Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull

[nightwing06]

 

[Prefix]

Indy is an archaeologist. He finds historical things, not sci-fi movie rejects.

The crystal skulls are real-life artifacts, with mythology surrounding them that involves aliens. It is very much in the vein of Indiana Jones, rather than Star Wars.

 

[Iceman]

Yes, I am going off a 90 second trailer. However, in the previous 3 Indy movies, I can't recall any fake looking scenes, while in the 90 second trailer, things look fake. That is already a step down.

Haha well played t:

The original Indy movies are such classics that it's easy to forgive stuff like this. It doesn't really affect enjoyment of the film. If CrystalSkull is as good & the effects are the only problem I'm not going ot llose too much sleep.

 

[DoctorJones]

It's almost near fact, BTW

-TNC

Haha, true, I'm really fascinated by aliens replacing gods/fairies et al. in the modern world. It's a fresh twist certainly for Indiana Jones's return. It's not new actually: an alien being worshipped in ancient times is in the Infernal Machine video game.

 

[The Kid]

wow i didn't know ford and mutt were at the kids choice awards. http://www.imdb.com/media/rm173381120/nm0000148

FOUND VIDEO!

This is the single coolest thing i've seen all week.
http://defamer.com/374155/harrison-ford-disappointed-to-learn-slime-contains-no-alcohol

edit: WHOA was I late to the party or what?

 

[Spider-Fan]

But you also had many negative views about the movie before you even saw the trailer, so your expectations were already low. You're just finding things to nitpick about.

Yes, but I am also a fan of the series. You're just trying to minimize my opinion on this movie by showing I am not in favor of it (which is the debate method used by a movie's supporters on this site...always has been, and heck even I used to do it. Glad I don't anymore).

theres no pleasing some people;
sometimes they just need to be negative -- me: glass is always half full

I am quite the positive person. Just not on this production. Again, the first 3 Indy movies more than please me. However, I am entitled to my negative views of the movie.


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Some people just need reasons not to like it. To me, the argument is pointless:

- CGI wasn't in the original movies only because the technology didn't exist back then. If they had it, they would have used it. It doesn't always look perfect, but neither did the best special effects back in the 80s either. Many of the SFX in the original trilogy look dated, but they don't affect my enjoyment of the film.

Equally weak argument cause CGI wasn't around back then, so this is a moot argument. Who cares if it would have been used back in the day. Point is it wasn't, and they did things another way, which often times produces superior results than what CGI does, since it is nowhere near perfected.

- Harrison Ford is 65, he's hardly geriatric yet, he looks great, and he simply is Indiana Jones. He's plays a character beloved by an entire generation of movie fans who are geniunely thrilled at the chance to get to see him as Indy on the big screen at least one more time.

Watching Firewall showed me how little I think Ford has in the tank. He looked old in the movie. I prefer my Indy to not look like John McCain (I know, extreme example, but you get my point).

- Spielberg, Lucas, and Ford have been discussing a new Indy movie since the last one ended. It's not something they just came up with when Stallone started dusting off his old franchises. No studio was pushing them to put together a new movie, no one's career is hinging on it...they all wanted to do this film, which is the best reason to make a new movie.

Yes, and this movie went nowhere for years. I choose to think instead of them getting this fabulous script they all had to do, they all realized that Indy 4 is kind of now or never, and they lowered their standards. Also, I am of the opinion that Ford needs this movie if he wants to keep his career going, which I think he does.

- Indy hunting Aliens is no less risky than going after Arks holding the Ten Commandments, magic stones, or having converations with centuries-old knights about enternal life.

Indy's whole series has been based on history (cultural and religious), and thus the Ark, the grail, etc. are all fair game. Aliens are a major risk cause this is not what has been established as what the Indy movies cover. Area 51 is not like the Ark, cause the Ark had historical basis through centuries, thus research and knowledge on the matter are easier to come by for someone like Indy. Aliens are a whole different matter. This is putting an orange in a bushel of apples, and could easily back fire.

It's that simple.

It is not that simple. Maybe for you it is, but not me. Thus, I must respectively disagree with you

 

[Spider-Fan]

The crystal skulls are real-life artifacts, with mythology surrounding them that involves aliens. It is very much in the vein of Indiana Jones, rather than Star Wars.

