Is anyone not excited about Spider-man in the MCU?

[starscream22]

One reason to not be excited: Tom Rothman is now head of Sony Pictures.

Um, yeah....

Like I said, yes to the cameos and meh to Sony's crap.

 

[samsnee]

Ugh. I wonder if Feige would have made the deal if he knew Rothman was coming on board. I can definitely see a poisoning of the well here.

 

[starscream22]

Ugh. I wonder if Feige would have made the deal if he knew Rothman was coming on board. I can definitely see a poisoning of the well here.

Something tells me that this whole "deal" was grudgingly accepted by Sony in the first place. Those stupid spinoffs that Sony still has plans for that Marvel has no part of are proof that they're a bunch of greedy idiots who still haven't learned anything other than to use Marvel's success to get a boost in favor.

But once Sony bounces back from their walk of shame they'll start showing their true inept ways again with Rothman leading them over the cliff!

 

[Arach Knight]

Something tells me that this whole "deal" was grudgingly accepted by Sony in the first place. Those stupid spinoffs that Sony still has plans for that Marvel has no part of are proof that they're a bunch of greedy idiots who still haven't learned anything other than to use Marvel's success to get a boost in favor.

But once Sony bounces back from their walk of shame they'll start showing their true inept ways again with Rothman leading them now.

Honestly, Marvel should have let Sony continue itsdownward spiral with the property. Had Sony faced a few more disappointments, investors would have pressured Sony into returning the rights to Marvel. The precedent is already set with Sony having sold off Ericsson and SOE just to buffer loses and stay liquid. Well, too bad Marvel wasn't a little more patient.

 

[DrCosmic]

^That would have been after Spider-Man had been driven into the ground and Infinity War had already passed. Marvel would have had to let Spidey sit even longer to get some of the stink off of his reputation. At that point teenagers wouldn't know a time when it wasn't Iron Man >>>>>>>>>>>>> Spider-Man.

Plus, fans kept calling for Spider-Man, Marvel Studios heeded the call. Plus Marvel Studios gets more money and positions themselves as superior to an "established" movie studio... it's a lot.

The reason I'm not excited is because other awesome characters who haven't seen the light of day before are being de-prioritized. They're basically undoing what allowed them to create this incredible MCU in the first place by putting the A-listers in front of the B-listers.

Sad. Understandable, even logical, but sad.

 

[Arach Knight]

I don't believe Marvel is getting more money out of this. I don't recall revenue sharing being part of the deal, and Sony still retains rights, production, revenues and distribution of solo Spider-Man films. Seems a bad move, business wise, for Marvel. However, the gesture certainky is nice for fans.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Marvel gets money in the sense that Spider-Man being in the MCU is a boost to both the value of their own films as well as Spider-Man's merchandize.

 

[GENERAL RAAM582]

Well Rothman is at Sony now, so this should be interesting...

 

[starscream22]

Marvel gets money in the sense that Spider-Man being in the MCU is a boost to both the value of their own films as well as Spider-Man's merchandize.

Agreed, they likely made a ton more from merchandising than Sony made from the box office. Plus I believe Marvel paid more than $200M to acquire Spidey's merch to begin with. Which unfortunately is something Marvel and Disney can't just ignore.

But since I have some idea on what's really going on here now, I'll just look forward to the MCU cameo's like I mentioned before. Sony may bounce back to making 8$00M on Spidey films due to Marvels help but I doubt it will be from my wallet till it's officially back in Marvel's hands.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

You also need to take into account that none of the Spider-man films have been as good/well received as TDK, which was basically lightning in a bottle.

Let's not re-write history. Spider-Man 2 was received as well as TDK. It shares the same 94% RT rating as TDK and is higher rated on Metacritic than TDK

 

[Flint Marko]

Let's not re-write history. Spider-Man 2 was received as well as TDK. It shares the same 94% RT rating as TDK and is higher rated on Metacritic than TDK

Did Spider-man 2 spark a cultural firestorm, gross over a billion dollars with no 3D prices, and snag an academy award for supporting actor? Are people still regularly talking about Spider-man 2 to this day, calling it the crown jewel of the genre, and wondering how anybody can follow up to Doctor Octopus' performance? Were Doctor Octopus t-shirts ever a thing, and did lines of his from the movie immediately become engrained into pop culture's lexicon? Is Spider-man 2 the sixth highest rated movie on IMDB.com?
The answer to all of these is no. I'm not sure why you are even trying to argue otherwise, and I know you won't respond per usual. Critical reception is one thing but I'm obviously talking both critical/audience reception and the wave of hype and attention TDK is still riding to this day. SM2 is largely beloved in circles like this but it means nothing to the average movie goer, especially when compared to TDK.

