The Dark Knight Intensity of Fight sequences in TDK!

Which fight scenes were better choreographed?

  • TDK

  • Batman Begins

  • They were the same


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The fight scenes were better in this than BB. Could've been choreographed a little better but still an improvement over BB. But Nolan's Batman stories are so good and compelling until I don't really care about the fighting. These really are character-driven movies.
 
Asians are not the only ones in the world with martial arts and fighting styles and Batman wasn't trained just by Asians. The whole point is that Batman is so skilled in so many different types of fighting methods that it is ridiculous that he would rely on just a single or even a handful of kung fu styles. Batman's fighting would be his own mix of boxing, street fighting and an assortment of various other martial arts, all coming together to form his own fighting method. And you'd do well to pick a up and read a comic yourself just to see that Batman doesn't exclusively use Asian martial arts when he fights.

i would have kind of hoped you'd read what i said before responding:

"batman was trained in asian martial arts (among others)"
 
let's not overlook that ONCE again batman did NOT deliver when it came to the FIGHT scenes. In BB we fell victim to shaky camera movements during the fights. In TDK the camera held steady BUT the fights looked like they came from the old batman t.v. series, slow, plain and boring, i was waiting for "bam", "boom", "pow"...etc.

That's how real fights in real life are: no lighting fast kung fu dancing action, heavy punches and kicks, but also usually end quick. Since Nolan goes for realism in these movies, I wouldn't expect the fights to deviate much from this basic, true formula (which is a good thing because I don't like dancing unless its Jackie Chan or Jet Li or both XD).
 
Real life fights are anything but slow and/or heavy. Unless the combatants are trained and well-prepared for the fight. Which usually, they're not.
 
Really? The audience was that enthralled with EVERY single fight scene in TDK? I find that hard to believe. :o
Then don't but, ask yourself this why would I lie? Believe it or not I also heard a few people whisper "ouch" after the fight sequences.
 
That's how real fights in real life are: no lighting fast kung fu dancing action, heavy punches and kicks, but also usually end quick. Since Nolan goes for realism in these movies, I wouldn't expect the fights to deviate much from this basic, true formula (which is a good thing because I don't like dancing unless its Jackie Chan or Jet Li or both XD).

ignoring the fact that almost every aspect of the film would fall apart if realism were actually utilized to the degree you seem to be giving nolan credit for...the fact remains that this isnt real life, its a movie. and the most essential goal for a movie is to be entertaining. and especially in the case of an action movie, like the dark knight, the action scenes are expected to be entertaining. and while the fight sequences in TDK were and improvement over BB, they were still fairly stiff and lackluster.
 
I thought his fighting style was brutal, especially the swat scene at the end. The sound fx were just vicious, moreso than BB. You could definately hear that he had some power behind him. Why use a bunch of fast punches or kicks, when he can take them out with one brutal punch or elbow.
Bingo. Efficiency > flashy and that's what Nolan was clearly going for. You want flashy Bat-fights? Rent Batman Forever.

To be completely honest though, I was hoping for a Bourne-esqe fight scene here or there in TDK but no biggie.
 
i would have kind of hoped you'd read what i said before responding:

"batman was trained in asian martial arts (among others)"

So why the hell, according to you, should the fights be like Fist of Legend, which is exclusively Asian martial arts, when you concede the fact that Batman knows a (and uses) many more other fighting styles? Like I said before, it is doesn't make an iota of sense wanting to see Batman fight like Jet Li or Jackie Chan. Period.
 
ignoring the fact that almost every aspect of the film would fall apart if realism were actually utilized to the degree you seem to be giving nolan credit for...the fact remains that this isnt real life, its a movie. and the most essential goal for a movie is to be entertaining. and especially in the case of an action movie, like the dark knight, the action scenes are expected to be entertaining. and while the fight sequences in TDK were and improvement over BB, they were still fairly stiff and lackluster.

Yes, I'm sure millions of people who went to see TDK and pushed its 18 day worldwide total to 600 million did not think it was entertaining. :dry: :whatever:
 
I like that Batman simply fought efficient, but I missed the sense of speed from BB. What I also missed was that creature of the night sense. I really love how Batman was like a wraith in BB, striking fast and unseen from the shadows, making thugs think he could just disappear or fly.
 
You have to understand that Nolan's Batman has a certain type of fighting style. It's a brutal "in your face" type of combat rather than a highly acrobatic style.
 
You know, classically Batman was not some kind of ultimate superior ninja fighter nor do I think too many people would enjoy that because that angle TAKES a lot FROM the character.

Seriously, it is relatively recently in the comic book development that necessitated Batman being the supreme master of 10 trillion martial art styles and being able to beat every athlete on all the Earth who was not super-humanly enhanced in their associated sports hands-down.

