Sequels Is Fox killing the X-Men

[Leo Zelinsky]

Anyone on here actually reading Inhumans Vs X-Men, cause so far it's pretty awesome.

It's OK until the inevitable Inhumans win at end twist I'm waiting on.

I keep seeing these complaints about X-Men comics (mostly form non modern readers), and it's almost always bs.

Xavier, Cyclops, Jean, Wolverine are dead I hate current X-Men (Only pulling Uncanny & Extraordinary)

 

[def28]

Xavier, Cyclops, Jean, Wolverine are dead I hate current X-Men (Only pulling Uncanny & Extraordinary)

Certain versions of those characters are dead. Most of those are still around.

Jean Grey and Iceman are getting their own solos and people still complain. I'm not a fan of a few of the books (I hate ANX) or choices myself but even when Marvel gives X-Men attention people still ***** or just make up excuses that Marvel isn't doing anything with X-Men.

 

[Limonade]

Anyone on here actually reading Inhumans Vs X-Men, cause so far it's pretty awesome.

I keep seeing these complaints about X-Men comics (mostly form non modern readers), and it's almost always bs. There has always been a slew of X-Men comics out there, Inhumans has never had the upprehend in sales, amount of comics or popularity. Quality in modern X-Men comics can be argued, but that argument can be made for all Marvel comics and personal preference. They have pretty much replaced every legacy character with someone else and that's caused a lot of frustration across the board.

But this whole notion of Inhumans actually replacing X-Men or being more of a priority in comics has always been proven false. Heck they are not even getting a film series now. This conspiracy has now been going on for years with certain fanboys yet there is still not one Inhumans character with a fanbase like Wolverine, Jean, Deadpool, Rogue, Storm etc. Marvel comics know this and by now that should be pretty obvious with any fan.

That's like saying, "there's no rain coming... people are saying it's going to rain!"

Even if we show the clouds that are approaching. You aren't going to budge because you say, "Those are not rain clouds."

This type of push... doesn't happen over night. This push is methodical, gradual, and it's persistent.

No one is saying Inhuman's are going to surmount the popularity of X-Men.

But I'm noticing key members in more recent MCU events are not Jean Grey or Beast, but rather Medusa or Blackbolt.

New Superheroes are no longer finding sanctuary in the X-Mansion but in the Inhuman's lair.

I personally don't care for the Inhumans... but I'm seeing them take more prominent positions in current comics that were originally a staple reserved for X-Men.

 

[def28]

There is a team literally made up of Avengers and X-Men. X-Men have had numerous books crossing with Avengers over the past 5 years.

There was this excuse that Marvel hated the F4 and would't use them either, yet who were the main characters in Secret Wars? And this was during the time when Fant4stic came out.

I have not seen any Inhuman books get the push that Marvel is doing for the next round of X books.

Marvel comics is killing X-Men by releasing more and more X-Men books! Great strategy.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

New Superheroes are no longer finding sanctuary in the X-Mansion but in the Inhuman's lair.

I personally don't care for the Inhumans... but I'm seeing them take more prominent positions in current comics that were originally a staple reserved for X-Men.

Marvel knows they can't convert the early 90's and older crowd but going forward Inhumans will replace X-Men for the 00's kids and after.

It's already happening in all other forms of media

 

[def28]

Will never happen. But stay in denial guys.

Inhumans isn't even a priority for Marvel films, which pretty much means no crossing over with the big guns. Meanwhile Deadpool is the character that is hitting the hardest with the younger gen and kids born last decade. Guess what Universe he's in? Lets use a little bit of common sense. Inhumans doesn't have **** on X-Men or Deadpool. Be it comics, film or pop culture in general.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Meanwhile Deadpool is the character that is hitting the hardest with the younger gen, and guess what Universe he's in? Lets use a little bit of common sense.

People born in 2000's aren't old enough to see his movie regardless.

X-Men is for an older crowd nowadays. Kid's like Marvel Proper. Idc I like both

 

[def28]

People born in 2000's aren't old enough to see his movie regardless.

