Is anyone else underwhelmed by what they've seen so far of next-gen?

ProjectPat2280 said:
Hah, doubt it.As for price, youre probably right. The controller will NOT catch on with the casual gamer.It limits what games you can play on the system. The graphics(from what has been shown at E3) are sub current-gen AT BEST! Now, i know graphics are not everything, but c'mon, its the next generation of gaming, graphics are extremly important. The gamecube, no matter how hard u deny it, was behind both the Xbox and Ps2, expect that trend to continue on in next-gen.

Explain why Nintendo was declared the victor of E3 this year by the gamming public.
 
hippie_hunter said:
Explain why Nintendo was declared the victor of E3 this year by the gamming public.

I dont know where u pulled that from???

Im sure most of you, were wowing about the gamecube when it first was announced, and we all saw how 'great' it did compared to the other 2.
 
ProjectPat2280 said:
I can understand why you would say that, but i dont see it outselling the Ps3 or the Xbox 360, or even coming close for that matter. For example, take Zelda for instance, Link uses a sword right? Well with the Wii, your controller is the sword, AWESOME, right?? WRONG. Thats all great until your sword connects with an object yet your Wii controller doesnt. It wont feel right, your sword on screen stops, but you little wii controller keeps going. Unless they are adding an ass of feedback, or even an electric shock, you are not going to get the feel of a sword fight.

The sword fighting and things like that do concern me a little. I am sure there is a way to do it, but I just can't think of it.

And while most agree that graphics aren't what make a game great, I think they can definately hurt the sales of the Wii. Let's say a kid is at Best Buy with his mom and dad and they see three televisions. One playing the PS3, one the 360, and one the Wii. Yes they will be able to see that the remote is different than the others, but the first thing they would notice, that anyone would notice, would be the substandard graphics. Any time a game is first revealed to the public, one of, if not the first thing people (including myself) will think of is "wow, awesome graphics". It might not be needed to make great gameplay, but it helps make a hell of a first impression, and I do think that it will affect the sales of the Wii, even if it is the best system of the three.
 
ProjectPat2280 said:
Hah, doubt it.As for price, youre probably right. The controller will NOT catch on with the casual gamer.

Nope, the very reason it is this way is to attract casual gamers. Form the news websites, its already working.

It limits what games you can play on the system.

No. There are limits to what can be controlled only by the motion and pointer elements of the design. The Wiimote still works like any other controller or use the gamepad that will come boxed with the console.

The graphics(from what has been shown at E3) are sub current-gen AT BEST! Now, i know graphics are not everything, but c'mon, its the next generation of gaming, graphics are extremly important.

The graphics are better than the current gen. You are confusing simple graphic design with 'bad graphics'.

The gamecube, no matter how hard u deny it, was behind both the Xbox and Ps2, expect that trend to continue on in next-gen.

Yes, for several reasons none of them were because of design or console power.

The trend will continue? Here are some other similar thoughts...

Microsoft will never enter the videogame console market.
Nintendo will always be the number 1 brand.
SEGA cant fail.
SONY cant defeat Nintendo or SEGA.
 
kytrigger said:
The sword fighting and things like that do concern me a little. I am sure there is a way to do it, but I just can't think of it.

And while most agree that graphics aren't what make a game great, I think they can definately hurt the sales of the Wii. Let's say a kid is at Best Buy with his mom and dad and they see three televisions. One playing the PS3, one the 360, and one the Wii. Yes they will be able to see that the remote is different than the others, but the first thing they would notice, that anyone would notice, would be the substandard graphics. Any time a game is first revealed to the public, one of, if not the first thing people (including myself) will think of is "wow, awesome graphics". It might not be needed to make great gameplay, but it helps make a hell of a first impression, and I do think that it will affect the sales of the Wii, even if it is the best system of the three.

I agree.Really well put. IMO the Gamecube had HUGE potential that wasnt used,i mean RE4 was AMAZING.
 
Mentok said:
Nope, the very reason it is this way is to attract casual gamers. Form the news websites, its already working.



No. There are limits to what can be controlled only by the motion and pointer elements of the design. The Wiimote still works like any other controller or use the gamepad that will come boxed with the console.



The graphics are better than the current gen. You are confusing simple graphic design with 'bad graphics'.



Yes, for several reasons none of them were because of design or console power.

The trend will continue? Here are some other similar thoughts...

Microsoft will never enter the videogame console market.
Nintendo will always be the number 1 brand.
SEGA cant fail.
SONY cant defeat Nintendo or SEGA.

No, that remote is for a select audince, ie: little kids, if it aint broke dont fix it.
Possibly.
The graphics, at this point, are terrible at best.
Never said it was based on design or power(clearly the system had power), but it was still the bottom of the 3.
I never stated all trends continue, but to expect Nintendos poor consoles to continue, thats my opinion.
 
ProjectPat2280 said:
No, that remote is for a select audince, ie: little kids, if it aint broke dont fix it.
Possibly.
The graphics, at this point, are terrible at best.
Never said it was based on design or power(clearly the system had power), but it was still the bottom of the 3.
I never stated all trends continue, but to expect Nintendos poor consoles to continue, thats my opinion.

:rolleyes:
 
ProjectPat2280 said:
I dont know where u pulled that from???

Im sure most of you, were wowing about the gamecube when it first was announced, and we all saw how 'great' it did compared to the other 2.

Look around this entire forum, almost everyone has declared Nintendo the winner, IGN, Gamespot, and others have practically declared Nintendo the winner.
 
hippie_hunter said:
Look around this entire forum, almost everyone has declared Nintendo the winner, IGN, Gamespot, and others have practically declared Nintendo the winner.