I am not that familiar with these crystal skulls, so could you explain the real myth around them? This post has sparked my curiosity on the matter.

EDIT: I looked up some info, but found very little on the alien elements of the skulls, so if you could point me to info on the alien aspects of their legend, that would be sufficient. Found some of the stories I read somewhat interesting, but the alien stuff is most what I am looking for.

 

[Tojo]

I think the point is that Indy and co believe the crystal skulls are connected to an ancient civilisation, such as the maya. Could be wrong though. Is area 51 definatley a location in this film then?

 

[Tojo]

wow i didn't know ford and mutt were at the kids choice awards. http://www.imdb.com/media/rm173381120/nm0000148

FOUND VIDEO!

This is the single coolest thing i've seen all week.
http://defamer.com/374155/harrison-ford-disappointed-to-learn-slime-contains-no-alcohol

edit: WHOA was I late to the party or what?

haha. It's funny because none of those punk-ass kids even know what indiana jones is. haha.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I think the point is that Indy and co believe the crystal skulls are connected to an ancient civilisation, such as the maya. Could be wrong though. Is area 51 definatley a location in this film then?

I would assume the Mayans will be mentioned. They were mentioned a lot in the sites I looked up. Also read some connections with the Aztecs as well.

Though found nothing of the alien aspects. There was some mention, but no details following the mentions.

 

[Prefix]

Though found nothing of the alien aspects. There was some mention, but no details following the mentions.

I actually own a book about mysterious artifacts and the crystal skulls are featured in it. It talks about how people believe they are alien in origin, such as being actual alien skeletons, alien works of art or even instruments of telepathy.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I actually own a book about mysterious artifacts and the crystal skulls are featured in it. It talks about how people believe they are alien in origin, such as being actual alien skeletons, alien works of art or even instruments of telepathy.

I did come across the accusation of telepathy, divinity, healing powers, and even death (death being mostly from the Skull of Doom) that have been associated with the skulls. But, why exactly do people think they are of alien origin? That is what I really couldn't find on the sites I looked these up on. It didn't go into further detail.

 

[Golgo-13]

Nice pics.

 

[Prefix]

I did come across the accusation of telepathy, divinity, healing powers, and even death (death being mostly from the Skull of Doom) that have been associated with the skulls. But, why exactly do people think they are of alien origin? That is what I really couldn't find on the sites I looked these up on. It didn't go into further detail.

Thats probably because there is no evidence to back up the claims. It's a crazy conspiracy theory.

 

[Watson]

Why hello there...*makes dreamy eyes*

So this one confirms that it is the warehouse seen at the end of raiders.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Thats probably because there is no evidence to back up the claims. It's a crazy conspiracy theory.

It might be a conspiracy theory, but even conspiracy theories have reasons. I chalk up my lack of being able to find anything on the matter the fact that this is the internet, and not an actual expert on the subject.

 

[Cagefighterkip]

i wonder why indy is just watching the soviets take the crates... god im so curious; cant w8 for this flick!

 

[Cagefighterkip]

Some people just need reasons not to like it. To me, the argument is pointless:

- CGI wasn't in the original movies only because the technology didn't exist back then. If they had it, they would have used it. It doesn't always look perfect, but neither did the best special effects back in the 80s either. Many of the SFX in the original trilogy look dated, but they don't affect my enjoyment of the film.

- Harrison Ford is 65, he's hardly geriatric yet, he looks great, and he simply is Indiana Jones. He's plays a character beloved by an entire generation of movie fans who are geniunely thrilled at the chance to get to see him as Indy on the big screen at least one more time.

- Spielberg, Lucas, and Ford have been discussing a new Indy movie since the last one ended. It's not something they just came up with when Stallone started dusting off his old franchises. No studio was pushing them to put together a new movie, no one's career is hinging on it...they all wanted to do this film, which is the best reason to make a new movie.

- Indy hunting Aliens is no less risky than going after Arks holding the Ten Commandments, magic stones, or having converations with centuries-old knights about enternal life.

It's that simple.

genius; best post today

 

[danoyse]

Yes, but I am also a fan of the series. You're just trying to minimize my opinion on this movie by showing I am not in favor of it (which is the debate method used by a movie's supporters on this site...always has been, and heck even I used to do it. Glad I don't anymore).

