If i could make a sticky about Smallville, it would go something like this:

[Saved]

what's the test here?

how about this one: Can they use it on TV?

and the answer is yes

ever see Darrel Hammond do his Sean Connery impression when SNL did Celbrity Jeopardy? He used that word EVERY time he was on. On live Network TV. and taht's just one instance (repeated a dozen times as they did different versions of the sketch).

Throwing it into the search engine, I see that word has been used 500 times (500!) on the Hype in a little over a month, and only a handful of those uses where reported or had action taken against them

and I'm not slapping you down, I'm engaging in a discussion both so you understand where I'm coming from, and also because I think it's an interesting line of conversation, as censorship is a fascinating subject to me.

Sean Connery was the best in SNL Jeopardy. LOL Oh man, thanks for bringing up some great memories to lighten the mood, even if it was by accident. God that is so funny.

 

[Eddie Brock]

what's the test here?

how about this one: Can they use it on TV?

and the answer is yes

ever see Darrel Hammond do his Sean Connery impression when SNL did Celbrity Jeopardy? He used that word EVERY time he was on. On live Network TV. and taht's just one instance (repeated a dozen times as they did different versions of the sketch).

Throwing it into the search engine, I see that word has been used 500 times (500!) on the Hype in a little over a month, and only a handful of those uses where reported or had action taken against them

and I'm not slapping you down, I'm engaging in a discussion both so you understand where I'm coming from, and also because I think it's an interesting line of conversation, as censorship is a fascinating subject to me.

i tell you one thing about censorship...since when are words like crap deemed censorable? on the Sony boards, words like gay and crap and dick are censored
i understand these CAN be used in a demeaning manner, but i think that's overkill

 

[Elijya]

"I have a riddle for you, Trebek. A conundrum, if you will...."

 

[Saved]

i tell you one thing about censorship...since when are words like crap deemed censorable? on the Sony boards, words like gay and crap and dick are censored
i understand these CAN be used in a demeaning manner, but i think that's overkill

Yeah, if I wanted to talk about Dick Grayson, Dick Chenney, Andy Dick, or anyone else, it would be censored. Ok, what are we going to censor next? Muffin? Sorry needed to vent. The censorship of words like in skyscraper, grape, drape, and it gets censored...yeah, overkill. Anyway back to the Lana thing...

 

[Elijya]

i tell you one thing about censorship...since when are words like crap deemed censorable? on the Sony boards, words like gay and crap and dick are censored
i understand these CAN be used in a demeaning manner, but i think that's overkill

especially if your name is Dick, or you're refering to someone like Dick Greyson, or Gaylord Focker

 

[Saved]

especially if your name is Dick, or you're refering to someone like Dick Greyson, or Gaylord Focker

Thats my point exactly! Look up for my point.

 

[Kaboom]

We as a society generally agree certain words are inappropriate, or, usually, inappropriate in certain environments, but the fact is it's simply the nature of the world that you will encounter things that may offend you, and many times these may be things that the rest of society ISN'T as offended by.

Lana on the show has never engaged in sexual relations for money or other form of compensation. Therefore, she is not a ****e in its literal meaning.

the only reason a user would categorize her as a "****e" would be not to classify pased on her profession, but to ascribe to her some fmeaning which is obviously meant as pejorative and insulting...oherwise known as offensive.

thus, one can only conclude that the term "****e" when used in this instance is to offend either 1) Lana (although given her ficitious nature, a very implaussible conclusion; or 2) those individuals who empathize with her or otherwise enjoy her character.

As for the argument that society "accepts" the word ****e is a fundamentally unsound logical premise to begin one's argument.
if the word was meant to be insulting, which as just demonstrated is the only interpretation that it can be given, the simple fact that alot of people use the word can by no means strip the word of its pejorative connotations. Its a non-sequitor.

By way of example, there is a story though i forget where it comes from. essentially, it goes liek this:
when they came for the jews, i did nothing to stop them. When they came for the asians i did nothing to stop them. when they came for the blacks i did nothing to stop them. and when they came for me, there was nobody to stop them.

the simple fact of the matter, is the word was meant as an offense, and the fact that most of society has accepted the term as not offensive to the ear, does nothing to deprive the word of its mysoginstic, pejorative, and offensive meaning, especially when cast about as fool-heartedly as the user did in this instance.