I dont know what IGN, Gamespot and others you are browsing but, i think you are forgetting to read the other articles NOT based on the Wii. I could argue until i pass out, ill just have to wait until all the sytems are out, and then ill see how good the Wii does. IMO, i think itll fail, but ill have to wait and see.
 
ProjectPat2280 said:
I dont know what IGN, Gamespot and others you are browsing but, i think you are forgetting to read the other articles NOT based on the Wii.
Maybe you should do some reading up on the Wii controller before you bash it (for i.e for kids). How is something motion sensitive made for kids? Sorta like the way a dual screen handheld with one of them being touch screen... YEAH we seen how that turned out didnt we? Oh wait...

To help with the sword thing you mentioned. Not only will the controller rumble each time it hits something, it will also make a sound (IT HAS A BUILT IN SPEAKER). If that doesn't help with you with hit detection, then don't get it. Its simple. Everyone trying it is enjoying it. Every web site I have been to has been saying Nintendo's booth, is indeed the most busy. What does this mean? Depends how you look at it. It doesn't mean nintendo will be next-gen winner. It doesn't mean Nintendo is better then Sony. But I can tell you what it DOES mean. People are interest to see what their doing. And that my friend, is a very good thing.
 
ProjectPat2280 said:
No, that remote is for a select audince, ie: little kids, if it aint broke dont fix it.

You assume that basic design means its for 'little kids' That right there is whats wrong with gamers today.


Imagine you are a casual gamer. I dont mean casual is in 'I play a few times a week', I mean 'I play a few times a year'.

Now someone hands you a controller to play a game with. Which one is less daunting?

A controller that requires complex combinations of button input?

ps2controller.jpg



Or a controller that uses basic motions?

fea_remote.png



The graphics, at this point, are terrible at best.

Really? You must know better than the people at E3 playing the games then.

Never said it was based on design or power(clearly the system had power), but it was still the bottom of the 3.

Why? because Game Cube was so that means Wii will too?

I never stated all trends continue, but to expect Nintendos poor consoles to continue, thats my opinion.

The only poor console of recent times was the Gamecube.
 
I think that, financially at least, Nintendo is gonna kick the crap out of Microsoft and Sony. And who knows, maybe it will sell more units too.
 
Mentok said:
You assume that basic design means its for 'little kids' That right there is whats wrong with gamers today.


Imagine you are a casual gamer. I dont mean casual is in 'I play a few times a week', I mean 'I play a few times a year'.

Now someone hands you a controller to play a game with. Which one is less daunting?

A controller that requires complex combinations of button input?

ps2controller.jpg

Add 4 more buttons: L2, R2, L3, and R3.


The only poor console of recent times was the Gamecube.

Even that wasn't a huge failure. Gamecube did very well considering it had tough competition. The main problem was it didnt have online support which quickly caught on this generation.
 
Spidey-Bat said:
Even that wasn't a huge failure. Gamecube did very well considering it had tough competition. The main problem was it didnt have online support which quickly caught on this generation.

Yeah, the only failure Nintendo has really had was the Virtua Boy.... *Shudders*
 
The PS3 controller isn't the same thing as the Wiimote. Sony are trying to pretend that it is, but it isn't. And I don't think their "tilt" feature will be used for very many games.

According to hands on reports it works great as the method of controller for Warhawk, and it's being used in Resistance in some way. If it can be used in a FPS effectively I don't think developers will have a hard time finding other ways to use it, not that you'll see it in every game or anything close to that number. It isn't just tilting the controller left or right, it is '3D' for lack of a better term.

It's a shame that the PS3 controller won't have rumble to it anymore, Kojima Productions always does a good job with teh rumble feature.
 
the remote looks cool and i dont see how anyone is going to have trouble with the controller, damn thing looks like a tv remote. i wonder tho how is my thumb suppose to reach the last two buttons while i use the A button..


fea_remote.png
 
the bottom two buttons are for when you use it as a NES controller, you turn it to the side.
 
the fact that the wii will certainly bring back the old school gamers who turned away from gaming is more than enough to guarantee its victory.
 
I am the casual gamer, and wii looks pretty cool to me.
 
Jager X said:
the fact that the wii will certainly bring back the old school gamers who turned away from gaming is more than enough to guarantee its victory.

I don't think it really will bring back old school gamers that abandoned the current gen systems though. I think that for the most part, they are gone. For me, it's still really hard to say how the general public will react to the Wii. So far it has gotten a huge amount of good vibes from us, the avid gamers, but we don't alway s share the opinions of Joe Public.

So far, I think the Wii should be a success, but I can't be sure until I see what the general public thinks about it.
 
I love that video, I've watched it so many times. I'm such a ****e for Zero Suit Samus.

:(
 
She probably needs a lot more polygons then any of the other characters...... curvy. :(
 
I'm not underwhelmed at all.There were a few games that totally impressed me.Nintendo seems to know what they are doing and everyone that has used the wiimote at E3 has enjoyed it.I'm not a big Sony fan at all but the new MGS game looks great and there also will be Tekken 6 which I know will look great.

I don't know why some here are saying the graphics are horrible when the games are'nt even finished at this time.Super Smash Bros.Brawl looks absolutely beautiful.I guess it's perspective because if I was a MGS fan and saw the new Ps3 offering I would favor that more than anything else because that's what fans do.Me and my friends are SSBM fans and as soon as we saw the SSBB game trailer we all crapped our pants.

To those that think the graphics are horrible.What have you been smoking and where can I get some?
 

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