The reason for this is that Batman is meant to be HUMAN and, moreover, it is god damn awful writing to claim that one guy, no matter how stinking unbelievably rich, no matter how traumatic his parents death, no matter how dedicated... could possibly out-perform and outdo thousands of people's lifetime dedications in a matter of less than a decade.

Okay, so he trained with Ra Ahl Gul and the league of assassins, granted, but only for a relatively SHORT time. And, yes, I know there is this whole white power mentality that all white people can do all Asian stuff a hundred million times better than any Asian could possibly do it, but well... its been done to death in Chuck Norris and Steven Seagal films and the recent Matrix and Kill Bill films and so until we get a Green Hornet film so we can put the rich playboy gun-fighter detective part and the car-racing ninja part into two different characters of more appropriate ethnicities can we please leave that **** in the proverbal mental closet?

And until we necessitate Batman hanging out with and standing toe-to-toe with Superman, Green Lantern and the modern Superman-esque Wonder Woman, we don't need whatsoever for him to be some kind of ultimate pinacle super-human.

The fights in Dark Knight are exactly what one would expect from someone of Batman's reasonably acceptable skill level loaded with the displayed gear. It is hard, grissled and realistic just like the rest of the film. Yes, maybe it would have been nice if we could have seen some more like Batman Begins where he APPEARS to be a better fighter because the camera isn't focused so much on him as much on the criminal, but he was shown getting hurt, out manuevered and beaten at times to maintain the humanity of the character.

For all his riches, all his technology, all his brooding and secrets, ultimately Batman is just a guy dressed up in a silly costume that is meant to make him APPEAR to be more than human. That's the draw of the character, he is feasably achievable for a human. It does not call for being born on an alien planet, doused with radiation in some manner, being injected with some sort of drug, making deals with demons, being born half-vampire or loading up with a ridiculous arsenal of guns and mowing people down mercilessly... all one needs to do in order to be like Batman (or most of his villains for that matter-- Freeze, Bane and Poison Ivy being the obvious exceptions) is have dedication.
 
Meh, the fight scenes were ok. Batman has never had amazing action anyway :woot: Especially compared to what we see nowadays, all kinds of crazy CGI stuff.
 
Meh, the fight scenes were ok. Batman has never had amazing action anyway :woot: Especially compared to what we see nowadays, all kinds of crazy CGI stuff.

Which will look rubbish in 10-20 years. hell, most of Spiderman 1 and 3 already do.
 
I thought the fight scenes were much clearer, it wasn´t choppy editing, the only one less visible was the night club one, but it was intentional, and effective. And it highlights keysi much better, Batman finally has what you can call signature fight moves. An I was entertained, I thought they had the right amount of kinetic energy and brutality, with no need of the tired and cliché super-heightened dancing kung fu, which would look silly and unfitting in the more real and grounded tone and style of the movie anyway. The third Mummy had tons of what some seem to assume is the only way to do fighting in a movie, and it took (no pun intended) a beating at the box office.
 
You know, classically Batman was not some kind of ultimate superior ninja fighter nor do I think too many people would enjoy that because that angle TAKES a lot FROM the character.

Seriously, it is relatively recently in the comic book development that necessitated Batman being the supreme master of 10 trillion martial art styles and being able to beat every athlete on all the Earth who was not super-humanly enhanced in their associated sports hands-down.

The reason for this is that Batman is meant to be HUMAN and, moreover, it is god damn awful writing to claim that one guy, no matter how stinking unbelievably rich, no matter how traumatic his parents death, no matter how dedicated... could possibly out-perform and outdo thousands of people's lifetime dedications in a matter of less than a decade.

Okay, so he trained with Ra Ahl Gul and the league of assassins, granted, but only for a relatively SHORT time. And, yes, I know there is this whole white power mentality that all white people can do all Asian stuff a hundred million times better than any Asian could possibly do it, but well... its been done to death in Chuck Norris and Steven Seagal films and the recent Matrix and Kill Bill films and so until we get a Green Hornet film so we can put the rich playboy gun-fighter detective part and the car-racing ninja part into two different characters of more appropriate ethnicities can we please leave that **** in the proverbal mental closet?

And until we necessitate Batman hanging out with and standing toe-to-toe with Superman, Green Lantern and the modern Superman-esque Wonder Woman, we don't need whatsoever for him to be some kind of ultimate pinacle super-human.

The fights in Dark Knight are exactly what one would expect from someone of Batman's reasonably acceptable skill level loaded with the displayed gear. It is hard, grissled and realistic just like the rest of the film. Yes, maybe it would have been nice if we could have seen some more like Batman Begins where he APPEARS to be a better fighter because the camera isn't focused so much on him as much on the criminal, but he was shown getting hurt, out manuevered and beaten at times to maintain the humanity of the character.

