Is anyone not excited about Spider-man in the MCU?

[PyroChamber]

forget what?

A lot. I mean the movie comes out a couple of months after AOU and we haven't heard much news about it lately especially now with Spider-Man now taking part in the MCU. It would just suck that with all they're doing right now Ant-Man is getting the least attention.

 

[Daedalus]

I just hope this whole deal doesn't take too much attention away from everything else they have in the works like Black Panther, Captain Marvel, Doctor Strange, etc.

Because I mentioned in another thread that this may have made people completely forget about Ant-Man.

It will obviously draw more attention than any of those properties, because Spider-Man is a much more popular character. Captain Marvel and Black Panther will not get done in years, and Ant-Man never had that much excitement surrounding it. To sell it to everyone is the marketing department`s job, and that`s only after Avengers 2 gets released.

This Spider-Man news was a genius move by Marvel: not only does it get people excited for AOU, but also blows off steam from BvS. Civil War is probably more anticipated now than its direct competitor from the same year.

 

[The Guard]

I'm a bit flabbergasted that there are actually people who think nothing new can be done with Peter Parker beyond "high school" and "the first few years of college".

Wow.

 

[Human Torch]

A lot. I mean the movie comes out a couple of months after AOU and we haven't heard much news about it lately especially now with Spider-Man now taking part in the MCU. It would just suck that with all they're doing right now Ant-Man is getting the least attention.

I honestly think a Spidey post credit tease would best suit the Ant Man movie. Firstly,since they're both insects.t: Second,it would give Ant Man a much needed boost with disgruntled Pym and Wright fans. After all, lets face it,AOU has me for at least 4 viewings,regardless of Spidey content or not.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

wasn't antman supposed to be the first phase 3 film? how did it end up being crammed into phase 2?

 

[Daedalus]

I honestly think a Spidey post credit tease would best suit the Ant Man movie. Firstly,since they're both insects.t: Second,it would give Ant Man a much needed boost with disgruntled Pym and Wright fans. After all, lets face it,AOU has me for at least 4 viewings,regardless of Spidey content or not.

It is a good business play. I can also see they putting the Spidey tease in AOU to increase hype for Civil War (Feige seems determined to make it triumph over BvS), since more people will see AOU.

Also, spiders are not insects, but I see your point.

wasn't antman supposed to be the first phase 3 film? how did it end up being crammed into phase 2?

Antman will be the first Phase 3 film. Phase 3 starts after AOU. At least I think that`s it.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Antman will be the first Phase 3 film. Phase 3 starts after AOU. At least I think that`s it.

na man, that's what I thought before I heard antman is releasing this same year with av2. it's the last film in phase 2 and i'm feeling like they crammed in it and originally had it being what you said; the beginning of phase 3.

 

[Arach Knight]

I just hope this whole deal doesn't take too much attention away from everything else they have in the works like Black Panther, Captain Marvel, Doctor Strange, etc.

Because I mentioned in another thread that this may have made people completely forget about Ant-Man.

I doubt that it will. At this point, audiences have bought into the shared universe concept. Every B list character Marvel has pushed out has been a success because audiences want to see how each narrative ties into the next Avengers film. Each solo film may not have equivalent draw, but they have all (thus far), put butts in seats.

 

[Human Torch]

Also, spiders are not insects, but I see your point.

No one can take a joke these days.

 

[Raphi]

Spider-Man is my favourite superhero and he's (probably) finally free from years of abuse, so uh I'm pretty damn excited.

I'm fairly confident that they can make the definitive Spider-Man film, even with Sony still in there. Especially now that the expectations are high.

I mean, my interest in the MCU just skyrocketed. I've been going on for ages about how the MCU is overrated (it's good, don't get me wrong, but overrated), and while I doubt Spidey being in there will change my mind, it will definitely help and fill this huge hole that's been there for years. There'll actually be a character in this universe that I really care about now.

 

[Daedalus]

na man, that's what I thought before I heard antman is releasing this same year with av2. it's the last film in phase 2 and i'm feeling like they crammed in it and originally had it being what you said; the beginning of phase 3.

You`re right, my mistake. Well, if they did change, it could be due to any of the following:

(a) Phase 2 was one film short compared to Phase 1. Since Phase 3 is already bloated as it is, transferring it to Phase 2 would make more sense in Home-Video sales. Phase 2 version of the suitcase should be released around Civil War, and that could boost the sales.