 

[Shikamaru]

^ Also, the Tomato meter represents the percentage amount of critics that gave the film a positive review. You can have two films that have the same rating but one is generally considered better.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Both were recieved incredibly well. TDK is considered the better of the two no question but it's incorrect to state that no Spider-Man movie has been as well received as TDK when one of them factually was

 

[Shikamaru]

TDK is considered the better of the two no question

it's ludicrous to state that no Spider-Man movie has been as well received as TDK when one of them factually was

Your first statement practically contradicts the second one, and confirms our point.

It's the general opinion that TDK is the far better film. It's not like pop culture has a difficult time deciding over the two like, for example, X2/DOFP or Avengers/Guardians/Winter Soldier, which would be the case if they were considered somewhat equal.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

The first sentence refers to audience and hypesters and those in the community.

The second refers to critical reception.

Both movies were received at the same level by critics and while SM2 isn't viewed as good as TDK by audiences it is closer than most.

 

[Flint Marko]

Both were recieved incredibly well. TDK is considered the better of the two no question but it's incorrect to state that no Spider-Man movie has been as well received as TDK when one of them factually was

Ratatouille is at a 96% on RT. Was that as well received as TDK? Is it close? No, it isn't.
We aren't talking about critical reception so why you are moving the goal posts and splitting hairs is ridiculous.
The only movie that is in the same league as TDK in terms of audience reception and crowd hype is the Avengers, everything else is in a different category.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Aggregators are worthless for all but the most vague and simplistic comparisons. Different times, different films with different tones and themes, oftentimes reviewed by different critics even. This all adds up to largely meaningless percentage scores that only serve to provide easy bragging rights for online fan discussion.

 

[Shikamaru]

The first sentence refers to audience and hypesters and those in the community.

The second refers to critical reception.

Both movies were received at the same level by critics and while SM2 isn't viewed as good as TDK by audiences it is closer than most.

I'll just repost this.

^ Also, the Tomato meter represents the percentage amount of critics that gave the film a positive review. You can have two films that have the same rating but one is generally considered better.

Recent case in point: Most of the TASM2 reviews leaned more towards "mixed" than outright positive, but were still counted as outright "positive", while most of the "negative" reviews were outright negative.

 

[Arach Knight]

Both movies were received at the same level by critics and while SM2 isn't viewed as good as TDK by audiences it is closer than most.

This claim is disproved by the fact that TDK earned Ledger an Oscar for best supporting actor, and is to date the only comicbook film with such a critical distinction. Furthermore, Rotten Tomatoes aggregates all available reviews and takes an average. The number of reviews may skew the results.

 

[oldmarvelfan]

despite the fact spidey is my all time favorite, the news didn't thrill me as much when I realized it was going to set phase 3 back a year or so. So not thrilled by that bit of news. I would prefer seeing him later rather than sooner.

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[Ragnaroknroll]

I cannot believe Marvel Studios is now connected to Tom Rothman. Of all people.

This deal is getting worse all the time.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Maybe Sony is working for WB and Fox to sabotage Marvel from the inside out.

 

[Froso]

I have to admit that when they announced it I screamed at me screen NOOOOOO. I am really done with the spiderman movies. I am still traumatized from the first ones and even though I liked the amazing Spiderman I think is time to just let the character on the side for a little while.

Also I cannot for the life if me see him as part of the avengers team. It just doesnt sit right with me. I'm ok with some interactions but I could never see him as an avenger.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

The only immediate good I can see out of this is that Marvel can use the Daily Bugle and J. Jonah Jameson (Bring J.K. Simmons back!!!) as part of their Civil War storyline and Ben Urich can now work for the Daily Bugle in the Daredevil series. It's probably too late to bring in Peter Parker for Civil War but perhaps they have a clever idea or two on how to do that. But as much as I think it's cool to finally be able to unite the Spider-Man and Avengers universes into one cohesive Marvel universe I agree that:

A) Spider-Man does not need to be an Avenger

and

B) I'm not that excited for a standalone Spider-Man film at the moment.

Let Spidey sit on the shelf for a while before he wears out his welcome. Slowly seed him into this awesome world building Marvel has been doing. I would have been happy to hear that Spider-Man was back in the fold and that Marvel had plans for him for Phase 4 but this feel a little forced. Honestly, if they were going to squeeze in another film for Phase 3 I would have preferred to have seen a Hulk or Sub-Mariner film. Hopefully my viewpoint on this will change once we get closer to the release date and the hype train begins.

As far as adding members to the Avengers roster - I want to see more of the classic lineup like Ant-Man, Wasp, Black Panther, Ms. Marvel, Hercules, Wonder Man, Black Knight, Mantis, Moondragon, etc. And I sure as heck don't want Spider-Man meaning I'm going to get less of Thor, Captain America and Iron Man.

 

[giveyourself12%]

I have to admit that when they announced it I screamed at me screen NOOOOOO.

Me too.

Also I cannot for the life if me see him as part of the avengers team. It just doesnt sit right with me.

Same here. It's so weird.