Is anyone not excited about Spider-man in the MCU?

[mace1]

R.I.P.D. MOVIE


Starring Ryan Reynolds.




Dark Horse Comics

* Nick Cruz (R.I.P.D.)

They got Ryan Reynolds to be the MAIN star in this movie instead of getting a Latino actor.

 

[Flint Marko]

You and Flint are largely responsible for this nonsense. From what I read, most people said they wanted to see Marvel use Miles Morales because we have already had five movies and two franchises starring Peter and there is little else that can be done with the character in yet another reboot. In other words, people just wanted to see something fresh.

I chimed in after you and Flint decried Miles Morales as not being the "definitive" Spider-Man, which itself was an asinine comment that did not contribute anything productive to the discussion. After outlining the futility in attempting to declare that there is only one Spider-Man, despite there being many versions of the character, you and others then began to cry about people only wanting Miles because he is Black.

Not a SINGLE person that said they desire to see Miles in the reboot ever mentioned wanting to see the character in the film because of his ethnicity. You and other posters assumed that the only reason people could want Miles is because he is Black, and you even went as far as to suggest that people should just ask for a Black Peter Parker, because what they "really" want is a Black Peter Parker. Mind you, NO ONE asked for that in this thread. You just postulated that this was what people really wanted.

If you are going to invite ignorance into the discussion, do not be surprised when people call out the close-minded nature of comments that focus on race. That's the problem with race baiters. No one was discussing race, but suddenly, you start complaining about Miles' ethnicity, and some other poster begins crying about Michael B. Jordan being cast as the Human Torch, even though this is the SPIDER-MAN thread.

Excuse me? I don't even know where to start here.
Saying that there is "little else to do with the character" is intellectually dishonest. Also, as I have pointed out dozens of times, Marvel is smart enough not to retread the same stories and hit all the same beats as the previous two movies, and, in truth, it won't be that hard to differentiate this franchise from the previous two. Anyone saying there's "little else to be done with the character" clearly has not read the fifty plus years worth of comic books starring Peter Parker and knows the endless amount of story potential the character has.
It is not asanine to say that Peter Parker is the definitive Spider-man when it is an undeniable fact. Please note how you, nor anyone else, have yet to put forth a single convincing argument disputing that. I don't care where you are, Portland, Anchorage, Shanghai, Berlin, the Congo, wherever, walk up to 100 people and ask them, "which one of these is Spider-man?"

Spoiler

100 out of 100 will say the one on the left. That's because Peter Parker is the one that made Spider-man arguably the most popular superhero worldwide, so it's more than safe to call that the "definitive Spider-man". I don't know how you can call that asinine when you have zero sensible counter-arguments, and no, posting up pictures of little kids wearing the Miles Morales suit don't count because for every one picture you could find of a child wearing that costume I could find a million kids wearing the red and blue.
Also, please point out out to me at any point in the conversation where I brought up race as an issue or "invited ignorance to the discussion"? Everything I have said, from top to bottom, holds up perfectly.

This is the key thing that people are failing to accept. The Spider-Miles concept is something only a handful of fanboys are clambering for. It's not gonna sell for the general public. Not by a longshot. Everyone knows Spidey as Peter Parker and I honestly doubt that's gonna change in the future either.

Exactly, Torch. Miles Morales is a character only loved by certain fanboys, Peter Parker is a character loved by millions worldwide.
Guess which one deserves to get the next reboot in the MCU? I'm all for a Miles movie in a decade or so, but don't jump the shark.
Probably the biggest reason why I know everything I am saying is correct is because Marvel is, without a doubt, going to use Peter Parker in the next movie, no question. They are the ones with the big ideas raking in billions of dollars because they know exactly how to handle their characters, and they are without a doubt smart enough to know to use Peter Parker.