Hahaha You have never been to youtube have you?

If you don't think kids are watching Deadpool you are just crazy dude, and if you think kids will choose Inhumans over Deadpool even more so.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

If you don't think kids are watching Deadpool you are just crazy dude, and if you think kids will choose Inhumans over Deadpool even more so.

I'm not going to turn this into Inhumans v X-Men outside of the comics discussion. Marvel has the Midas touch right now so we don't know how the fanbase would react to a Inhuman movie.


All I know is X-Men was Marvel's second biggest property after Spider-Man and that's no longer the case. Facts are facts

 

[Limonade]

Will never happen. But stay in denial guys.

Inhumans isn't even a priority for Marvel films, which pretty much means no crossing over with the big guns. Meanwhile Deadpool is the character that is hitting the hardest with the younger gen and gets born last decade. Guess what Universe he's in? Lets use a little bit of common sense.

Look, I didn't pick up the Avengers vs. X-Men that was released 2012. I don't know if by current you mean that there's a new line of AvX comics I haven't seen.

What I have picked up is the latest in Black Panther and Steve Rogers: Captain America and to some extent Civil War II.

In both CA and CWII, major players in those two more recent releases, are a mixture of Avengers, Inhumans, and brief cameos of X-Men here and there.

But then again... like Leo said, most Superheroes in Marvel:Now are completely different from 20 years ago. Bruce Banner is currently dead and Tony Stark might be dead too.

The landscape of Marvel, as it stands in January 2017, is really different from the AvX world in 2012. And the Inhumans are making their presence felt.

Keep in Mind: These stories also serve, from what I've seen, as possible movie material. Using the current MCU roster and mixing them together in stories that can be tweaked and improved over time, while the films themselves are being developed.

 

[def28]

Uncanny Avengers is a team made up of Avengers and X-Men. That drew from AvX.

I'm not going to turn this into Inhumans v X-Men outside of the comics discussion. Marvel has the Midas touch right now so we don't know how the fanbase would react to a Inhuman movie.

...and we never will because they are not getting a film. They are getting TV and an IMAX screening.

We know how the fanbase reacts to Inhumans and X-Men comics and there is plenty to go off of. X-Men characters sell ridiculously more. Because they have far more in regards to animation, films and pop culture in general.

 

[henzINNIT]

That's what happens in a series where they insist on developing the same few characters. They run out of things to do with their characters and so they are always regressing just to say that character has developed (see: Magneto: bad, good, bad, good).

Unfortunately for McAvoy, it's the second film in a row now where his Xavier is once again in the wrong.

I would say it's also the cost of the films being prequels, because each film has focused on set-up. Your Xavier example is a good one. He's had to learn to become Professor X in every film, and it becomes more contrived the more you do it. He was just about to be the character we love in First Class, then he was reset in DOFP. He learned a lesson though and was about to be Prof. X again until he's reset again for Apocalypse.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

We know how the fanbase reacts to Inhumans and X-Men comics and there is plenty to go off of. X-Men characters sell ridiculously more.

Says who?

December 2016

IvX #0 sold 84k and was #10 overall

Uncanny X-Men #15 sold 36k
Uncanny X-Men Annual sold 35k
Extraordinary X-Men #16 sold 35k

Uncanny Inhumans #15 sold 23k

They are doing better together than apart but for X-Men to be so much better and bigger than Inhumans it's not selling that much better when you look at it

 

[def28]

Says who?

December 2016

IvX #0 sold 84k and was #10 overall

Uncanny X-Men #15 sold 36k
Uncanny X-Men Annual sold 35k
Extraordinary X-Men #16 sold 35k

Uncanny Inhumans #15 sold 23k

They are doing better together than apart but for X-Men to be so much better and bigger than Inhumans it's not selling that much better when you look at it

Says the numbers from like forever.