 

[Eddie Brock]

especially if your name is Dick, or you're refering to someone like Dick Greyson, or Gaylord Focker

exactly
that's why you don't censor AS much, but you make sure they aren't using the words improperly

 

[triplet]

what's the test here?

how about this one: Can they use it on TV?

and the answer is yes

ever see Darrel Hammond do his Sean Connery impression when SNL did Celbrity Jeopardy? He used that word EVERY time he was on. On live Network TV. and taht's just one instance (repeated a dozen times as they did different versions of the sketch).

Throwing it into the search engine, I see that word has been used 500 times (500!) on the Hype in a little over a month, and only a handful of those uses where reported or had action taken against them

and I'm not slapping you down, I'm engaging in a discussion both so you understand where I'm coming from, and also because I think it's an interesting line of conversation, as censorship is a fascinating subject to me.

Just because something can be said on tv and has been used on the hype over 500 times in the last month doesn't mean it can't be offensive...

*shrug*

Whatever...

 

[Kaboom]

Kaboom has a better chance of winning the lottery than winning Lana any fans through this.

i won fifty bucks on a scratch off once, so yea. go me.

 

[Elijya]

I agree, the word can be offensive- if it is used to directly insult another user here. If it was, I would have warned him. It wasn't.

 

[Lt. Figgnuts]

thus, one can only conclude that the term "****e" when used in this instance is to offend either 1) Lana (although given her ficitious nature, a very implaussible conclusion; or 2) those individuals who empathize with her or otherwise enjoy her character.

What about neither?

Think about the word "gay" for a second. Today, "gay" can have any number of meanings. The two main dictionary definitions define the word "gay" as meaning either a state of happiness or homosexuality. However, there are many people who use the term "gay" in the same context as one would use "sucks." Can't that be the same case here? The term "****e" in that context - slang, that is - doesn't necessarily mean what it should.

What if I said, "Hey, that episode sucked so bad."? I'm obviously not trying to offend the episode because, just like Lana, it isn't an actual being with thoughts and feelings. And I'm not trying to offend people who enjoyed the episode; instead, I'm merely conveying a dislike of the episode.

 

[Elijya]

Lana on the show has never engaged in sexual relations for money or other form of compensation. Therefore, she is not a ****e in its literal meaning.

the only reason a user would categorize her as a "****e" would be not to classify pased on her profession, but to ascribe to her some fmeaning which is obviously meant as pejorative and insulting...oherwise known as offensive.

thus, one can only conclude that the term "****e" when used in this instance is to offend either 1) Lana (although given her ficitious nature, a very implaussible conclusion; or 2) those individuals who empathize with her or otherwise enjoy her character.

As for the argument that society "accepts" the word ****e is a fundamentally unsound logical premise to begin one's argument.
if the word was meant to be insulting, which as just demonstrated is the only interpretation that it can be given, the simple fact that alot of people use the word can by no means strip the word of its pejorative connotations. Its a non-sequitor.

By way of example, there is a story though i forget where it comes from. essentially, it goes liek this:
when they came for the jews, i did nothing to stop them. When they came for the asians i did nothing to stop them. when they came for the blacks i did nothing to stop them. and when they came for me, there was nobody to stop them.

the simple fact of the matter, is the word was meant as an offense, and the fact that most of society has accepted the term as not offensive to the ear, does nothing to deprive the word of its mysoginstic, pejorative, and offensive meaning, especially when cast about as fool-heartedly as the user did in this instance.

by that rational, users here should not be allowed to say "Iron Man is a *****e" or likewise.

there is no need to censor here

and your cute little story was originally referencing the holocaust, so it's a bit overdramatic for a superhero internet message board.

But by the same rational of that story, if I censor this word here, maybe next I'll sensor "crap" and saying something "sucks", and then "damn", and eventually every word which has ANY negative connotation at all.

