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[LastSunrise1981]

::Walks back into the hater thread::

It feels good to be back in the haters thread. A thread specifically created for those who didn't enjoy the film. Yes, I was put on a probationary ban for my comments towards Logan babe, Danoyse, and a couple of others who enjoyed X3.

I don't feel my comments were horrible nor did they become profane. Other posters have said far worse than I have in the past, and yet, none of them received any kind of punishment. But since I'm the loudest of the bunch I get banned.

But that's okay. I am back, I am happy, and anyone who thinks that I sat behind this computer twitching from not being able to post has another thing coming. I'll continue to speak my mind and I'll continue to educate those who are misinformed on the theme and quality of X-Men.

 

[La_She-Beast]

Why don't you come to the manips/writing/competitions threads? Come on

 

[gambitfire]

^ I don't want to, i'm not even getting shout-outs.

Oh well.

 

[X-Maniac]

^ I don't want to, i'm not even getting shout-outs.

Oh well.

Well, I quite liked your piece of writing. I was considering voting for you, on the basis that your story stood out in making me want to hear what happened next. I need to read everyone's again thoroughly first.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

I'll be the first to admit that I'm not very good at manips. I don't have a photoshop program on my computer and I simply don't have the patience for it.

After watching 300 I have to say that I think Snyder would be a good choice for Wolverine. He has a good eye for visuals and I think his ability to translate gritty/elegant visuals like in 300 would be great for a Wolverine film.


I, on the other hand, do not believe he would be good for an X-Men film at all. 300 is a great film don't get me wrong, but again, I feel someone like James Cameron, Ridley Scott, or Peter Jackson could capture the essence of the X-Men both visually and theme wise.

Singer did a great job at capturing the emotion and exploring the struggle of their existence. Ratner, well, I don't want to go there again. Both made some mistakes and didn't have a real grasp on the characters, it's just Singer's mistakes or misunderstandings didn't affect the quality of the movie for me.

But if Zack had to direct an X-Men film? I would love for him to possibly adapt a Days of Future Past storyline or Age of Apocalypse.

 

[kg576094]

I don't see it that way at all. A parent or guardian or teacher might 'control' a child's behaviour or keep information from them or tell them things that are not true because they feel the child is not capable of handling the truth or dealing with it responsibly. Small children are not given huge amounts of money or allowed to drive cars or motorcycles or have knives or guns (at least they shouldn't be, in any proper parenting system). Xavier felt forced into blocking off vast amounts of Jean's powers so that she couldn't subconsciously/instinctively access it when she had a tantrum or a bout of brattish behaviour. He was obviously helping her to control her powers, and perhaps expand her conscious power access ('He's teaching me to develop it'), but he couldn't have foreseen the effects of Magneto's machine.

X, I think you of all people should know why the mental block explanation was retconned in the comicsverse....because Jean was incapable of such madness and the Professor we knew would not have committed such a heinous crime, her of killing billions in a foreign star and him of turning his favorite pupil into a monster.

Simply put, Xavier's school isn't a cure facility where he brainwashs bad mutants and passes them off as good people.
That's the function of Dr Moira's Mutant Research Center which imprisons bad mutant and reforms them thru traditional counselling therapies and civil lessons while inhibiting their power, sort of like the mental institution for mad and crazy mutants. Jean Grey doesn't belong in the same category as these psychotic mutant demons like Proteus and Legion.
That's why the mental block explanation just doesn't work for me at all levels. not in the comics and neither in the movie.

 

[gambitfire]

Well, I quite liked your piece of writing. I was considering voting for you, on the basis that your story stood out in making me want to hear what happened next. I need to read everyone's again thoroughly first.

Thanks.

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

I agree totally, though that is more of a fault of X2, than X3. So one point for the X3 'lovers' I would say.

Don't even try to blame that crappy writing on Singer and X2. It was not his responsibility to forsee Ratner and his Ratpack coming in and throwing an enormous, poorly written monkey wrench into the character he had been setting up since the first X-Men.

It was terrible writing that completely flew in the face of everything Singer had set up. 90% of the fan scripts I've read of X-Men 3's dealt with it better than Penn & Kinberg's. That's because most people with one brain cell could understand where Singer was going. Ratner and Co were either too stupid to realize it or too arrogant to honor it.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

Don't even try to blame that crappy writing on Singer and X2. It was not his responsibility to forsee Ratner and his Ratpack coming in and throwing an enormous, poorly written monkey wrench into the character he had been setting up since the first X-Men.

