The Dark Knight Intensity of Fight sequences in TDK!

[Lobster Charlie]

I think people really exaggerate about the fights in the first film. Most (if not all) of us here have seen the film probably 100 times by now. The only real unclear fight for me was the docks. After that, the cuts may be quick, but I had no problem seeing what was going on.

When Batman fights the 4 ninjas in the narrows? Awesome! And the only real problem with the Batman vs. Ra's fight was it was a bit too short. It was plenty brutal and high-impact, though.

If anything, I want more of the "horror movie" moments with Batman scaring the crap out of people, and knocking them out with one blow. I know Begins was about his first week or so on the job, so it'd make sense that he's going to go toe-to-toe with some guys, but in TDK I want to see more of the hard-hitting guy who knows the right move to incapacitate his enemy.

 

[Crook]

I think people really exaggerate about the fights in the first film. Most (if not all) of us here have seen the film probably 100 times by now. The only real unclear fight for me was the docks. After that, the cuts may be quick, but I had no problem seeing what was going on.

Maybe you could put missing pieces together, so to speak, but I highly doubt you knew exactly what was going on.

When it's probably the one factor that everyone has agreed was a flaw, I think it's safe to say most weren't huge fans of it. Hopefully Nolan will keep the same visceral tone of the fights, but in the same way the fighting changed in Bourne Supremacy & Bourne Ultimatum, to better appease movie viewers.

 

[silentflute]

If anything, I want more of the "horror movie" moments with Batman scaring the crap out of people, and knocking them out with one blow. I know Begins was about his first week or so on the job, so it'd make sense that he's going to go toe-to-toe with some guys, but in TDK I want to see more of the hard-hitting guy who knows the right move to incapacitate his enemy.

Amen.It should never feel like the criminals have the "oh, it's Batman" attitude that was so prevelant in the Burton/Shumacher films..They need to constantly be pissing their pants evry time he hunts 'em down.

 

[symbspider33]

Nolan needs to take action direction from Martin Campbell (Casino Royale). WIDE, CLEAR shots please.....no quick, close shots like in Batman Begins. the fight scenes were one of my only gripes about the movie...

I couldn't have said it better bb was a great movie but i still get dissy form the crazy camera!

 

[Hole Shot]

the whole fight with ras at the end was shot so poorly, its so hard to watch. i get headaches just thinking about that fight. i couldnt make out anyones moves. one minutes batman is n the ground, next minute bats is standing up ready to slap something, then a second later dives onto something. it was hard to tell what was going on.

Yes we know, you prefer Batman to take on three goons by having the first goon run at Michael Keaton and Keaton sloooooooowly lifts his leg and the goon collides with, then the next goon runs at Keaton and he holds out his fist, which that goon collides with, then the next goon runs as Keaton...

 

[Figs]

Yes we know, you prefer Batman to take on three goons by having the first goon run at Michael Keaton and Keaton sloooooooowly lifts his leg and the goon collides with, then the next goon runs at Keaton and he holds out his fist, which that goon collides with, then the next goon runs as Keaton...

Some people still prefer that old school, lame "one guy at a time" style I guess lol.

 

[Joe-ker]

Some people still prefer that old school, lame "one guy at a time" style I guess lol.

That was one of my favorite parts of Walker Texas ranger... "Ok guys, we could take him all at one time and brutalize him... or we could take him one-on-one and get our asses kicked..."

"One-on-one it is..."

 

[El Payaso]

Yes we know, you prefer Batman to take on three goons by having the first goon run at Michael Keaton and Keaton sloooooooowly lifts his leg and the goon collides with, then the next goon runs at Keaton and he holds out his fist, which that goon collides with, then the next goon runs as Keaton...

While is well edited it works. You prefer not having a fight but a bunch of blurry shots.

 

[Hole Shot]

While is well edited it works. You prefer not having a fight but a bunch of blurry shots.

No, I've just always said that Hollywood or Hong Kong never get fights right when the hero is outnumbered. No matter how well it's edited, it's usually the the hero taking them on one-by-one. He'll always take a defensive stance and let them come at him.