 

[Arach Knight]

Saying that there is "little else to do with the character" is intellectually dishonest. Also, as I have pointed out dozens of times, Marvel is smart enough not to retread the same stories and hit all the same beats as the previous two movies, and, in truth, it won't be that hard to differentiate this franchise from the previous two. Anyone saying there's "little else to be done with the character" clearly has not read the fifty plus years worth of comic books starring Peter Parker and knows the endless amount of story potential the character has.

I didn't say that there is little else to do with the character. I said that the people in this thread who said they wanted to see Miles had stated that there is not much else to do with Peter. And not because there aren't other stories to be told, but because Marvel has already gone on record saying they are going right back to high school, which is an area we have seen twice before in Spider-Man films.

It is important to note that I never threw my lot in for Miles being the MCU choice. Clearly, my favoritism of Peter Parker can be seen in my screen name (the name given to Peter Parker by Todd McFarlane), the gif in my sig, the quote in my sig, and my avatar. I've also stated, twice now that I do not care for Miles Morales, as the character is depicted as being overly anxious and inept, despite being intellectually gifted and possessing a superior power set to Peter Parker (the venom strike and stealth mode are OP).

That said, none of that negates the validity of any of the other posters saying they'd rather see Miles instead of seeing a third franchise with Peter in high school. And the desire to see the such doesn't have to automatically be linked to any political correctness.

It is however wholly problematic for two (now three) individuals to come in making cries of "reverse racism" (Xtremelybaneful) or declaring that people just want Miles because he is Black (Shikamaru), or agreeing with the ignorance of those two sentiments (you, Flint). No one mentioned ethnicity until the three of you came in here and mucked things up. In fact, I was solely arguing that people have a right to define who Spider-Man is for themselves, just as every generation or two has defined their choice of mantle bearers.

It was Xtremelybaneful that lied and claimed that I chose Miles (I never did) because I wanted ethnic diversity (I never claimed this either). It was Shikamaru, going off of XB's lies that claimed that I and every other poster discussing the possibility of Miles just wanted a Black Spider-Man (also untrue). So yes, you three are to blame for all of the shenanigans going on in this thread.

I do agree with you on one point though, there is always more than can be done with Peter Parker. It is just too bad that most of it happened after his high school years. Peter was only in high school for the first 28 issues of The Amazing Spider-Man. Granted, those first 28 issues Peter faces off against Electro, Sandman, The Lizard, Doc Ock, Vulture and Kraven. So there is still a bit more gas in the tank for high school aged Peter.

 

[Kelly]

Utter pedantic entitled un-self aware fanboy nonsense right here. I see the martyr act from the FF threads is spreading.

how about we keep all opinions to the movies rather than what you think about other posters,,,shall we? because these kinds of post will only get you in trouble.

 

[Flint Marko]

I didn't say that there is little else to do with the character. I said that the people in this thread who said they wanted to see Miles had stated that there is not much else to do with Peter. And not because there aren't other stories to be told, but because Marvel has already gone on record saying they are going right back to high school, which is an area we have seen twice before in Spider-Man films.

It is important to note that I never threw my lot in for Miles being the MCU choice. Clearly, my favoritism of Peter Parker can be seen in my screen name (the name given to Peter Parker by Todd McFarlane), the gif in my sig, the quote in my sig, and my avatar. I've also stated, twice now that I do not care for Miles Morales, as the character is depicted as largely overly anxious and inept, despite being intellectually gifted and possessing a superior power set to Peter Parker (the venom strike and stealth mode are OP).

That said, none of that negates the validity of any of the other posters saying they'd rather see Miles instead of seeing a third franchise with Peter in high school. And the desire to see the such doesn't have to automatically be linked to any political correctness.

It is however wholly problematic for two (now three) individuals to come in making cries of "reverse racism" (Xtremelybaneful) or declaring that people just want Miles because he is Black (Shikamaru), or agreeing with the ignorance of those two sentiments (you, Flint). No one mentioned ethnicity until the three of you came in here and mucked things up. In fact, I was solely arguing that people have a right to define who Spider-Man is for themselves, just as every generation or two has defined their choice of mantle bearers.