(b) They are not very confident on the product. It`s an origin story, it`s not the fans` favorite incarnation, and nobody else has heard of it. News-wise, it might be better to kick-off Phase 3 with Civil War than with Ant-Man.

(c) It`s a storytelling device: they would want only post Civil War movies on Phase 3. Really don`t think this is the case.

I doubt that it will. At this point, audiences have bought into the shared universe concept. Every B list character Marvel has pushed out has been a success because audiences want to see how each narrative ties into the next Avengers film. Each solo film may not have equivalent draw, but they have all (thus far), put butts in seats.

While it is very much true that audiences have bought into the shared universe concept, Guardians` success is very much due to very good reviews and incredibly strong word-of-mouth. It might not repeat itself with Ant-Man

No one can take a joke these days.

I apologize. It`s already kind of difficult to tell what`s a joke in writing, and English is not my first language.

 

[Protar]

You`re right, my mistake. Well, if they did change, it could be due to any of the following:

(a) Phase 2 was one film short compared to Phase 1. Since Phase 3 is already bloated as it is, transferring it to Phase 2 would make more sense in Home-Video sales. Phase 2 version of the suitcase should be released around Civil War, and that could boost the sales.

(b) They are not very confident on the product. It`s an origin story, it`s not the fans` favorite incarnation, and nobody else has heard of it. News-wise, it might be better to kick-off Phase 3 with Civil War than with Ant-Man.

(c) It`s a storytelling device: they would want only post Civil War movies on Phase 3. Really don`t think this is the case.

I think it's a mixture of all 3. Although I really don't see why Ant-Man and AoU could not switch places if they didn't want Ant-man to start Phase 3. That would have been a better place for it imo, nestled securely between the success of Guardians and the (presumed) success of AoU. It also means they could have involved Pym in AoU.

 

[Arach Knight]

While it is very much true that audiences have bought into the shared universe concept, Guardians` success is very much due to very good reviews and incredibly strong word-of-mouth. It might not repeat itself with Ant-Man.

It is quite possible for Ant-Man to land with a resounding thud. I doubt it, but it is possible. I had low expectations for GOTG, not in terms of quality, but audience reception. The characters were unknown, it wasn't a superhero film and hard sci-fi seems to be struggling these days. But I was pleasantly surprised (and quite wrong). Because of that experience, I now trust Marvel Studios as a steward of even low-tier properties.

Marvel has been smart with budgeting. Aside from Avengers, most Marvel films are produced for $140-190 million. I imagine that Ant-Man will fall in line with that trend, and will therefore not be as risky as say Man of Steel, which was produced for $225 million.

Ant-Man has the benefit of following an established universe and audiences know that this film will fit into said universe. So even if the character himself is a low draw, the promise of his involvement with other heroes is still a minor advantage that could make audiences curious. All the film needs is to gross $300 million, which is quite plausible when considering previous efforts with low-tier characters. I suppose we will ultimately have to see in five months when the film releases.

If anything, Sony and Marvel could attach a Spider-Man teaser to Ant-Man and that could be sufficient for drawing people to the theater. But again, I don't feel that Ant-Man will have problems at the box office. Avengers comes first, Ant-Man gets a two month buffer, and it comes before The Fantastic Four. I suspect Ant-Man will ride the coat-tails of AOU.

 

[OcStat]

I think that Ant-Man before Avengers 2 would've been the way to go and might have been the case if Wright had stayed, and the film was still on track. The film's release date got shuffled around a bit. But Marvel loves to kick off the summer, and Avengers is obviously the movie to do that with.

Who's to say that Ant-Man doesn't belong in that spot though? Maybe narrative-wise it has some elements that bridge the gap between AoU and CW.

And yes, CW + Spider-Man I think will blow BvS out of the water.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

The first weekend in May is the best release date of the year. There was no chance Marvel would put Ant-Man over The Avengers on it.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

And yes, CW + Spider-Man I think will blow BvS out of the water.

I'm not so sure about that one.

 

[Arach Knight]

And yes, CW + Spider-Man I think will blow BvS out of the water.