Might wanna Look at those Death of X numbers as well. Then add the total of all X books compared to Inhumans. Let me know the difference. X-Men are boosting Inhuumans right now, not the other way around.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Says the numbers from like forever.

Might wanna Look at those Death of X numbers as well. Then add the total of all X books compared to Inhumans. Let me know the difference.

My point is who cares! X-Men being in the same sentence as Inhumans is proof of the decline.

Uncanny X-Men was #77 last month the mighty have fallen

 

[def28]

My point is who cares! X-Men being in the same sentence as Inhumans is proof of the decline.

Uncanny X-Men was #77 last month the mighty have fallen

Clearly you care, as you keep trying to come up with excuses.

UXM is no longer the main team flagship X-Men title. It's bit more akin to X-Force.

Marvel comics is having a tough time right now with everything. Unless you are Spider-Man or Star Wars you are gonna fall hard after #1.

 

[Reverse-Zoom]

X-men is a great franchise but singer ran the last one into the ground and his casting choices didn't sit well with fans and critics alike. Fox shouldn't have wasted the apocalypse character big freaking mistake on there part

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

UXM is no longer the flagship X-Men title. It's more akin to X-Force.

You keep coming up with excuses so I think you care.

Extraordinary sells worst than Uncanny anyways.

I'm not coming up with any excuses. X-Men doesn't sell like it use to. It's not a success that it's better than Inhumans that shouldn't be a question in the first place.

 

[def28]

Extraordinary sells worst than Uncanny anyways.

I'm not coming up with any excuses. X-Men doesn't sell like it use to. It's not a success that it's better than Inhumans that shouldn't be a question in the first place.

Barely anything does! You have to look at everything.

Doc Strange sells 32k. Daredevil 28k. Old Man Logan and Black Panther 35k. Spider-Man and Deapdool 42k. X-Men comics are in line and given the number of books they have are strong sellers for Marvel here.

Meanwhile Uncanny Inhumans is below all of those.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Doc Strange sells 32k. Daredevil 28k. Old Man Logan and Black Panther 35k. Spider-Man and Deapdool 42k. X-Men is in line and given the number of books they have are strong sellers here

X-Men should be = to Avengers & Justice League not Dr Strange and Daredevil

 

[def28]

X-Men should be = to Avengers & Justice League not Dr Strange and Daredevil

Avengers #1 sold 67k. Thats gonna fall. Spider-Man stays consistent but that's pretty much it.

I mentioned Marvels solid sellers. For todays time and sales X-Men does good, which is why there are still multiple titles.

 

[Limonade]

X-men is a great franchise but singer ran the last one into the ground and his casting choices didn't sit well with fans and critics alike. Fox shouldn't have wasted the apocalypse character big freaking mistake on there part

It's that 7 year clause, man.

I'm sure Fox would love to develop a quality X-Men movie that does Buku $$$.

They definitely have padded their slate with X-Men spin-off solo characters now.

Just how long can this type of spreading of characters go?

How many half-baked ideas are already in the development?

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

How many half-baked ideas are already in the development?

They can make over 100 X-Men movies (Solo/Team/Splinter)

 

[Reverse-Zoom]

It's that 7 year clause, man.

I'm sure Fox would love to develop a quality X-Men movie that does Buku $$$.

They definitely have padded their slate with X-Men spin-off solo characters now.

Just how long can this type of spreading of characters go?

How many half-baked ideas are already in the development?

If they went the genosha route or however it's spelled and mr sinister could bring a more comic accurate apocalypse back then they could make huge money. They need singer far away as possible and make better casting decisions. Psylocke was a barely talking stripper in the last movie like really singer really.

 

[Limonade]

They can make over 100 X-Men movies (Solo/Team/Splinter)

LOL. You know what? It would be cool to see a Colossus solo film or a few other main X-Men solo... But past Jubilee stand alone film? I think they're going to begin scraping the bottom of the barrel.

Fox could then do the "Marvel Way" and make a stand alone for each one and then make an ensemble team-up titled "X-Men" in a decade.