounds like a guy with me who's at peace with that chapter in his life being over.

 

[Herolee10]

Exactly, he doesn't strike me as the "sell out" type at all. He's also said a few times that he believes the role should be passed on from one actor to another and that he's looking forward to see what someone else does with it.

That sounds like a guy with me who's at peace with that chapter in his life being over.

Agreed; plus unlike Bale, Downey has gone on the record many times of saying that he'll keep playing Iron man until people get tired of him, etc and that he enjoys playing the character a lot, not that Bale didn't enjoy playing Batman of course, but Downey comes off as though he'd enjoy playing the character for a long time.

 

[DIRECTOR]

You do realize that the folks over at Marvel Studios actually do attempt to map out on how all of their films are able coexist with each other and tackle those questions right?

It's just plain lazy writing to avoid those questions, something that Marvel is not doing (thankfully).

I don't see why we need to sacrifice quality just so that certain things could happen.

I don't want to sacrifice the quality that Bale and Nolan brought in their Batman. And who says we are avoiding the questions, the DC Universe is just starting to establish. We got Batman, and now we have Superman, oh and guess what, a Superman/BAtman in 2015, why wouldn't they connect? I still don't see any reasons why not. Let's not compare what Marvel is doing along the lines of story telling and connectivity. Marvel is a bit messy in terms of what characters they can use since FF, X-Men, and Spiderman are seperated from the Avengers universe, but if they were, than those questions of "Oh come he/she didn't come during the movie to help?". DC doesn't have that problems with their main characters, it's under one branch.

I think it was said by one of the producers in one of the early magazines for TDKR that it was because of his injuries that he received from fighting Joker and Two face, that result in his bad knee and if it came from Nolan, then it's canon for his film.

Don't count on Jon Peter's input or any producer. Goyer and Nolan came up with the story. If in TDKR they specifically say that his injuries are form his fight with the Joker, than sure I can't buy it since that is what we heard and saw in the movie. Don't include what is said unofficially outside the movie.

Honestly, the thing that I seem to be detecting from your posts is that you just simply want Bale's Batman back, regardless of how much trouble it'll take for the filmmakers to mesh the two worlds and their respective continuities together. You have yet to give a good reason on why this should happen and why it would work.

I don't see any trouble with meshing both universe. They don't even have to mesh, there is Gotham and there is Metropolis. Two different worlds, in the real world. Both are realistic, both have that Nolany vibe. Like I said, as long as MOS2 is between TDK and TDKR, it works. The only issue that could arise is the question of "Where was Superman in those 5 months since Batman and Superman already met".

And you do realize that Goyer only helped with the story for TDKR, but that it was mostly the two Nolans who crafted and formed it out right, and I'm pretty sure that neither of them made the story with the idea that Superman existed in that universe.

Goyer helped write the story. Now, I'm not saying they crafted TDKR story to somehow include Superman........ BUT LIKE I KEEP SAYING, MOS2 IS BEFORE TDKR. Plus, it's already fact that they were discussing MOS while coming up with the story of TDKR.

Bale doesn't seem like the type that would "sell out" imho and he made it pretty clear that he was done with being Batman unless Nolan were to come back on board, which is unlikely at this point. He even made a big deal on how he had to mentally process the final moments that he was wearing the costume to get used to the idea that he was done being batman.

That's like saying how everybody on TDKR denied that Marion Cotillard wasn't Talia Al Ghul. Just because the actor says something, it won't matter, they know the fan base, they know how to work the public. Plus, how is it selling out if he returns as bAtman? He is selling out if he doesn't return if both the studio and Nolan want's him back.

I'm getting the vibe where you don't see the benefits of getting Bale back as Batman?

 

[BatLobster]

I totally see the benefit of Bale coming back. That part is obvious. I just don't think it's in the cards. From the sounds of it they made a move to get him and Nolan on board back in March Then reports came of those talks falling apart.