 

[Eddie Brock]

I agree, the word can be offensive- if it is used to directly insult another user here. If it was, I would have warned him. It wasn't.

and i respect that
besides, name-calling is no match for quick wit and knowledge in a verbal fight

 

[Kaboom]

Ha. I meant the millions.

my favorite quote of all time:

"Say what you mean and mean what you say."

 

[Kaboom]

by that rational, users here should not be allowed to say "Iron Man is a *****e" or likewise.

there is no need to censor here

and your cute little story was originally referencing the holocaust, so it's a bit overdramatic for a superhero internet message board.

But by the same rational of that story, if I censor this word here, maybe next I'll sensor "crap" and saying something "sucks", and then "damn", and eventually every word which has ANY negative connotation at all.

1- it wasnt about the holocaust, just about different classifications of people.

2- i don't believe "slang" or "profanity" has any place in discussions among people who dont share "confianza" (i dont know the english word for it, sorry. essentially it means like comfort with eachother).

*edit*
3- the creation of a strawman is not a well-recieved manner to debate a point. A strawman is where one creates a faulty projection of what the other is trying to say and then attack the projection, as opposed to what was actually being said.

 

[Kaboom]

Usually when someone refers to the unlikeliness of winning the lottery, its in reference to the unlikeliness of winning millions.

Didnt think I had to spell it out for you. I'll keep that in mind for next time.

sorry, im just in lawyer mode right now.

 

[Elijya]

1- it wasnt about the holocaust, just about different classifications of people.

no, you misquoted a poem written about the Nazi regime called First They Came... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came...
When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

the poem was later changed to include races and nationalities


The version inscribed at the New England Holocaust Memorial in Boston, Massachusetts reads:

They came first for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me,
and by that time no one was left to speak up.


no version has ever referenced Asians, and the only versions to reference blacks were in modern music

 

[Kaboom]

no, you misquoted a poem written about the Holocaust called First They Came... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came...

Als die Nazis die Kommunisten holten,
habe ich geschwiegen;
ich war ja kein Kommunist.

Als sie die Sozialdemokraten einsperrten,
habe ich geschwiegen;
ich war ja kein Sozialdemokrat.

Als sie die Gewerkschafter holten,
habe ich nicht protestiert;
ich war ja kein Gewerkschafter.

Als sie mich holten,
gab es keinen mehr, der protestieren konnte. When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

Did you miss this part:

The poem influenced the song "Yellow Triangle" by folk singer Christy Moore.
In 1991 the Scottish musical duo Hue and Cry paraphrased the poem in a song recorded at Cirque Royale, Brussels. The relevant portion of the song was:
When they came for the Jews and the blacks, I turned away When they came for the writers and the thinkers and the radicals and the protestors, I turned away When they came for the gays, and the minorities, and the utopians, and the dancers, I turned away And when they came for me, I turned around and around, and there was nobody left... It also infuenced the song "Emigre" by Anti-Flag. The song, recorded on the album "For Blood and Empire" relates to "First they came…" in the first stanza:
First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out Next they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out And then they came for me! "Re-gaining Unconsciousness" by punk band NOFX also appears to have been influenced by the poem;
First they put away the dealers, keep our kids safe and off the street. Then they put away the prostitutes, keep married men cloistered at home. Then they shooed away the bums, then they beat and bashed the queers, turned away asylum-seekers, fed us suspicions and fears. We didn't raise our voice, we didn't make a fuss. It's funny there was no one left to notice when they came for us. As has "Madame Guillotine" by the Legendary Pink Dots:
First they rounded up the reds But I'm not red so… Then they rounded up the blacks But I'm not black so… Then they rounded up the gypsies And the junkies and the donkeys. Now I'm scared to whistle 'swanee' 'Cause they'll ask me for my spit… The poem also appears to have influenced a more recent poem, by Niyi Osundare, a Nigerian who was vocal in his criticism of the Nigerian government in the 1990's. The poem 'Not my business' lists the people 'they' come for, by name, and shows the poet turning away. It is no business of his 'so long as they don't take the yam' from his hand. Finally they come for him, and there is silence.
In the X-Factor Investigations comic series, the mutant Quicksilver quotes the poem in reference to the Superhero Registration Act.
Charles Mingus uses a version of the poem on his song "Don't Let It Happen Here," on the album "Music Written for Monterey, 1965 Not Heard...Played Live in Its Entirety at UCLA," which after a small release was out of print for many years until re-released on September 26, 2006. He changes and expands the ending:
One day they came and they took the Communists And I said nothing because I was not a Communist Then one day they came and they took the people of the Jewish faith And I said nothing because I had no faith left One day they came and they took the unionists And I said nothing because I was not a unionist One day they burned the Catholic churches And I said nothing because I was born a Protestant Then one day they came and they took me And I could say nothing because I was as guilty as they were For not speaking out and saying that all men have a right to freedom On any land I was as guilty of genocide As you All of you For you know when a man is free And when to set him free from his slavery So I charge you all with genocide The same as I One of the 18 million dead Jews 18 million dead people