Nolan's fights may be hard to see, but at least Batman is always the aggressor when taking on multiple opponents. Which is a rarity.

 

[Shoemeister]

No, I've just always said that Hollywood or Hong Kong never get fights right when the hero is outnumbered. No matter how well it's edited, it's usually the the hero taking them on one-by-one. He'll always take a defensive stance and let them come at him.

Nolan's fights may be hard to see, but at least Batman is always the aggressor when taking on multiple opponents. Which is a rarity.

Hmm, yeah that's a very good point. For all the complaints they get, I happen to like Nolan's fight sequences.

 

[Mr. Socko]

Want to see someone get it right, watch South Korean cinema!

 

[Hole Shot]

Want to see someone get it right, watch South Korean cinema!

Technically the only movie that ever got it right is the park scene in "Kids" that what usually happens when one guys is vastly outnumbered in a fight.



Kidding aside, if you can find any South Korean fight scenes on youtube I'd love to check them out.

 

[Crook]

Imo, Krav Maga is the most ideal fighting style I've seen, that would suit Batman. It was featured a bit in the Bourne films, so you get an idea of how it would look on film.

Wiki or Youtube it, it's absolutely brutal. It's currently taught in the Israeli army which emphasizes maximum threat neutralization in a close quarters environment.

What's even better, is that while very practical, it also looks stylishly bad-ass. Best of both worlds.

 

[Naite22]

I think people really exaggerate about the fights in the first film. Most (if not all) of us here have seen the film probably 100 times by now. The only real unclear fight for me was the docks. After that, the cuts may be quick, but I had no problem seeing what was going on.

When Batman fights the 4 ninjas in the narrows? Awesome! And the only real problem with the Batman vs. Ra's fight was it was a bit too short. It was plenty brutal and high-impact, though.

If anything, I want more of the "horror movie" moments with Batman scaring the crap out of people, and knocking them out with one blow. I know Begins was about his first week or so on the job, so it'd make sense that he's going to go toe-to-toe with some guys, but in TDK I want to see more of the hard-hitting guy who knows the right move to incapacitate his enemy.

Dude, if you can truely follow the fights, and see that beautiful Keysi-martial-arts-form they're using in this movie, than I envy you, I really do! On this point, no one is exaggerating... The fights were way too up close, you couldn't understand what the heck was going on, and it was sad. If there's one thing that I remember practickly all reviews mentioning, it was the fact that the fight-sequences were way too confusing.

That's all I'm hoping they're gonna do different in the new movie, that they pan out that damn camera!

 

[dark_b]

Imo, Krav Maga is the most ideal fighting style I've seen, that would suit Batman. It was featured a bit in the Bourne films, so you get an idea of how it would look on film.

Wiki or Youtube it, it's absolutely brutal. It's currently taught in the Israeli army which emphasizes maximum threat neutralization in a close quarters environment.

What's even better, is that while very practical, it also looks stylishly bad-ass. Best of both worlds.

krav maga is IMO very similar like keysi fighting method.and both have the same aproach:' go get them and use everyting you can to win''

 

[TromaFreak64]

Dude, if you can truely follow the fights, and see that beautiful Keysi-martial-arts-form they're using in this movie, than I envy you, I really do! On this point, no one is exaggerating... The fights were way too up close, you couldn't understand what the heck was going on, and it was sad. If there's one thing that I remember practickly all reviews mentioning, it was the fact that the fight-sequences were way too confusing.

That's all I'm hoping they're gonna do different in the new movie, that they pan out that damn camera!

Practically all reviews????

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/batman_begins/

Go there and read those reviews -- even the ones who don't like the movie seem to have nothing to do with the fight scenes... that's right there are 245 reviews and only about 9 of them mention "fight scenes" as any type of issue at all...

That's hardly "majority"... in fact that is like 3.6% or something....

Maybe you were trying to say something different like "people's opinions" but those aren't really "reviews" in the sense of the word as everyone else here knows it... so maybe you should be more clear or not deliberatly decieve people (if you were aware of this fact).