Now, Nolan is no longer involved in the same capacity in the MOS sequel and is just an EP, which basically means he's a producer in name only. Not helping with the story anymore. That alone speaks volumes.

I really think people are grasping at straws at this point.

 

[DIRECTOR]

I totally see the benefit of Bale coming back. That part is obvious. I just don't think it's in the cards. From the sounds of it they made a move to get him and Nolan on board back in March Then reports came of those talks falling apart.

Now, Nolan is no longer involved in the same capacity in the MOS sequel and is just an EP, which basically means he's a producer in name only. Not helping with the story anymore. That alone speaks volumes.

I really think people are grasping at straws at this point.

i know, it was just an idea. I mean, im answering the thread's question. For it to work properly, MOS 2 will have to be during TDK and TDKR.

 

[Herolee10]

I don't want to sacrifice the quality that Bale and Nolan brought in their Batman. And who says we are avoiding the questions, the DC Universe is just starting to establish. We got Batman, and now we have Superman, oh and guess what, a Superman/BAtman in 2015, why wouldn't they connect? I still don't see any reasons why not. Let's not compare what Marvel is doing along the lines of story telling and connectivity. Marvel is a bit messy in terms of what characters they can use since FF, X-Men, and Spiderman are seperated from the Avengers universe, but if they were, than those questions of "Oh come he/she didn't come during the movie to help?". DC doesn't have that problems with their main characters, it's under one branch.

Okay, let's put it this way. Nolan's entire Batman franchise was created with the belief that Batman was THE ONLY hero in his universe. There was never any intention as far as we know of to ever expand it into a larger DC universe.

Man of Steel on the other hand was seemingly created with the intent to merge into a larger DC universe.

Falling back on Nolan's "STANDALONE" franchise in order to bring forth Batman would be incredibly difficult, alright? The people involved in creating future films for the DC Universe would have to work with established events of Nolan's franchise that really doesn't leave that much room for other heroes to exist, at least not after events of "TDKR".

If we only had BB and TDK to go off of by, it'd be a lot easier, but we don't. And even though DC doesn't have the same issues as Marvel does in having some of their prominent characters placed under different big time studios, Marvel Studios on the other hand, or rather the MCU, has the luxury where their core Avengers heroes come from such different worlds, that it's easier to give reasons as to why they would all be absent from their solo films.

Thor is from Asgard, Captain America is a super soldier that deals with super terrorist organizations and is currently associated with SHIELD, Iron Man handles similar situations as well, and the Hulk prefers to remain off the grid unless provoked.

Don't count on Jon Peter's input or any producer. Goyer and Nolan came up with the story. If in TDKR they specifically say that his injuries are form his fight with the Joker, than sure I can't buy it since that is what we heard and saw in the movie. Don't include what is said unofficially outside the movie.

I think it was one of the Nolans that gave that answer, so yeah, I'd trust their opinions on that matter over anyone else's at the moment. If the Director or his co-writer said that, then it's pretty much canon.

I don't see any trouble with meshing both universe. They don't even have to mesh, there is Gotham and there is Metropolis. Two different worlds, in the real world. Both are realistic, both have that Nolany vibe. Like I said, as long as MOS2 is between TDK and TDKR, it works. The only issue that could arise is the question of "Where was Superman in those 5 months since Batman and Superman already met".

Honestly, I still don't understand why people just can't let Bale's Batman rest like he was ORIGINALLY written at the FINALE of his own franchise and move on with a new batman that is specifically created for this NEW universe.

Goyer helped write the story. Now, I'm not saying they crafted TDKR story to somehow include Superman........ BUT LIKE I KEEP SAYING, MOS2 IS BEFORE TDKR. Plus, it's already fact that they were discussing MOS while coming up with the story of TDKR.

So superman would willingly stand by and do nothing while Gotham was under siege for 5 months at the whims of a normal human being terrorist? Yeah, that's very good writing right there. Unless it's said that the ENTIRE JLA were off the planet at the time or stuck somewhere else, I can't buy that these heroes exist in Nolan's world.