It was terrible writing that completely flew in the face of everything Singer had set up. 90% of the fan scripts I've read of X-Men 3's dealt with it better than Penn & Kinberg's. That's because most people with one brain cell could understand where Singer was going. Ratner and Co were either too stupid to realize it or too arrogant to honor it.

Exactly. This is what the X3 supporters don't care about or don't understand really. The plot was set, the concept was already there, all that needed to be done was have a director who concentrated on detail and provided a great emotional film to bring it to life.

No one, including myself, could've predicted that Ratner would screw things up the way he did. No one, not even Singer, knew that things would take the turn that they did when he left. Sure it would've been nice if he stayed to finish the franchise he started, but really, would we stay if we were constantly getting the runaround from a studio who knew nothing of the comics or cared about quality?

I remember defending Ratner, Penn, Kinberg, and Fox during the course of the production of this film and even afterwards. Until I realized that what happened was the biggest slap in the face to comic book fans, to the comics, and to the first two films in general.

Mistakes were made by both parties, it's just Ratner's mistakes affected the quality of the film than Singer's mistakes did.

 

[Theweepeople]

Sure it would've been nice if he stayed to finish the franchise he started, but really, would we stay if we were constantly getting the runaround from a studio who knew nothing of the comics or cared about quality?

This is completely ridiculous. X3 lovers are still complaining about Singer leaving 20th century Fox after it took them over a year to negotiate his deal? What in the hell did they expect Brian to do? Wait another whole year? Rothman tried to screw Singer over with the first X-Men movie before cutting the budget and moving up the release date. He cut Singer's budget in X2 which forced Brian to completely change the script that originally had the sentinels in it. Fox had been completely, unreasonable towards Singer from day one and he was tired of all this. If Singer is truely responsible for the problems with the X3 storyline then Tim Burton should be held accountable for the destruction of the Batman franchise because he was unable to negotiate a new deal with Warner Brothers for Batman 3.

I remember defending Ratner, Penn, Kinberg, and Fox during the course of the production of this film and even afterwards. Until I realized that what happened was the biggest slap in the face to comic book fans, to the comics, and to the first two films in general.

I can totally relate. I defended all of those idiots and everything about this film for 3 years until May 26 of 2006 when I saw the horrible tragedy of a film that could have been epic.

When I heard that Singer had left 20th century I was angry at Singer.

When Fox hired Matthew Vaughn I decided to give him a chance even though he knew little about the X-Men comics.

When the first awful script review was leaked on Ain't it cool news I thought Harry knowles was full of crap.

When Matthew Vaughn left and Ratner was hired I was concerned but, I wanted to give Brett the benefit of the doubt.

When I heard about Avi Arad's outburst against fanboy's who didn't like Ratner I thought Avi had been misquoted.

When I heard about some of the spoilers for X3 I felt that this film would be epic.
http://www.**************.com/news/articles/2306.asp

90% of these spoilers turned out to be false.


After reading a lot of Simon's answers to questions at thexverse.com I was confident that despite some deviations from the source material the movie would be at least 2 hours long, have spectacular action(comparisons to Braveheart and Saving Private Ryan), and a great storyline(comparisons to Empire Strikes Back and Return of the King). Unfortunately, none of this turned out to be true.




The only positive thing I can say about X3's failure is it got me interested in contributing to these forums. I saw X3 on May 26 and I was so disgusted by what I saw I needed an outlet to discuss my rage so I registered here during the first week of last June. X3 was the most disappointing film I've ever seen and until Fox corrects this mistake I will continue to expose them for the manipulating lying jerks that they are. I'm not expecting to have a direct impact on the productions of these films but, I'm convinced that all the people who post in these types of threads will have some influence. Whenever one of these films goes into production the people involved go to these forums for input. The superman lives catastrophy was the perfect example of what can happen when fanboys get enraged with source material deviations from comic books. Singer and Brett both admitted to knowing about fanboys disapproving of Fox's decision to hire them.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

No one, including myself, could've predicted that Ratner would screw things up the way he did. No one, not even Singer, knew that things would take the turn that they did when he left.

Eh. One of my main reasons for disliking X-3 with a rare passion.