I could believe a majority of people say the fights were the problem, but professional critics... that's stretching it, but go to any message board and it seems to the one critique you see over and over is the fight scenes... so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that is what you are saying.

I don't have a whole lot of data or sources to back that up (and as everyone knows I love sources) but just making a quick glance through BB thread and TDK threads at a general public site like IMDB there are currently over 20 threads in the 10 most recent pages of each addressing the issue... so I'd say that is a pretty good indication. Just be careful what you say.

 

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

Some of the professional reviewers thought it was a prequel and not a reboot.

 

[TromaFreak64]

Some of the professional reviewers thought it was a prequel and not a reboot.

lol

I didn't say the professional reviewers did a good job... I simply refuted the majority claim - in fact in reading so many freakin' reviews from there, many are overwhelmingly "bad"... so just 'cause I used the source doesn't mean I agree with any of those people's opinions...

Man I'm gonna have to get one of those legal disclaimers like film studios use before dvd's addressing their commentaries, to go along with all the sources I use.

 

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

Yea not criticizing you, your point was made pretty well, Regularly use RT for a rough idea of if a movie is worth watching. Sometimes the things they say completely contrast other reviewers opinions to the point that it's funny.

 

[El Payaso]

No, I've just always said that Hollywood or Hong Kong never get fights right when the hero is outnumbered. No matter how well it's edited, it's usually the the hero taking them on one-by-one. He'll always take a defensive stance and let them come at him.

Nolan's fights may be hard to see, but at least Batman is always the aggressor when taking on multiple opponents. Which is a rarity.

I guess when you can't see a thing you have to assume it was well done since you can't prove otherwise. Still not a very imaginative solution to deal with visual challenges.

 

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

I just want to see them this time. LOL

 

[Crook]

krav maga is IMO very similar like keysi fighting method.and both have the same aproach:' go get them and use everyting you can to win''

True, while the concept is similar, the approach looks completely different imo. Krav Maga just looks more brutal, Keysi to me looks too messy.

Practically all reviews????

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/batman_begins/

Go there and read those reviews -- even the ones who don't like the movie seem to have nothing to do with the fight scenes... that's right there are 245 reviews and only about 9 of them mention "fight scenes" as any type of issue at all...

That's hardly "majority"... in fact that is like 3.6% or something....

I remember practically reading every single BB review, and came across a lot more than 9 people mentioning the fighting/editing.

Besides, I doubt you went through all 245 reviews.

 

[TromaFreak64]

True, while the concept is similar, the approach looks completely different imo. Krav Maga just looks more brutal, Keysi to me looks too messy.


I remember practically reading every single BB review, and came across a lot more than 9 people mentioning the fighting/editing.

Besides, I doubt you went through all 245 reviews.

You'd be amazed what stupid things I'll do at 4 am to make a point around these boards... I'm known for that level of stupid and time wastefulness when in insomniac mode.

Plus I'd been drinking... so I have no idea what I was thinking... go back through and you can do it too... it's not even worth it though, like someone else already pointed out, many of those reviews are just plain bad... and even they didn't understand what BB was about...

 

[metalhead971]

Plain and simple, the fight scenes need to improve. The final battle was followable (is that a word?), but it takes an effort, or countless viewings (which is not a problem for me, since I watch BB once a day). The 4 ninjas fight was barely even coherent, I've seen the movie at least 100 times, and I still have no clue whats going on there. The docks, I can understand, because its his first appearance, and Nolan himself said he wanted to cut it quick to make him seem blindingly fast. Overall, it's just messy work, and it really needs to improve, because I want a fight scene in TDK that I can follow with minimal effort.

 

[Figs]

I guess when you can't see a thing you have to assume it was well done since you can't prove otherwise. Still not a very imaginative solution to deal with visual challenges.

That is solely up to the individual though El Payaso. While others had a hard to near impossible time seeing what was happening in the fights, me as well as others I've seen posting on here saw everything ok since the first time we watched the film.

I do agree for the sake of everyone though, he should pull the camera back and slow it down just a tad.