And when they were discussing MOS while making TDKR, I'm betting that not one conversation was to have MOS eventually merge with TDKR and if you can't take my word, why not take Nolan's word.

That's like saying how everybody on TDKR denied that Marion Cotillard wasn't Talia Al Ghul. Just because the actor says something, it won't matter, they know the fan base, they know how to work the public. Plus, how is it selling out if he returns as bAtman? He is selling out if he doesn't return if both the studio and Nolan want's him back.

I'm getting the vibe where you don't see the benefits of getting Bale back as Batman?

That's different in this case. Marion or anyone else from TDKR couldn't reveal that she was in fact playing Talia...it was for Story purposes that they concealed her real identity.

Nolan is pretty much done with the superhero franchise and he said that TDKR is THE END of his Batman's story...how many times can that be said, let alone how many times do i have to freaking repeat that in my posts?

And Bale has said that he's not coming back unless Nolan were to come back, who doesn't look like he'll ever come back to doing so and this is different from Marion's case because she couldn't say that she was playing Talia, but Bale is more than allowed to say if he's done playing Batman. You can't really compare the two situations.

Look, ideally, it would have been great to have Bale back if his batman was made for this universe. But he wasn't and despite what you may thin, there are MANY who believe that by Bale coming back, it would really just taint the work that went into making Nolan's franchise into a world where Batman was the only hero...a world without superpowers.

 

[Herolee10]

I totally see the benefit of Bale coming back. That part is obvious. I just don't think it's in the cards. From the sounds of it they made a move to get him and Nolan on board back in March Then reports came of those talks falling apart.

Now, Nolan is no longer involved in the same capacity in the MOS sequel and is just an EP, which basically means he's a producer in name only. Not helping with the story anymore. That alone speaks volumes.

I really think people are grasping at straws at this point.

I really wish people would just let go of this already. Just give it a rest. THERE ISN'T AN OUNCE of Evidence to suggest that Bale would come back, let alone Nolan for that matter. Nolan may be a producer for this new film, but it seems like it'll only be so in name and Nolan doesn't appear to be involved with helping the story this time around.

This is why I keep saying that having a new batman this soon was a bad idea because people are still hooked on Bale.

 

[DIRECTOR]

Okay, let's put it this way. Nolan's entire Batman franchise was created with the belief that Batman was THE ONLY hero in his universe. There was never any intention as far as we know of to ever expand it into a larger DC universe.

Man of Steel on the other hand was seemingly created with the intent to merge into a larger DC universe.

Falling back on Nolan's "STANDALONE" franchise in order to bring forth Batman would be incredibly difficult, alright? The people involved in creating future films for the DC Universe would have to work with established events of Nolan's franchise that really doesn't leave that much room for other heroes to exist, at least not after events of "TDKR".

If we only had BB and TDK to go off of by, it'd be a lot easier, but we don't. And even though DC doesn't have the same issues as Marvel does in having some of their prominent characters placed under different big time studios, Marvel Studios on the other hand, or rather the MCU, has the luxury where their core Avengers heroes come from such different worlds, that it's easier to give reasons as to why they would all be absent from their solo films.

Thor is from Asgard, Captain America is a super soldier that deals with super terrorist organizations and is currently associated with SHIELD, Iron Man handles similar situations as well, and the Hulk prefers to remain off the grid unless provoked.




I think it was one of the Nolans that gave that answer, so yeah, I'd trust their opinions on that matter over anyone else's at the moment. If the Director or his co-writer said that, then it's pretty much canon.





Honestly, I still don't understand why people just can't let Bale's Batman rest like he was ORIGINALLY written at the FINALE of his own franchise and move on with a new batman that is specifically created for this NEW universe.





So superman would willingly stand by and do nothing while Gotham was under siege for 5 months at the whims of a normal human being terrorist? Yeah, that's very good writing right there. Unless it's said that the ENTIRE JLA were off the planet at the time or stuck somewhere else, I can't buy that these heroes exist in Nolan's world.