It was Xtremelybaneful that lied and claimed that I chose Miles (I never did) because I wanted ethnic diversity (I never claimed this either). It was Shikamaru, going off of XB's lies that claimed that I and every other poster discussing the possibility of Miles just wanted a Black Spider-Man (also untrue). So yes, you three are to blame for all of the shenanigans going on in this thread.

I do agree with you on one point though, there is always more than can be done with Peter Parker. It is just too bad that most of it happened after his high school years. Peter was only in high school for the first 28 issues of The Amazing Spider-Man. Granted, those first 28 issues Peter faces off against Electro, Sandman, The Lizard, Doc Ock, Vulture and Kraven. So there is still a bit more gas in the tank for high school aged Peter.

Dude, you've been arguing for Miles as a valid replacement for several pages now and even gone so far as to say there is "no definitive version of Spider-man".
You're wrong, it is Peter Parker, thats the main point I am trying to get across. You disagreed with that before, and now it appears that you are dodging it. Miles is not a suitable replacement, people can believe or think what they want, but at the end of the day we are going to get another Peter Parker movie because that is how it should be. It's weird how you've been arguing the opposite of that, so it would make sense that I grouped you in with the people wanting Miles.
Also, all I did was agree with a post that made sense to me and brought up a lot of good points as a response to one of your posts. I fail to see how that's bringing in any nonsense, or why you would bring my name into this when I've been relatively uninvolved in the discussion.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Anyone else feel this way?

Not I.

And we're still getting BP, and Captain Marvel. No films were canceled in the wake of this announcement, just reshuffled a bit. I think people are making way too big a deal about Spidey crowding out lesser properties, personally.

And no Morales, thanks.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

I'm excited about this for sure. Sony has not been producing good movies featuring Spider-Man for quite a while. Coming to Marvel opens up a lot of possibilities for the character and a reboot is a good thing here. Not to mention Marvel's consistent track record with their films would suggest there's brighter days ahead for the webslinger. Nothing is certain though--however I'd much rather have Spidey in the capable hands of Marvel over another Arad/Tolmach production.

And I'm also on board the 'NO Miles' train. At least give us some good Peter Parker films again before bringing in an alternate.

 

[mace1]

Is there topic about legacy characters on this forum?
There should be poll,who like legacy characters or not.
That could lead into another and wider discussion on it's own.
Greeen lantern,nova,batgirl etc.. etc..

 

[OcStat]

Peter has had 5 movies, but I strongly disagree that we have seen everything there is to see with that character. Especially since each movie so far has dropped the ball in one way or another.

I really don't think the majority are clamoring for a film about Miles. Besides, one of the big demands seems to be not to retell the origin.

How do you introduce a brand new character as THE Spider-Man without an origin?

 

[mace1]

This discussion has lead me to look and find what some folks think about legacy characters and that's another interesting chat.

Why Do Marvel and DC Love Legacy Characters? - alliterator - Kinja



Why do some people hate on legacy characters?

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/206-comics-and-graphic-novels/63747896

 

[Arach Knight]

Dude, you've been arguing for Miles as a valid replacement for several pages nowo it would make sense that I grouped you in with the people wanting Miles.

I DARE you to find a SINGLE post where I ever directly or implicitly stated that;

- I prefer Miles to Peter
- Miles should replace Peter in the movie
- Miles is a "valid replacement"

While you look for that post, you'll likely encounter the long line of individuals whom happen to be waiting for HELL to freeze over.

