Sequels Is Fox killing the X-Men

[Leo Zelinsky]

Cyclops, Phoenix, Rogue, Storm, Shadowcat, Iceman, Colossus, Beast - this is already a good line up. Then they could include an older Nightcrawler and Gambit into the mix.

How much of the budget would they take up?

 

[psylockolussus]

None of the actors are that big or booking major movie roles. Thing is Fox could always negotiate with those actors and it would be beneficial for the actors themselves to take the role again without a salary raise.

We are only getting these spin offs since X3 in the first place because Fox wanted to make cheaper movies and that expectedly led to lower box office numbers for the series. They had a chance to fully bring back the Ot cast for a couple of movies again after Dofp but chose to do another prequel and here we are. The excitement for a X-Men sequel is suddenly quite non existent and its all about the spin offs.

We are never gonna see the X-Men evolve past 2023, if its gonna be just the X-Men stuck in the past from now on and I don't want that.

 

[Sithborg]

Or, you know, bad films can kill momentum. But no, no, keep up with your misguided beliefs.

 

[psylockolussus]

If we take the original poster's question literally, then yes, lol... with regards to Banshee, Emma Frost, Havok, etc.

I didn't like the way any of those three were written out.

Maybe one day, in a long time from now, they could finally join the X-Men.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Maybe one day, in a long time from now, they could finally join the X-Men.

You just want a team of like 30 X-Men don't you.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

None of the actors are that big or booking major movie roles.

I thought DoFP Halle Hugh Ian Patrick took up a whole lot of the budget

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

You just want a team of like 30 X-Men don't you.

30 man X-Men team could actually work


When X-Men go on missions some have to stay to protect the mansion & students

It would lessen the blow when fox gets blood thirsty killing heroes each movie

Some could stay and run the war room which would help keep professor x's op ass at the institute and outta the plot

lots more examples I'll think of after I wake n bake

 

[GuestStar2004]

None of the actors are that big or booking major movie roles. Thing is Fox could always negotiate with those actors and it would be beneficial for the actors themselves to take the role again without a salary raise.

But thats not how it works, actors unless they are generous to the project to take less will always try and get as much as they can for their worth, especially if they are returning to play a character they played a couple of times previously.

We are never gonna see the X-Men evolve past 2023, if its gonna be just the X-Men stuck in the past from now on and I don't want that.

What like Logan? isn't any films set 2023 now the past too?

 

[GuestStar2004]

30 man X-Men team could actually work


When X-Men go on missions some have to stay to protect the mansion & students

It would lessen the blow when fox gets blood thirsty killing heroes each movie

Some could stay and run the war room which would help keep professor x's op ass at the institute and outta the plot

lots more examples I'll think of after I wake n bake

that depends how many X-Men movies fox would squeeze out within 10 years to make 30 characters worth playing with.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

that depends how many X-Men movies fox would squeeze out withing 10 years to make 30 characters worth playing with.

Well honestly in my stupid head cannon the team would be split up at the first films end


Beast would be in prison for the entire trilogy after getting captured on team mission (Forge would take up tech)

Angel would be extradited to UK (Could start up The Excalibur based out of Worthington Manner)

Emma Frost & One male adult would move with half the students to goto Massachusetts Academy since Xavier's getting crowded

Half team would be in Cyclops X-Men films

Half team would be in Storm's X-Men show on Netflix called "Uncanny"

Just some Saturday morning rambling

 

[psylockolussus]

If people actually read the comics, like what Leo said, just split the team up. Like focus on Cyke's team in 1 movie then Storm's team in the next. If Fox becomes generous, Rogue maybe could also lead her own squad. The comics have been doing that since the 90s since they know they can't service 10 X-Men in just 1 book. And I doubt even if they use this approach, X-Men would be up to 30 active members. Members come and go and if they know what they are doing, the head count wouldn't reach to 30.

 

[GuestStar2004]

The comics have been doing that since the 90s since they know they can't service 10 X-Men in just 1 book.

But how often is each individual comic released compared to how movies are released?

 

[magneto23]

We are never gonna see the X-Men evolve past 2023, if its gonna be just the X-Men stuck in the past from now on and I don't want that.

Evolve? You mean transition from the A-team to the B-team? That's what it would be. Is getting Shadowcat, Colossus, Rouge, and Ice Man more important than Cyclops, Jean, and Storm? Not IMO. And it isn't even close. Only other solution is completely rebooting.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Evolve? You mean transition from the A-team to the B-team? That's what it would be. Is getting Shadowcat, Colossus, Rouge, and Ice Man more important than Cyclops, Jean, and Storm? Not IMO. And it isn't even close. Only other solution is completely rebooting.

That was what he wants reboot.now if fox continues with apocalypse cast and whichever fc cast they can get back,hopefully not lawrence,they have chance to do X-Men film with bigger parts for at least cyclops and jean who people used to say they didn't think got enough in the OT.

if they continue in past I believe it's only matter of time before wolverine is recast but with jackman possibly cameoing in Deadpool 2 or a deadpool/wolverine film that pushes that further down the road so people can have full X-Men films without wolverine.

Cyclops,jean,storm,and nightcrawler and poentially if next director wants to
use them poentially Psylocke and angel.Beast too is possibilty depending on can they get nicholas hoult back.Those are poentialy good lineup of characters right there.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Evolve? You mean transition from the A-team to the B-team?

We need to get out this way of thinking. Quicksilver & Blink were most popular in DoFP. Any X-Man done right could be great.

 

[magneto23]

We need to get out this way of thinking. Quicksilver & Blink were most popular in DoFP. Any X-Man done right could be great.