I just can't figure out how they could've screwed it up any worse without it being a parody/intentional mockery of the mythos. t:

Well, said comment applies to X1/X2' alleged understanding of the characters/mythos, but X3 was just in a league of its own...

 

[xii22_loop]

to branch onto/off what Theweepeople said:

In the end its all goddamn Fox's fault (Rothman and any other men in suits there). From the very begining they did nothing but cut the budget and limit everything. And the thing on how they handled X3 was just the ultimate example.

I think I even have some sympathy for Ratner, Penn, Kinberg, cause they were just pawns, and given restrictions again with having to get the movie out before Superman Returns in a near impossible time frame.
And the huge amount of money just spent on getting things done extremely quickly so they could meet their release date.
And what wasn't it the same amount of money Bryan Singer asked to have for X3 and X4? Yet they wouldn't give it to him.

Blargh! You know I'm having alittle trouble believing all this stuff actually happened, like its soo unreal. I can't believe those people at Fox. goddamn them. And you know in the end if had not cut the budgets and held back Bryan Singer the movies would have turned out probably better quality and made more money in the end.



and they've done it before with other movies!! Alien 3 anyone?

 

[gap5ewl]

to branch onto/off what Theweepeople said:

In the end its all goddamn Fox's fault (Rothman and any other men in suits there). From the very begining they did nothing but cut the budget and limit everything. And the thing on how they handled X3 was just the ultimate example.

I think I even have some sympathy for Ratner, Penn, Kinberg, cause they were just pawns, and given restrictions again with having to get the movie out before Superman Returns in a near impossible time frame.
And the huge amount of money just spent on getting things done extremely quickly so they could meet their release date.
And what wasn't it the same amount of money Bryan Singer asked to have for X3 and X4? Yet they wouldn't give it to him.

Blargh! You know I'm having alittle trouble believing all this stuff actually happened, like its soo unreal. I can't believe those people at Fox. goddamn them. And you know in the end if had not cut the budgets and held back Bryan Singer the movies would have turned out probably better quality and made more money in the end.



and they've done it before with other movies!! Alien 3 anyone?

I know ratner should've never agreed to this film it severely hurt what little (and i mean little) reputation he had. Plus it pretty much prooved he is merely a "director for hire" and really has no originality what so ever just a flatout mediocore yes man. ****ing fox

 

[Theweepeople]

to branch onto/off what Theweepeople said:

I think I even have some sympathy for Ratner, Penn, Kinberg, cause they were just pawns, and given restrictions again with having to get the movie out before Superman Returns in a near impossible time frame.

I don't have sympathy for any of these guys. Kinberg is the worst of the 3 because he spent 5 months lieing to fans about what would be in X3. I dislike Ratner and Penn less but, these two knew what they were getting themselves into before Fox hired them. They were and will always be hacks.

And what wasn't it the same amount of money Bryan Singer asked to have for X3 and X4? Yet they wouldn't give it to him.

I can't confirm or deny this. What I do know is Laura Donner confirmed that X3's budget was set at 150million before Vaughn left and that's when the budget spiraled out of control.

Blargh! You know I'm having alittle trouble believing all this stuff actually happened, like its soo unreal. I can't believe those people at Fox. goddamn them. And you know in the end if had not cut the budgets and held back Bryan Singer the movies would have turned out probably better quality and made more money in the end..

I felt the same way until I read the background history of the Superman Lives project mess. Fox made numerous blunders with the development of X3 but, I think we can all agree that Warner Brothers mistakes with the Superman Lives project were 10x worse. The WB wasted at least 60million dollars on hiring multiple directors(Tim Burton Brett Ratner), writers(Peters/Abrahms), miscasting Nicolas Cage, and changing release dates. If I can find the link to that catastrophy again I will post it. One interesting thing was Ratner was quoted as saying" The superman Lives script is flawless". After he was fired by WB and hired by Fox for X3 he said" The X3 script is flawless".

and they've done it before with other movies!! Alien 3 anyone?

That film was advertised even more falsely than X3. The teaser trailer suggested that the film's setting would be on earth!!!!

 

[Theweepeople]

I did some research on the Superman Lives project and I can't believe how much worse that project was handled than X3.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgYhLIThTvk Kevin Smith's true hollywood story of Superman Lives.




http://www.agonybooth.com/forum/topic2730.htm This explains how the WB are responsible for one of the worst pre-production movie blunders of all time.