And when they were discussing MOS while making TDKR, I'm betting that not one conversation was to have MOS eventually merge with TDKR and if you can't take my word, why not take Nolan's word.





That's different in this case. Marion or anyone else from TDKR couldn't reveal that she was in fact playing Talia...it was for Story purposes that they concealed her real identity.

Nolan is pretty much done with the superhero franchise and he said that TDKR is THE END of his Batman's story...how many times can that be said, let alone how many times do i have to freaking repeat that in my posts?

And Bale has said that he's not coming back unless Nolan were to come back, who doesn't look like he'll ever come back to doing so and this is different from Marion's case because she couldn't say that she was playing Talia, but Bale is more than allowed to say if he's done playing Batman. You can't really compare the two situations.

Look, ideally, it would have been great to have Bale back if his batman was made for this universe. But he wasn't and despite what you may thin, there are MANY who believe that by Bale coming back, it would really just taint the work that went into making Nolan's franchise into a world where Batman was the only hero...a world without superpowers.

Dude, i can't multiple quote your post, it's too much, and i keep repeating myself.

Main reason to bring back Bale as Batman. He is the established Batman in people's mind. The general public aren't stupid, they aren't on SHH board to discuss all these topics. They see some other actor in MOS2 as Bruce Wayne, the average joe who doesn't know the whole fiasco behind the scenes stuff won't get it. They will think it's the batman from the Nolan verse, and guess what, they will semi buy it. Amazing Spider-man worked because we got an origin story again, so we see the actor Andrew Garfield from the start. Imagine Amazing Spider-man, and we didn't get an origin story but Andrew/Spiderman faces off against the Lizard, people will think it's the spiderman 4 from the Raimi universe.

People are getting excited about seeing Superman and Batman in a film, but people are overlooking the fact that it's not the same Batman that we grown watching since 2005, it's someone. This is huge mistake that Superman Returns made, no origin, and we are suppose to buy Brandon Routh playing Superman without any history of what the actor went through to earn the title. you can't pull off a superhero without an origin story with a new actor, you just can't. I will still watch, but you need the connection

Like i said over and over and over again, Place MOS2 between The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises, are you overlooking that idea because you keeping bringing up events in TDKR. Or how about this to make you feel better, place MOS2 after BB and before TDK. Would that work for you? This idea is the only way to bring Bale back and treat TDKR the last movie in the Batman's history in relations to all the Phase 1 JL movies.

 

[Herolee10]

Dude, i can't multiple quote your post, it's too much, and i keep repeating myself.

Main reason to bring back Bale as Batman. He is the established Batman in people's mind. The general public aren't stupid, they aren't on SHH board to discuss all these topics. They see some other actor in MOS2 as Bruce Wayne, the average joe who doesn't know the whole fiasco behind the scenes stuff won't get it. They will think it's the batman from the Nolan verse, and guess what, they will semi buy it. Amazing Spider-man worked because we got an origin story again, so we see the actor Andrew Garfield from the start. Imagine Amazing Spider-man, and we didn't get an origin story but Andrew/Spiderman faces off against the Lizard, people will think it's the spiderman 4 from the Raimi universe.

People are getting excited about seeing Superman and Batman in a film, but people are overlooking the fact that it's not the same Batman that we grown watching since 2005, it's someone. This is huge mistake that Superman Returns made, no origin, and we are suppose to buy Brandon Routh playing Superman without any history of what the actor went through to earn the title. you can't pull off a superhero without an origin story with a new actor, you just can't. I will still watch, but you need the connection

Like i said over and over and over again, Place MOS2 between The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises, are you overlooking that idea because you keeping bringing up events in TDKR. Or how about this to make you feel better, place MOS2 after BB and before TDK. Would that work for you? This idea is the only way to bring Bale back and treat TDKR the last movie in the Batman's history in relations to all the Phase 1 JL movies.