No, minimizing your opinion would be refuting all of your points by referring to your Spiderman 3 avvy, which many people have done on here and I never have. I'm simply backing up what I believe are pointless reasons to bash the movie.

I am quite the positive person. Just not on this production. Again, the first 3 Indy movies more than please me. However, I am entitled to my negative views of the movie.

That you are. Just as we are entitled to disagree.

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You just have to put the statement in quotes.

Equally weak argument cause CGI wasn't around back then, so this is a moot argument. Who cares if it would have been used back in the day. Point is it wasn't, and they did things another way, which often times produces superior results than what CGI does, since it is nowhere near perfected.

So why constantly bring up how everything looked so much better back then (when it didn't) and how the fact they're using CGI now is a strike against the film. If they had it, they would have. All of the movies use the best technology available at the times they were made, and in that sense...this movie is no different than the original trilogy.

Watching Firewall showed me how little I think Ford has in the tank. He looked old in the movie. I prefer my Indy to not look like John McCain (I know, extreme example, but you get my point).

Firewall wasn't bad becaue Harrison Ford is old, Firewall was bad due to its terrible script. I couldn't even finish watching that movie.

Yes, and this movie went nowhere for years. I choose to think instead of them getting this fabulous script they all had to do, they all realized that Indy 4 is kind of now or never, and they lowered their standards. Also, I am of the opinion that Ford needs this movie if he wants to keep his career going, which I think he does.

They were in no rush to make another Indy movie. They'd made 3 Indy movies in 10 years. They moved on to other things. Look at their resumes over the last 19 years and they've all moved on to a multiude of projects. They've all wanted to do this project, wouldn't move on with it until it was a script they all agreed on one. You have absolutely no proof that anyone's lowered their standards.

And Harrison Ford will never be in need of a career surge. He's starred in 6 of the biggest films of all time and is perfectly happy working on his ranch in Wyoming when he's not working. He does exactly what he wants to do, not what the public wants him to do.

Indy's whole series has been based on history (cultural and religious), and thus the Ark, the grail, etc. are all fair game. Aliens are a major risk cause this is not what has been established as what the Indy movies cover. Area 51 is not like the Ark, cause the Ark had historical basis through centuries, thus research and knowledge on the matter are easier to come by for someone like Indy. Aliens are a whole different matter. This is putting an orange in a bushel of apples, and could easily back fire.

And so are Crystal Skulls. I looked them up when I heard the title of the movie and their history goes back to Mayan and Aztec cultures, and no one actually knows where they come from or how old they are. Some even claim they are remnants of the lost city of Atlantis or an alien species, other think the only date back the last 150 years or so.

In other words, right up Indy's alley. If they're after crystal skulls and it leads to Area 51--a significant part of American mythology, it fits right in.

You're making this movie far too difficult to deal with than it should be.

 

[Compi716]

Now THAT is Indiana Jones!

 

[Cagefighterkip]

new pics, up at the raider.net... a couple new ones not posted here...

http://www.theraider.net/news/fullstory_indy4.php?id=683

 

[Golgo-13]

 

[Secret Fawful]

I think you people will be praising Mutt more than Short Round come May.

 

[Tojo]

No-one can surpass the might and cuteness of Shortie.

Heard a terrible rumour yesterday that Ford has signed on for Indy 5, while Lebof has signed on for Indy 5, 6 and 7. While i'm all for and Indy 5, if they do it really soon, i'm not for a Mutt-becomes-Indy spin-off series

 

[scifiwolf]

Hey Spider-Fan, I see you're still fightin the fight (Mad props for sticking to your guns, even if I disagree with your pessimism). I think you're having trouble becuase there's just not mutch out there on the crystal skulls. They're real in that there's a lot of history with respect to their existence, but their existence is still a mystery. There haven't been any definitive, unrefutable artifacts to support their legend, but only to encourage it. If you want some good info, the most relevant search you should do is for the Mitchell-Hedges skull. It's the closest you'll come to finding an example of the real crystal skull. Hope that helps.

And Tojo, Ford and Labeouf have both signed on for 3-picture deals, just to cover all bases. We've been told that this was a formality and no more Indy movies are to be made. This was all gone over last year.