Here are some of the source material changes that Ratner agreed to:

1. Krypton doesn’t explode. Instead it’s a Naboo rip-off overrun by robot soldiers, walking war machines, and civil war (can you say, Star Wars: Episode I?). Jor-El is literally the king of Krypton and leader of the Kryptonian Senate (thus Superman is a prince), and he and Lara send Kal-El to Earth because he is "the One" whom a prophecy states will save Krypton from destruction (rip-off of The Matrix). The villains, Jor-El’s evil brother and nephew Kata-Zor and Ty-Zor, take Jor-El prisoner and send probe pods out to find and kill the baby Kal-El. 14 years later, Lara and her shell-less turtle servant Taga (shades of Jar Jar Binks) are found by Ty-Zor, and Lara gets tortured to death.
2. Superman’s costume is a living entity housed in a can, and it climbs onto him when he needs it. He first discovers it in a closet when he’s 14 (Jor-El visited Earth and picked the Kents out to be Kal-El’s new parents, leaving them his picture, some S-shield metal pieces signifying the virtues Kal-El must represent, and the costume), and the costume rips his clothes off and stuffs him into itself. So teen Clark is flying around in a suit that’s way too big for him.
3. Lex Luthor is an evil CIA agent obsessed with UFO phenomena. When Superman reveals himself to the world, Luthor demands that the government allow him to hunt Superman down and kill him. The government refuses, so Luthor allies himself with the evil Kryptonians out to kill Kal-El…because Luthor himself is an evil Kryptonian, working undercover as a human to set up an invasion of Earth!
4. All the Kryptonians get into airborne kung-fu fights straight out of The Matrix. Even Luthor gets in on the act at the end of the script.
5. An aerial kung-fu fight between Superman and Ty-Zor results in Superman being lured into a trap: Lois is drowning in a tank filled with kryptonite. (This begs the question of how there can be kryptonite when Krypton didn’t even explode, but….) Superman is given a choice: save her and die from radiation poisoning in the act, or stand by and watch her drown. So he goes in, saves her, and dies. Jor-El magically senses Superman’s death from across the galaxy, commits hara-kiri with a rock he sharpens in his prison cell, goes to Heaven, and talks Superman into coming back to life so he can fulfill the prophecy of saving Krypton from its civil war. So Superman’s soul returns to his body, and he proceeds to trash Ty-Zor and his cronies. And at the end of the film, Superman flies off in a rocket to save Krypton (which is where the second film is planned to take place).
6. A dialogue scene at The Daily Planet implies that Jimmy Olsen—a horny skirt-chaser in the comic books—is gay, as Abrams describes him as "effeminate" and Perry White rags on him for having a boyfriend.


Here is another quote from Ratner under the Superheroes Become Vogue section:

http://www.filmhobbit.com/moviereviews/madness/HNNSpecial/HNNSpecial-1.html

Kids today don't know those movies; they [movies] were done 20 years ago. 10-year-old kids know SUPERMAN, but they don't know the mythology.

Could someone please explain to me what message Ratner was trying to convey? That horrendous script he agreed to use deviated from Superman's mythology.

 

[BMM]

Yes, Superman has been giving Warner Bros. trouble for quite some time (or perhaps it's the other way around).

2. Superman’s costume is a living entity housed in a can, and it climbs onto him when he needs it. He first discovers it in a closet when he’s 14 (Jor-El visited Earth and picked the Kents out to be Kal-El’s new parents, leaving them his picture, some S-shield metal pieces signifying the virtues Kal-El must represent, and the costume), and the costume rips his clothes off and stuffs him into itself. So teen Clark is flying around in a suit that’s way too big for him.

...and this part sounds especially Spider-Man-ish.

 

[gambitfire]

I did some research on the Superman Lives project and I can't believe how much worse that project was handled than X3.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgYhLIThTvk Kevin Smith's true hollywood story of Superman Lives.

ROTFLMAO!!

Did he bring up the Spider?

He did he brought up the spider! He tell you guys about the Spider?

EVERY *****!NG DAY WITH THE SPIDER!!

...