All I EVER argued was that Miles is a valid Spider-Man, because the mantle of a superhero can be carried by more than the progenitor of said mantle. Pages ago, I gave examples about the Green Lantern, Flash and Spider-Man himself, all having other people don the mantle. And for that reason, no one should say there is a definitive version of the character. A classic version? Yes. A popular version? Yes. But definitive? Such a position is inherently implausible by virtue of there being more than one bearer of the mantle in question. You have no authority or even sound argument to propose that people who prefer a particular version of a character are some how fans of an illegitimate version, and that is where I took grievance, several pages ago.

popular =/= definitive
legacy =/= definitive

I have had the SAME argument the entire time. You, Shikamaru and Xtremelybaneful keep arguing a number of irrelevant points that have ZERO to do with what I was initially rebutting. That you are concerned with ethnicity (I am not), or legacy (I am not) or popularity (I am not), has nothing to do with my argument. Your decision to conflate my argument with your own feelings is your own choice, but don't sit here and tell bold lies about me in the process. Keep your sentiments. Drop the lies.

 

[Arach Knight]

R.I.P.D. MOVIE


Starring Ryan Reynolds.




Dark Horse Comics

* Nick Cruz (R.I.P.D.)

They got Ryan Reynolds to be the MAIN star in this movie instead of getting a Latino actor.

Thank you for another example about non-White comicbook characters being replaced by White actors.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

 

[Flint Marko]

I DARE you to find a SINGLE post where I ever directly or implicitly stated that;

- I prefer Miles to Peter
- Miles should replace Peter in the movie
- Miles is a "valid replacement"

While you look for that post, you'll likely encounter the long line of individuals whom happen to be waiting for HELL to freeze over.

Up until now, you have not made it clear that you don't in fact support what it is you are arguing for. So... yeah, that one's kinda on you.

All I EVER argued was that Miles is a valid Spider-Man, because the mantle of a superhero can be carried by more than the progenitor of said mantle. Pages ago, I gave examples about the Green Lantern, Flash and Spider-Man himself, all having other people don the mantle. And for that reason, no one should say there is a definitive version of the character. A classic version? Yes. A popular version? Yes. But definitive? Such a position is inherently implausible by virtue of there being more than one bearer of the mantle in question. You have no authority or even sound argument to propose that people who prefer a particular version of a character are some how fans of an illegitimate version, and that is where I took grievance, several pages ago.

popular =/= definitive
legacy =/= definitive

So the next Batman movie should star Dick Grayson right out of the gate and people shouldn't be upset because "there is no definitive Batman". The next Superman movie should have Superboy Prime taking up the mantle, because hey, who's to say Clark Kent is the only Superman?
See how ridiculous that argument is? There are definitive takes of the character whether you like it or not, and Peter Parker is that take. If you want to continue arguing otherwise that's fine, but good luck finding anyone who will agree with you.

I have had the SAME argument the entire time. You, Shikamaru and Xtremelybaneful keep arguing a number of irrelevant points that have ZERO to do with what I was initially rebutting. That you are concerned with ethnicity (I am not), or legacy (I am not) or popularity (I am not), has nothing to do with my argument. Your decision to conflate my argument with your own feelings is your own choice, but don't sit here and tell bold lies about me in the process. Keep your sentiments. Drop the lies.

Again, I have been relatively uninvolved in the discussion so I find it odd that you are singling me out. I really don't see any post of mine in this discussion that has changed arguments or derailed the conversation.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

It has nothing to do with what I think. You initially claimed that no one changes the ethnicity of non-White comicbook characters. I then give you a list of non-White comicbook characters that had their ethnicity changed to White. Aside from your offering excuses about a couple of those changes, you retreated to specifying that no one would ever change Lucius, which is itself an unknowable claim, inherently making it fallacious and weak. How could you know with any certainty that Lucius Fox would not one day be rewritten as another ethnicity? Logically speaking, it is impossible for you to know that information, in the literal sense of impossible.

Next, Liam Neeson is White and Irish. His portrayal of R'as Al Ghul was accomplished with the same neutral accented voice that Neeson applies to all of his roles (Aslan, Zeus, Bryan Mills). Aside from the character being named R'as, and Bruce being captured in an odd take on the Lazarus pit in a Middle-Eastern nation, there is no direct claim in the film that R'as Al Ghul is an Arabic figure. And if he is, then Neeson's accent does no favors to impress upon anyone that the character is supposed to be an Arab from the era of the Ottoman Empire. In sum, he wasn't portrayed as Arab.