We don't need to "get out" this way of thinking. Not when we haven't truly had a REAL X-Men team movie. Why should the likes of Quicksilver and Blink be "done right" before the likes of a Cyclops or a Storm? This franchise has, for 17 years now, propped up the few instead of giving us a legitimate X-Men team. How about do the X-Men right? And make them great. Not the randoms. Classic X-Men characters.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

We don't need to "get out" this way of thinking. Not when we haven't truly had a REAL X-Men team movie. Why should the likes of Quicksilver and Blink be "done right" before the likes of a Cyclops or a Storm?

My point is while i love Cyclops & Storm... Iceman/Shadowcat/Colossus/Rogue/Gambit/Psylocke/etc aren't B List. They deserve as much screen time as Cyclops & Storm and just as much Real X-Men.


A movie with Rogue, Iceman, Northstar, Shadowcat, Psylocke, Bishop, Gambit could be just as good as a film starring Cyclops Phoenix & Storm.


Real X-Men are only nostalgia from when you first got into X-Men. There's over 100 X-Men idc who they show as long as it's not Wolverine, Xavier, Magneto, or Mystique.

 

[psylockolussus]

What in the world are Rogue, Colossus, Iceman, Kitty are b listers especially in the X-Men world? This just shows magneto23 is more of a fan of the newer cast than the X-Men themselves.

And I am pretty sure everyone agrees that Fox needs to develop Cyclops and Storm more. And lol at this idea that Rogue, Colossus,Kitty, Iceman, Gambit and Psylocke would just hinder the development of Cyke and Storm in a present day film,so they should just stay in the past. Like as if Apocalypse put so much effort developing those two.

 

[GuestStar2004]

What in the world are Rogue, Colossus, Iceman, Kitty are b listers especially in the X-Men world? This just shows magneto23 is more of a fan of the newer cast than the X-Men themselves.

You are no better with your views on the OC tbh.

 

[psylockolussus]

I thought DoFP Halle Hugh Ian Patrick took up a whole lot of the budget

And if you look at the roster that I listed. I left out Xavier, Magneto and Wolverine.

If Fox is smart enough when it comes to negotiationing, they could easily bring back certain actors without a big salary raise especially most of those actors are now doing TV.

We already got reports that they are still considering to bring back the cast that appeared in two underperforming films at the box office - First Class and Apocalypse. Why not give the other cast that have yet to appear in a X-Men film that underperformed at the box officeanother shot especially the characters they are portraying aren't stuck in the past.

If you look at it, its not really fair. They don't want to bring back the ot cast because apparently they are expensive and yet they are still the bigger draw of the series other than Deadpool. Then they would rather move forward with a fourth film with the cast that Already appeared in two underperforming films which couldn't even out gross the first X-Men film, and it's not like that cast won't demand for a raise especially Fassbender and JLaw who are also still head lining other films.

 

[psylockolussus]

My point is while i love Cyclops & Storm... Iceman/Shadowcat/Colossus/Rogue/Gambit/Psylocke/etc aren't B List. They deserve as much screen time as Cyclops & Storm and just as much Real X-Men.

A movie with Rogue, Iceman, Northstar, Shadowcat, Psylocke, Bishop, Gambit could be just as good as a film starring Cyclops Phoenix & Storm.

It is really up to the writers and the creative team.

Who knows X-Men '93 could just be about Xavier, Magneto, Mystique again with Phoenix having a bit more role just like in the previous films. Quicksilver already outshone Storm and Cyclops in Apocalypse so that already proved magneto23's logic of staying in the past would be more beneficial to Cyke/Storm wrong, any film could be set up in any different time period and Cyke/Storm would still end up as supporting characters if the writers don't give them enough material.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Who knows X-Men '93 could just be about Xavier, Magneto, Mystique again

 

[psylockolussus]

Waiting for someone to chime in and say "Fox wanted the film to be the end of a quadrilogy to the Fc cast, Cyclops and Storm were never supposed to be the focus and that's okay because Fox said so".

And

"No, they'll get it right in X-Men '03 and X-Men should just stay in the past. B listers like Rogue, Colossus would just eat up their screentime".

Lol.

 

[magneto23]

What in the world are Rogue, Colossus, Iceman, Kitty are b listers especially in the X-Men world? This just shows magneto23 is more of a fan of the newer cast than the X-Men themselves.

And I am pretty sure everyone agrees that Fox needs to develop Cyclops and Storm more. And lol at this idea that Rogue, Colossus,Kitty, Iceman, Gambit and Psylocke would just hinder the development of Cyke and Storm in a present day film,so they should just stay in the past. Like as if Apocalypse put so much effort developing those two.

Within the context of this series, yes they are the b-listers. If the series were to "evolve" beyond the 2023 "present day" setting then the likes of Paquin, Page, and Ashmore would be headlining. Correct? Or is the whole gang returning? No matter how unrealistic/delusional that is? And the new cast has an X-Men team now. The end of Apocalypse set that up quite clearly. Plenty of time to work with them. And for the record, Gambit and Rouge are my favorite X-Men. But I'm not ever going to let that distort my views on this film series. You need to have some realistic expectations. I don't care if those characters are not in the past. As long as a solid X-Men team is then it's all good. A present day cast is not going to work for a laundry list of reasons. only other option is reboot.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Within the context of this series, yes they are the b-listers.

Idc about continuity. There is none. There is no reason why can't recast Iceman Rogue Colossus etc as same age as Storm Cyclops etc.

None of it matters anymore why start caring now?