That was great. t:

 

[TheWeatherMan]

I did some research on the Superman Lives project and I can't believe how much worse that project was handled than X3.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgYhLIThTvk Kevin Smith's true hollywood story of Superman Lives.




http://www.agonybooth.com/forum/topic2730.htm This explains how the WB are responsible for one of the worst pre-production movie blunders of all time.



Here are some of the source material changes that Ratner agreed to:

1. Krypton doesn’t explode. Instead it’s a Naboo rip-off overrun by robot soldiers, walking war machines, and civil war (can you say, Star Wars: Episode I?). Jor-El is literally the king of Krypton and leader of the Kryptonian Senate (thus Superman is a prince), and he and Lara send Kal-El to Earth because he is "the One" whom a prophecy states will save Krypton from destruction (rip-off of The Matrix). The villains, Jor-El’s evil brother and nephew Kata-Zor and Ty-Zor, take Jor-El prisoner and send probe pods out to find and kill the baby Kal-El. 14 years later, Lara and her shell-less turtle servant Taga (shades of Jar Jar Binks) are found by Ty-Zor, and Lara gets tortured to death.
2. Superman’s costume is a living entity housed in a can, and it climbs onto him when he needs it. He first discovers it in a closet when he’s 14 (Jor-El visited Earth and picked the Kents out to be Kal-El’s new parents, leaving them his picture, some S-shield metal pieces signifying the virtues Kal-El must represent, and the costume), and the costume rips his clothes off and stuffs him into itself. So teen Clark is flying around in a suit that’s way too big for him.
3. Lex Luthor is an evil CIA agent obsessed with UFO phenomena. When Superman reveals himself to the world, Luthor demands that the government allow him to hunt Superman down and kill him. The government refuses, so Luthor allies himself with the evil Kryptonians out to kill Kal-El…because Luthor himself is an evil Kryptonian, working undercover as a human to set up an invasion of Earth!
4. All the Kryptonians get into airborne kung-fu fights straight out of The Matrix. Even Luthor gets in on the act at the end of the script.
5. An aerial kung-fu fight between Superman and Ty-Zor results in Superman being lured into a trap: Lois is drowning in a tank filled with kryptonite. (This begs the question of how there can be kryptonite when Krypton didn’t even explode, but….) Superman is given a choice: save her and die from radiation poisoning in the act, or stand by and watch her drown. So he goes in, saves her, and dies. Jor-El magically senses Superman’s death from across the galaxy, commits hara-kiri with a rock he sharpens in his prison cell, goes to Heaven, and talks Superman into coming back to life so he can fulfill the prophecy of saving Krypton from its civil war. So Superman’s soul returns to his body, and he proceeds to trash Ty-Zor and his cronies. And at the end of the film, Superman flies off in a rocket to save Krypton (which is where the second film is planned to take place).
6. A dialogue scene at The Daily Planet implies that Jimmy Olsen—a horny skirt-chaser in the comic books—is gay, as Abrams describes him as "effeminate" and Perry White rags on him for having a boyfriend.


Here is another quote from Ratner under the Superheroes Become Vogue section:

http://www.filmhobbit.com/moviereviews/madness/HNNSpecial/HNNSpecial-1.html

Kids today don't know those movies; they [movies] were done 20 years ago. 10-year-old kids know SUPERMAN, but they don't know the mythology.

Could someone please explain to me what message Ratner was trying to convey? That horrendous script he agreed to use deviated from Superman's mythology.

This is soo interestingly horrible. Thank you for posting Theweepeople.

Edit.

 

[LadyVader]

That sounds like a pretty good idea. Too bad it has nothing to do with Superman.

 

[LadyVader]

That sounds like a pretty good idea. Too bad it has nothing to do with Superman.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Here are some of the source material changes that Ratner agreed to:

1. Krypton doesn’t explode. Instead it’s a Naboo rip-off overrun by robot soldiers, walking war machines, and civil war (can you say, Star Wars: Episode I?). Jor-El is literally the king of Krypton and leader of the Kryptonian Senate (thus Superman is a prince), and he and Lara send Kal-El to Earth because he is "the One" whom a prophecy states will save Krypton from destruction (rip-off of The Matrix). The villains, Jor-El’s evil brother and nephew Kata-Zor and Ty-Zor, take Jor-El prisoner and send probe pods out to find and kill the baby Kal-El. 14 years later, Lara and her shell-less turtle servant Taga (shades of Jar Jar Binks) are found by Ty-Zor, and Lara gets tortured to death.
2. Superman’s costume is a living entity housed in a can, and it climbs onto him when he needs it. He first discovers it in a closet when he’s 14 (Jor-El visited Earth and picked the Kents out to be Kal-El’s new parents, leaving them his picture, some S-shield metal pieces signifying the virtues Kal-El must represent, and the costume), and the costume rips his clothes off and stuffs him into itself. So teen Clark is flying around in a suit that’s way too big for him.
3. Lex Luthor is an evil CIA agent obsessed with UFO phenomena. When Superman reveals himself to the world, Luthor demands that the government allow him to hunt Superman down and kill him. The government refuses, so Luthor allies himself with the evil Kryptonians out to kill Kal-El…because Luthor himself is an evil Kryptonian, working undercover as a human to set up an invasion of Earth!
4. All the Kryptonians get into airborne kung-fu fights straight out of The Matrix. Even Luthor gets in on the act at the end of the script.
5. An aerial kung-fu fight between Superman and Ty-Zor results in Superman being lured into a trap: Lois is drowning in a tank filled with kryptonite. (This begs the question of how there can be kryptonite when Krypton didn’t even explode, but….) Superman is given a choice: save her and die from radiation poisoning in the act, or stand by and watch her drown. So he goes in, saves her, and dies. Jor-El magically senses Superman’s death from across the galaxy, commits hara-kiri with a rock he sharpens in his prison cell, goes to Heaven, and talks Superman into coming back to life so he can fulfill the prophecy of saving Krypton from its civil war. So Superman’s soul returns to his body, and he proceeds to trash Ty-Zor and his cronies. And at the end of the film, Superman flies off in a rocket to save Krypton (which is where the second film is planned to take place).
6. A dialogue scene at The Daily Planet implies that Jimmy Olsen—a horny skirt-chaser in the comic books—is gay, as Abrams describes him as "effeminate" and Perry White rags on him for having a boyfriend.

OMFG.

Why did I even bother somewhat defend Ratner and not embrace the fact that he's completely 110% out of his bloody mind??

Jesus, X3 was one thing, but this...

Just... wow.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I did some research on the Superman Lives project and I can't believe how much worse that project was handled than X3.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgYhLIThTvk Kevin Smith's true hollywood story of Superman Lives.

Sean f****n Penn!!! The eyes of a violent caged animaaaalll!!! t:

We get Supes cause we're both from the STREETS!! t:

Who the f**k is Kal-El? And Krypton's where he's from, right? t:

I don't wanna see him in that suit, nor fly, and he's gotta fight a giant spider in the third act t:

Spider and polar bears are the fiercest predators in the animal kingdom!!! t:

This movie needs a gay R2-D2. t:

ROTFLMAO. Priceless.

 

[X-Maniac]

See guys, The Last Stand ain't so bad after all! t: And all that Superman nonsense shows it's a good thing Ratner didn't have any more time to rework the X3 script

Having lost 110 minutes of my life to Ghost Rider --- the longest 110 minutes ever...yes my friend and I rolled our eyes at each other, groaned, shook our heads and looked at our watches several times --- I don't know what you are all moaning about with X3

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

See guys, The Last Stand ain't so bad after all! And all that Superman nonsense shows it's a good thing Ratner didn't have any more time to rework the X3 script

Having lost 110 minutes of my life to Ghost Rider --- the longest 110 minutes ever...yes my friend and I rolled our eyes at each other, groaned, shook our heads and looked at our watches several times --- I don't know what you are all moaning about with X3

Just because Ghost Rider was worse than X3 doesn't mean X3 was good. t:

That would be like saying Episode I isn't bad because there are some worse flicks out there. t:

But yeah, I'll admit X3 was a gift from the gods compared to GR. t:

 

[Theweepeople]

Just because Ghost Rider was worse than X3 doesn't mean X3 was good. t:

That would be like saying Episode I isn't bad because there are some worse flicks out there. t:

But yeah, I'll admit X3 was a gift from the gods compared to GR. t:

Actually, this is like comparing which piece of crap smelled worst. SL had the potential to be the worst film of all time but, thankfully the project died. GR was bad but, I was not expecting something epic. At least GR special effects were great. On the other hand X3 is still the most disappointing movie I've ever seen. I still can't believe that GR's budget needed 100million less to create special effects that rivaled X3's.