Lastly, I already listed Chapel and R'as Al Ghul, both of whom are prominent characters belonging to non-White ethnic groups. Both characters were not portrayed as their original ethnicity. But if those two do not fit your criteria, then try Speed Racer. Yes, Speed Racer, the Japanese manga character that was recently portrayed by Emile Hirsch, a White guy. Speaking of White people and Japanese comicbook characters, you also have Dragon Ball Z, which also has a White actor playing the lead role of a character that is meant to look Asian. It is safe to assert that Son Goku is a major comicbook character.

you got some attitude man, just looking at how you've started or responded in arguments to other people in this thread. it's impossible for anyone to know the future like this. but it's very very improbable that they'll change lucius fox's ethnicity in a batman iteration. they won't do it. And speaking for myself, I don't need any direct claim that ra's was arabian in the batman trilogy. what I saw in dkr is enough for me, I ain't gonna dwell on it coz i'm not losing sleep debating to myself whether ra's was meant to be arab or not. as for speed racer and goku, there's people that argue goku isn't asian either but either way, those movies have gone through the crucible in hate, especially dbevolution.

 

[Arach Knight]

And speaking for myself, I don't need any direct claim that ra's was arabian in the batman trilogy. what I saw in dkr is enough for me, I ain't gonna dwell on it coz i'm not losing sleep debating to myself whether ra's was meant to be arab or not.

No, you just seem to lose sleep over your assumption that only White characters are subject to race bending, and when faced with ample evidence to counter your erroneous claim, you retreat to the rhetoric above. So either you care more about ethnicity than is proposed hy your current post, or your initial posts about Lucius Fox were disgenuine.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

No, you just seem to lose sleep over your assumption that only White characters are subject to race bending, and when faced with ample evidence to counter your erroneous claim, you retreat to the rhetoric above. So either you care more about ethnicity than is proposed hy your current post, or your initial posts about Lucius Fox were disgenuine.

I don't lose sleep over any of this stuff... you seem to like picking arguments with people you don't know

 

[giveyourself12%]

Don't get me wrong, this is great news overall. And I trust MCU wouldn't be stupid enough to do a deal that would give Sony complete control, no matter what the press release says. And hopefully Avi Arad got booted to the curb.

But the great thing about not having the rights to Spider-man, X-men, or even FF was that it force Marvel to develop its lesser properties. And it looked like we are finally getting that with BP and Captain Marvel in the works. But as soon as they get Spider-man back, now they get pushed back.

I personally would rather see someone and something new and different. like Black Panther or Captain Marvel. I, and am guessing the general audience as well, doesn't care to see ANOTHER origin story. ANOTHER fight with Green Goblin, even if the fans say he hasn't been faithfully realized before. ANOTHER third act where Spider-man has to save Gwen, or Mary Jane, or whoever else this time.

Anyone else feel this way?

I just found this post and agree 100%.

 

[NealKenneth]

I DARE you to find a SINGLE post where I ever directly or implicitly stated that;

- I prefer Miles to Peter
- Miles should replace Peter in the movie
- Miles is a "valid replacement"

While you look for that post, you'll likely encounter the long line of individuals whom happen to be waiting for HELL to freeze over.

All I EVER argued was that Miles is a valid Spider-Man, because the mantle of a superhero can be carried by more than the progenitor of said mantle. Pages ago, I gave examples about the Green Lantern, Flash and Spider-Man himself, all having other people don the mantle. And for that reason, no one should say there is a definitive version of the character. A classic version? Yes. A popular version? Yes. But definitive? Such a position is inherently implausible by virtue of there being more than one bearer of the mantle in question. You have no authority or even sound argument to propose that people who prefer a particular version of a character are some how fans of an illegitimate version, and that is where I took grievance, several pages ago.

popular =/= definitive
legacy =/= definitive

I have had the SAME argument the entire time. You, Shikamaru and Xtremelybaneful keep arguing a number of irrelevant points that have ZERO to do with what I was initially rebutting. That you are concerned with ethnicity (I am not), or legacy (I am not) or popularity (I am not), has nothing to do with my argument. Your decision to conflate my argument with your own feelings is your own choice, but don't sit here and tell bold lies about me in the process. Keep your sentiments. Drop the lies.