I'm not so sure. Batman vs. Superman, if done right, would have the equivalent effect for DC that the Avengers had for Marvel. Batman is still the most popular superhero of all (based on the number of pages available in a Google query) and his draw pretty much trumps anything Marvel has put out with the exception of The Avengers and Iron Man 3.

And to be fair, crowd consensus is that TDKR would have beaten out the Avengers if not for the Aurora shooting. So out of 10 Marvel films thus far, The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises have out grossed eight of those films. The Man of Steel has out grossed half of Marvel's 10 films. And I mean this on an individual bases, not collectively. The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises have out grossed every Spider-Man film to date.

Putting both Batman and Superman in the same film will likely result in box office dominance. I am a hardcore Marvel fan (as evinced by my screen name), but the numbers don't lie. Unless BvS turns into a Green Lantern fiasco, I suspect that Warner Bros./DC will be unchallenged when they release Dawn of Justice.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

It depends on how big Spider-Man's role is. I'm sure I will get a lot of his fans chewing me out for this, but Superman is not anywhere near as popular these days as Spider-Man and Iron Man are. Batman, yes. Superman, no.

 

[Arach Knight]

It depends on how big Spider-Man's role is. I'm sure I will get a lot of his fans chewing me out for this, but Superman is not anywhere near as popular these days as Spider-Man and Iron Man are. Batman, yes. Superman, no.

No, you are correct. Batman and Superman used to be #1 and #2 respectively. Now, Superman is third to Spider-Man (by number of pages in a Google query). However, the draw for Dawn of Justice is that it will feature Batman, and Batman is more popular than either Superman or Spider-Man.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

You`re right, my mistake. Well, if they did change, it could be due to any of the following:

(a) Phase 2 was one film short compared to Phase 1. Since Phase 3 is already bloated as it is, transferring it to Phase 2 would make more sense in Home-Video sales. Phase 2 version of the suitcase should be released around Civil War, and that could boost the sales.

(b) They are not very confident on the product. It`s an origin story, it`s not the fans` favorite incarnation, and nobody else has heard of it. News-wise, it might be better to kick-off Phase 3 with Civil War than with Ant-Man.

(c) It`s a storytelling device: they would want only post Civil War movies on Phase 3. Really don`t think this is the case.

hm, I see. I thought maybe it had something to do with the disputes between the antman actor and marvel/disney. wasn't there some controversy going on about that a little while ago?

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

(b) They are not very confident on the product. It`s an origin story, it`s not the fans` favorite incarnation, and nobody else has heard of it. News-wise, it might be better to kick-off Phase 3 with Civil War than with Ant-Man.

I sometimes wonder where all those asses are where people pull stuff like this out off

 

[OcStat]

I don't think the old Batman films are anything to go off for BvS. Man of Steel seemed to have a pretty mixed reception, and Batman's casting was not exactly universally praised either. The movie has potential to be over stuffed considering on top of Batman and Luthor there will be Wonder Woman, Cyborg, and others making appearances.

Cap 3 will be going off of the high marks left by Winter Soldier and surely Age of Ultron, with not only Spider-Man debuting but RDJ's Iron Man.

Granted, both movies could potentially be bloated, but I personally have more confidence in the creative team that made Winter Soldier.

 

[Flint Marko]

(b) They are not very confident on the product. It`s an origin story, it`s not the fans` favorite incarnation, and nobody else has heard of it. News-wise, it might be better to kick-off Phase 3 with Civil War than with Ant-Man.

Since when has Marvel not been confident in Ant man? If you want an example of a studio displaying a lack of confidence look at 20th Century Fox and their FF adaption.

 

[Protar]

It does feel as though they're not being overly confident with Ant-man. Or maybe I'm just projecting. The change in director is bound to have shaken things up, it's a relatively obscure IP, and unlike Guardians it doesn't open up any huge new avenue for the MCU. Like personally I don't see a franchise in Ant-man. It feels like a one and done kind of thing, even if he continues to pop up in other MCU films.

 

[Daedalus]

I sometimes wonder where all those asses are where people pull stuff like this out off

Since when has Marvel not been confident in Ant man? If you want an example of a studio displaying a lack of confidence look at 20th Century Fox and their FF adaption.

Please reread the comment. I didn`t declare they didn`t have faith in the product. Someone wondered why Ant-Man had been reshuffled into Phase 2, I listed three different theories as to why. Didn`t say any of them were definitively true. It was just conjecturing.