And I keep repeating myself as well in saying, how the hell would you explain every hero's absence during Gotham's turmoil in "TDKR"? And please, give me a different answer other than, "Well do other marvel heroes appear in solo films" because like I've said already, Marvel at least has a plan on explaining on why certain heroes aren't present to help out their comrades.

And I'm not sure if you aren't aware about this or just don't like hearing it, but many people had issues on how we got another origin story that felt too similar to the first Spider-Man film in regards to "The Amazing Spider-Man".

And as dumb as it was then, Superman Returns was supposed to be a semi-sequel to S:TM, so a origin film from Singer's perspective was out of the question.

And you know what? In the end, this whole mess is Warner Bros.'s fault because they couldn't wait until enough time passed after TDKR in order to give a new batman.

But regardless of their own mistakes, you shouldn't FORCE, and believe me, what you're implying fits with the definition of Force,...you shouldn't force a standalone trilogy that was created on its own to be a part of some other fictional universe.

I'm not Batman's biggest fan, but even I wouldn't want the quality established from Nolan's STANDALONE franchise to be associated with the potential mess that Warner Bros might create in their DCU due to their inability to plan things out.

 

[shauner111]

DIRECTOR. Ill compromise. I would do it like this..

No, Superman does not save Batman at the end of Rises. Bats gets out before the bridge or on the beach, which I believe Nolan threw in there for a reason.

So let's say it's between TDK and TDKR. Ive actually brought this up this year in the JL section of the boards. But ill get back to it here..

I personally would only do this if it was only Batman and Superman crossing over. Flash is on tv to stay with Arrow. Aquaman eventually gets his origin film but in his own universe. Same with Guillermo Del Toro's Dark Universe. Wonder Woman gets her own film or tv series as well.

MOS happens about a year after TDK. Batman vs Superman about a year after that. It's a one-off. Movie ends with Bruce back in Gotham (by this point Wayne Manor and the batcave are rebuilt) and the Dent Act is officially put into place. Wayne hangs up Batman and starts working on his idea for the clean energy project. His leg is more busted up from the fight with Superman, worsening the injury from the Dent-fall from a couple years earlier.

MOS 2 and 3 happen after this cross-over film. We see Superman go on to fight Brainiac and finally Doomsday in the final movie, where he dies. This is all before TDKR. The Death of Superman happens while Bruce is deep into his recluse ways.

So each of them get a trilogy of solo films + a crossover together.

Batman and Superman's fight is planned out between the two at the climax of the film. Of course Lex is the main villain here. But they fight in a very special place that is closed off, that way Metropolis doesn't feel their wrath as a city. It's something Batman suggests because he doesn't trust or like this guy/alien and along with Lex believes the city has gone through enough at the expense of Kal/Zod's fight. Obviously Lex doesn't really give a ****, but Bruce does. Superman has learnt from those mistakes and really becomes the full-fledged Superman here (as Goyer says will happen). So he agrees with Bruce. It ends with them respecting one another but going their separate ways.

Could Superman have saved Bats at the end of Rises still? "Resurrecting"? I guess. But I don't think it's necessary.

So all of these Superman movies would be set after 2008 but before 2016.

Now I don't think this will ever happen, but that's how id do it, even though id prefer to set everything after TDKR by going a different route. But like you said, it leaves TDKR as the end of the series.

 

[Herolee10]

Biggest problem to that is Warner Bros. wanting a JL film as well, thus meaning that Batman will have to be involved in those as well, hence why TDKR limits their ability to do so, unless they want to do what X-Men is so famously known for by contradicting their own continuity since Batman was said to have not been spotted by the public for 8 years.

 

[shauner111]

Yeah I was doing a hypothetical situation. But apparently WB may no longer want a traditional JL movie.

 

[Herolee10]

Yeah I was doing a hypothetical situation. But apparently WB may no longer want a traditional JL movie.

Honestly, if they think that just doing Batman And Superman for team up films is the way to go and never do an actual JL film, then they are more ******ed than the Salkinds.