Up until now, you have not made it clear that you don't in fact support what it is you are arguing for. So... yeah, that one's kinda on you.

In all fairness, Arach Knight did actually make this clear earlier in the thread.

There are people out there who stand on the outside of our interests, who haven't read a thousand comic books or hit every midnight release, who applaud loudly when Marvel makes Thor a woman or Captain America black or Colossus gay. They talk about how it's breaking down barriers or say things like "Welcome to the 21st century" as though these sort of things are automatically an improvement. If you even think about expressing frustration over a pointless change to one of your favorite characters, you'll be called racist, sexist, homophobic, whatever.

They don't understand that THEY are the ones who are prejudiced. If being a minority or transgender suddenly makes you care about a superhero, than you haven't valued the content of their character. You've judged them by things they can't control.

All the people who made fun of fans who were upset because Johnny and Sue Storm apparently have different moms now would go absolutely insane if a white person was cast as Black Panther.

To be clear, I'm not accusing Arach Knight of wanting Miles to be in the MCU for that reason but, the truth is, his only chance of getting there would be due to that sort of thinking

1) Stop spreading lies about me. I never once said Miles should be the lead version of Spider-Man in the MCU. I only argued that declaring any version of a character to be illegitimate is poor reasoning, for the myriad of reasons I have already addressed in previous posts. I did however state that I am NOT a fan of Miles Morales, highlighting that my position is objective rather than biased. Miles annoys me, but my preference has nothing to do with the objectivity of Miles in fact being Spider-Man.

On the other hand, Arach, it's time to drop the dramatics. Quit accusing people of "spreading lies" about you. It was reasonable for Flint to just assume you were a fan of Miles instead of going back and treading through all the pages of this debate to find your specific stance on Miles when you've said yourself that it has no impact on the debate itself.

I particularly resent that you accused me of this despite literally quoting the sentence where I made it clear that I was NOT accusing you of this type of thinking.

To be clear, I'm not accusing Arach Knight of wanting Miles to be in the MCU for that reason but, the truth is, his only chance of getting there would be due to that sort of thinking.

Look, everyone here knows that Miles is also Spider-Man, but Peter Parker is the definitive Spider-Man, and it would take decades for Miles to match his current prominence. Citing other alternate Spider-Men like the Japanese version or Ben Reilly to support your claim is a mistake because they actually demonstrate that other Spider-Men have come and gone while Peter remains. This could easily happen to Miles by 2020.

I don't care why you or other comic fans may or may not want Miles to be the focus of the solo film because it does not matter.

Miles readership is miniscule compared to the millions upon millions of people who have read and watched Peter Parker as Spider-Man over the past fifty years. If Marvel Studios chose to feature him as the Spider-Man of the MCU, it would not be to appeal to this tiny readership. It would be an attempt to appeal to black customers and get them a guaranteed boost in support and coverage from the press (who love for things to be politically correct), plain and simple.

It would have absolutely nothing to do with his character, expect for the color of his skin.

 

[Arach Knight]

Up until now, you have not made it clear that you don't in fact support what it is you are arguing for. So... yeah, that one's kinda on you.

So the next Batman movie should star Dick Grayson right out of the gate and people shouldn't be upset because "there is no definitive Batman". The next Superman movie should have Superboy Prime taking up the mantle, because hey, who's to say Clark Kent is the only Superman? See how ridiculous that argument is?