 

[Kaboom]

in any event, let's move on, this conversation is getting tired.

 

[Kaboom]

pfft

congratulations on your ability to copy and paste and not do your own research before speaking

congratulations on side-tracking a conversation rather than focusing on what was actually at issue.

now can we please move on and talk about smallville again.

 

[Elijya]

congratulations on side-tracking a conversation rather than focusing on what was actually at issue.

now can we please move on and talk about smallville again.

"at issue"? It's a superhero message board, conversations get on track and off track. This isn't Nazi Germany, there's no law that says you HAVE to stick to a threads subject. That's censorship too, ya know

in any case, I agree with your orignal post

 

[Kaboom]

"at issue"? It's a superhero message board, conversations get on track and off track. This isn't Nazi Germany, there's no law that says you HAVE to stick to a threads subject. That's censorship too, ya know

wel then can i talk about how much i hate SR? t: or should i see the sticky?

lol. c'mon you knew that was coming.

alright so Lana Lang.....

 

[Serene]

What if he said "Kirsten Kruek is a dirty ****e" or something. Would that be considered to be not allowed? since she isnt a fictional character... .

Bashing the actual actors is, of course, allowed as well.

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?postcount=115&p=10238709

He can hate on whoever he wants, because heaven forbid we censor anyone or anything around here.

I think that every forum should have certain standards, maybe not all in black and white, but enough to make it a place that's not unpleasant for the people who like to frequent there. When that atmosphere changes, because of people intentionally trying to stir the pot and be jerks, the choice is to either try and read the forum with every other post on Ignore (which is a pain), or to leave.

 

[Pixiedust]

I still don't really get why any Chloe fans would even support such a notion. I mean.. wouldn't you think they'd love Chloe for being who she is? Maybe I just don't understand the whole wacky theory well enough

They aren't really Chloe fans and they are not iconic Lois Lane fans either (as they claim). They are Chlarkers. They want Chloe to end up with Clark and the only way she can do that for the long haul is to become Lois Lane. That's the theory in a nutshell, although they would deny that to their dying breath. And it's sad because when that doesn't happen they will be disappointed in Chloe because she didn't get what *they* wanted her to have. How they can call themselves Chloe fans I don't understand either. I like Chloe for Chloe.

That "theory" is one of the reasons I have decided that this is the only message board I will read outside of Clois ones.

You want to talk about Lana haters? Try dealing with the Lois haters. It takes away so much from the enjoyment of the show when all you read about is how horrible she is and for the most part, the reason they hate her is because they love another character more and Lois is taking what rightfully belongs to her.

I have no problems with someone disliking a character if they are honest about the reason for that dislike and state it in an approproate manner. Hypocrisy isn't pretty though. Dislike them for what they do and how they act, not for simply who they are.

It's like calling Lana a "w". That has no basis in reality on the show. She's never acted that way and it *is* offensive. The same thing happened with Lois around the time of Aqua when she was in her red swim suit. People called her a "w" because she has a nice body and she looks good in a bikini. That doesn't make her a "w" and just because you dislike her doesn't give a person the right to call her names anyway. Are these posters third graders or something?

That's why I like the Hype because (for the most part) people keep the hate in check. There are civil discussions about why we love Smallville and even why some hate or dislike it. But it's not a lot of ugly name calling and hating without reason. For the most part. There are exceptions to every rule.