For all his riches, all his technology, all his brooding and secrets, ultimately Batman is just a guy dressed up in a silly costume that is meant to make him APPEAR to be more than human. That's the draw of the character, he is feasably achievable for a human. It does not call for being born on an alien planet, doused with radiation in some manner, being injected with some sort of drug, making deals with demons, being born half-vampire or loading up with a ridiculous arsenal of guns and mowing people down mercilessly... all one needs to do in order to be like Batman (or most of his villains for that matter-- Freeze, Bane and Poison Ivy being the obvious exceptions) is have dedication.
BRAVO! Who says newbie's are "n00bs" or don't contribute, great post! :applaud:up:
 
ignoring the fact that almost every aspect of the film would fall apart if realism were actually utilized to the degree you seem to be giving nolan credit for...the fact remains that this isnt real life, its a movie. and the most essential goal for a movie is to be entertaining. and especially in the case of an action movie, like the dark knight, the action scenes are expected to be entertaining. and while the fight sequences in TDK were and improvement over BB, they were still fairly stiff and lackluster.

I´d have thought it lackluster if he went for super-heightened kung fu dancing kind of fighting, which would look specially fake and overly choreographed contrasted to the more grounded tone and style of the movie. Batman isn´t a "showy" fighter, he´s fast, efficient and brutal with no exaggeration, and this is how he fights, and the more grounded tone made them much more believable and enjoyable to me, it didn´t feel like a dance, it felt like a fight, with some great moments of well-done stunts - such as Batman landing and immediately pushing the asian guy through the glass - or raw brutality - bumping the thug´s head against the balcony and then joker against the glass.
 
I like that Batman simply fought efficient, but I missed the sense of speed from BB. What I also missed was that creature of the night sense. I really love how Batman was like a wraith in BB, striking fast and unseen from the shadows, making thugs think he could just disappear or fly.

Im totally with you on that one, it was one thing definitly missing out of TDK for me, that I absolutely loved in BB! But obviously thugs and criminals in Gotham wouldnt think that forever, they would have a sense of comfort after a while, and you can tell they've gotten used to the fact that Batmans in Gotham, already in the beginning scene in TDK.
 
So why the hell, according to you, should the fights be like Fist of Legend, which is exclusively Asian martial arts, when you concede the fact that Batman knows a (and uses) many more other fighting styles? Like I said before, it is doesn't make an iota of sense wanting to see Batman fight like Jet Li or Jackie Chan. Period.

i was using fist of legend as a particular example because the fight scenes were entertaining, well choreographed, adequetly filmed, and very well executed by the actors.

Yes, I'm sure millions of people who went to see TDK and pushed its 18 day worldwide total to 600 million did not think it was entertaining. :dry: :whatever:

where did i say the film wasnt entertaining? i just said the fight scenes could have been better, particularly for an action movie.

I´d have thought it lackluster if he went for super-heightened kung fu dancing kind of fighting, which would look specially fake and overly choreographed contrasted to the more grounded tone and style of the movie. Batman isn´t a "showy" fighter, he´s fast, efficient and brutal with no exaggeration, and this is how he fights, and the more grounded tone made them much more believable and enjoyable to me, it didn´t feel like a dance, it felt like a fight, with some great moments of well-done stunts - such as Batman landing and immediately pushing the asian guy through the glass - or raw brutality - bumping the thug´s head against the balcony and then joker against the glass.

i agree, it would have been disappointing if they used super heightened kung fu dancing. but thats not what im asking for or expecting. but batman did train extensively in asia, it would be an integral part of his style. and just becuase asian fighting methods are used, doesnt mean they're not well grounded or not brutal. i do not see why those things would have to be mutually exclusive
 
Someone name a film that came out this summer with better fight scenes than TDK!
 
I simply think fighting all acrobatic and roundhouse kicking everyone in the face, isn't really all that much fun while wearing a kevlar suit. Why get all fancy and exhaust yourself, when you can accomplish the same with a few simple motions and grabs?
 
i was using fist of legend as a particular example because the fight scenes were entertaining, well choreographed, adequetly filmed, and very well executed by the actors.



where did i say the film wasnt entertaining? i just said the fight scenes could have been better, particularly for an action movie.



i agree, it would have been disappointing if they used super heightened kung fu dancing. but thats not what im asking for or expecting. but batman did train extensively in asia, it would be an integral part of his style. and just becuase asian fighting methods are used, doesnt mean they're not well grounded or not brutal. i do not see why those things would have to be mutually exclusive

He used KFM, which IS an asian method, and it´s efficient and brutal, as he is.
 
Someone name a film that came out this summer with better fight scenes than TDK!

name a film this summer with better musical sequences and dance choreography than mamma mia!? clearly, mamma mia! rocks and is above criticism then.
 

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