I have stated and restated my position and argument more times than is necessary. I stated my position on "definitive" characters. I made my initial response to Grabe30 (I believe that is his screenname), and several racebaiters jumped into the conversation to complain about Miles being Black and about Michael B. Jordan being the Human Torch. My point has been clear and consistent. Other posters came and started quoting me and arguing points I didn't introduce or care about.

For the record, I'd be fine with Dick Grayson as Batman or Kon-El as Superman. Incidentally, your post suggests that you don't read Batman comics, because Dick already took the mantle from 2009 until Flashpoint launched the New 52. And part of the that run was with Batman Inc., in which both Dick and Bruce bore the mantle of Batman. So yes, I'd be okay because it already happened in the comics. Heck, I'd be fine with a Spawn film starring Jim Downing instead of Al Simmons.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

racebaiters

Is this crap really necessary?

 

[Loki882]

What, you expect comic book fans being mature and open to new things? You haven't been around here very long have you?

 

[Loki882]

In all fairness, Arach Knight did actually make this clear earlier in the thread.On the other hand, Arach, it's time to drop the dramatics. Quit accusing people of "spreading lies" about you. It was reasonable for Flint to just assume you were a fan of Miles instead of going back and treading through all the pages of this debate to find your specific stance on Miles when you've said yourself that it has no impact on the debate itself.

I particularly resent that you accused me of this despite literally quoting the sentence where I made it clear that I was NOT accusing you of this type of thinking.Look, everyone here knows that Miles is also Spider-Man, but Peter Parker is the definitive Spider-Man, and it would take decades for Miles to match his current prominence. Citing other alternate Spider-Men like the Japanese version or Ben Reilly to support your claim is a mistake because they actually demonstrate that other Spider-Men have come and gone while Peter remains. This could easily happen to Miles by 2020.

I don't care why you or other comic fans may or may not want Miles to be the focus of the solo film because it does not matter.

Miles readership is miniscule compared to the millions upon millions of people who have read and watched Peter Parker as Spider-Man over the past fifty years. If Marvel Studios chose to feature him as the Spider-Man of the MCU, it would not be to appeal to this tiny readership. It would be an attempt to appeal to black customers and get them a guaranteed boost in support and coverage from the press (who love for things to be politically correct), plain and simple.

It would have absolutely nothing to do with his character, expect for the color of his skin.

Or because they think that it'd make for the best story. "Plain and simple" nope that's not how it works dude. Unless you're a Marvel executive, or psychic, then you cannot possibly know for sure what they're motivations would be. So stop trying to push your own opinions as hard fact, because they're NOT the same thing, plain and simple.

Oh and as for Marvel caring about "miniscule readership," GOTG and Ant-Man say hello.

 

[Arach Knight]

I don't lose sleep over any of this stuff... you seem to like picking arguments with people you don't know

I responded specifically to Grabe30 about his grievance with people "always" bringing up Miles and how Miles isn't *THE* Spider-Man. I then stated that Miles is Spider-Man in the Ultimate universe, to which Grabe30 modified his objection, asserting that the "Ultimate universe is stupid." His or her response may have been juvenile, but I can't fault then for disliking a comic universe. So I left it alone. Then Flint started arguing with me about "definitive Spider-Man", then Shikamaru chimed in with racebaiting, complaining about how people just want a Black Peter Parker. Shikamaru then accused me of wanting an MCU Miles Morales because I secretly wanted a Black Peter Parker (I never said this). To Shikamaru's credit, they did say they would be okay with a Black Peter Parker, but they still complained about perceiced political correctness.

Then, you throw in your two cents about how Lucius Fox would never be rewritten as White and how "only" White characters get rewritten in comicbook movies (which is false).

So at what point am I picking fights when it is you and several other posters responding to me, lying on me, and insitigating arguments with racebrating?

 

[Loki882]

This argument is pointless as Marvel has proven that they're more than willing to pull stuff from the UU for their films. For example, last time I checked, Nick Fury is a goateed Samuel L. Jackson instead of a grizzled White WWII-vet who smokes a cigar.