Sequels Is Fox killing the X-Men

[EnDz0n3]

Do you expect Cyclops, Storm, Jean and Quicksilver to do some wire fu? Coz that's the fighting style Mystique knows.

What does Mystique know about the use of Cyclops', Storm's, Jean's and Quicksilver's powers when her shapeshifting abilities doesn't allow her to adapt those powers?

Maybe we should get someone that knows how to train the X-men the use and control of their powers. I don't know, maybe someone who's trained Havok, Banshee, and Beast in the sub basement and the school grounds in the past.

 

[2kt09]

Do you expect Cyclops, Storm, Jean and Quicksilver to do some wire fu? Coz that's the fighting style Mystique knows.

Absolutely not. The only character that should is Kurt.
The rest of them should develop their own styles that best utilizes their powers.
And Quicksilver's way too OP to even warrant one.

 

[marvelrobbins]

assuming we get another full X-Men film anytime soon I will be fine without lawrence's mystique.and inless they are willing to go with magneto as full villain I am fine with break from magneto even though in my oporion fassbender is only one who so far matches counterpart from original trilogy.

Mcavoy is only one from first class cast who is essential to resign,and he is the one most willing to come back by all reports.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Its like saying "not everyone dislikes Jar Jar Binks, so why take him out of the next movie?" Like yeah, lets take into account the very very small minority, why not?!

A better example would be saying everyone hates the prequels, its easy to think that if you search around because many fans are loud about their opinions on them to the point where its like everyone hates them but there are many who grew up with the prequels that like them, they ain't loud about it and people these days are actually starting to realise they do exist and not everyone shares the same opinion

Anyway I've seen you say plenty of times that the OT was too Wolverine focused and X-Men movies shouldn't need him yet you insist on people that Magneto and Raven are imperative for the franchise going forward, even though people feel about them exactly how you felt about Wolverine.

That is true about wolverine to a certain degree but hey i still went to see Origins,The wolverine and il probably see Logan also, i have no issue with the character.

Magneto might have got that role for FC where it was very much his story just like Xavier had DOFP but Apocalypse didn't really have a focus and thats why there was so much going on.

Look i have nothing more to say about the magneto and raven thing, to me it makes about 80 to 85% sense that they would be in the next movie and the idea that anyone would refuse to bring fassbender back to explore abit more with maybe quicksilver or bring back mystique because of the relationship thats been set up over the last 3 movies is just a little unrealistic to me

I do think the new cast will get abit more of the focus though going forward, it makes sense to do that but i still think the elder characters will have a part in it.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Do you expect Cyclops, Storm, Jean and Quicksilver to do some wire fu? Coz that's the fighting style Mystique knows.

Well its much more then Xavier knows and i assume it helps to know how to not get your ass kicked by toad ;p

Maybe we should get someone that knows how to train the X-men the use and control of their powers. I don't know, maybe someone who's trained Havok, Banshee, and Beast in the sub basement and the school grounds in the past.

Xavier taught them how to control their powers yeah but you don't join the army, get shown how to use a gun and then sent to war the next day ;p

I assume the X-Men should know how to fight if they get into a scuffle

 

[GuestStar2004]

The rest of them should develop their own styles that best utilizes their powers.

Really it would be nice if cyclops could do abit more then stand and blast, i know they cut a fight in X2 with cyclops where he used some sticks to fight some guards or something but all we see was him blast 2 people and get knocked out.

I did like in FC where banshee had several uses of his powers, he could fly, he could obviously hurt people in some way with it and he also could be a sonar, i dunno whether cyclops could gain multiple advantages like that with his powers

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Really it would be nice if cyclops could do abit more then stand and blast

It'd be better if they got right that he doesn't need his hand to fire an optic blast for once!!!

 

[2kt09]

Really it would be nice if cyclops could do abit more then stand and blast, i know they cut a fight in X2 with cyclops where he used some sticks to fight some guards or something.

Instead he just blasts 2 people and gets knocked out.

The hand-hand should understandably be sparse, unless his opponent found a way to blind or depower him.
He should have a mirror that can reflect those blasts with him at all times.

 

[GuestStar2004]

The X1 and Apocalypse visors did have a setting for how big the blast was, thats an interesting idea that he can control that i suppose.

 

[GuestStar2004]

The hand-hand should understandably be sparse, unless his opponent found a way to blind or depower him.
He should have a mirror that can reflect those blasts with him at all times.

it certainly would help to give him more options in a fight.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Well its much more then Xavier knows and i assume it helps to know how to not get your ass kicked by toad ;p



Xavier taught them how to control their powers yeah but you don't join the army, get shown how to use a gun and then sent to war the next day ;p

I assume the X-Men should know how to fight if they get into a scuffle

So they should wire-fu their way around the Sentinels in that Danger Room sequence?

 

[GuestStar2004]

So they should wire-fu their way around the Sentinels in that Danger Room sequence?

Well if you want storm to fly she will definitely need a form wire-fu otherwise she isn't getting off the ground ;P

 

[EnDz0n3]

Well if you want storm to fly she will definitely need a form wire-fu otherwise she isn't getting off the ground ;P

I don't think you know what wire fu is lol

 

[GuestStar2004]

I don't think you know what wire fu is lol

I do but I thought if you was going to be silly about it i might as well be also.

She didn't actually do much "wire fu" in DOFP when she was fighting.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Storm's flying I hope is drastically improved. Along with Phoenix

 

[Frankeh]

Storm's flying I hope is drastically improved. Along with Phoenix

I think its a Singer issue. First of all, he is unimaginative with both Storm and Jean Grey period. Jean Grey could create force fields and levitate and Singer only has her lift a thing or two in his movies. His "Phoenix" power displays have been well done (like holding off the water in X2) but Jean should be able to do more without the Phoenix.

And second, the flying in FC (not directed by him) by Angel S and Banshee was better than any of the flying in his movies.

 

[EnDz0n3]

FC flying wasn't any better tbh. See Magneto levitating after killing Shaw, speaking with an Irish brogue.

I do but I thought if you was going to be silly about it i might as well be also.

"You was going to be silly about it?"

She didn't actually do much "wire fu" in DOFP when she was fighting.

Can you imagine Cyclops or Storm or Jean or Quicksilver doing the fight scene that Mystique did at Paris Peace Accords where she was warding off Trask's men? Jumping on tables and sliding on floors? And at the end of DOFP where she sort of drop kicks Magneto?

Neither does everyone else.

 

[Legion]

Jlaws had the most screen time in FC ironically, the one she wasn't famous at the time with.

The idea that if an actor becomes bigger fox will pressure them to be the main character is just so silly and misguided.

With that logic makes me wonder why mystique wasn't the one to take down apocalypse at the end rather then have no action and just sit out alot of that final battle, she is played by a big actress so mystique should have got up while everyone was weakening him and she could have took apocalypse down with Psylockes sword.

Wolverine never landed a single blow on Magneto out of all the films they appeared in together. Not even in DoFP when he was without his adamantium skeleton. He didn't get to take down any of the Sentinels either. There is no denying though that Wolverine was the lead in these films. He simply isn't the character that takes out the "big bads" in the films or the comics. He isn't a chosen one or prophesied hero either.

As EnDz0n3 mentioned Mystique still plays a big part in taking down Apocalypse. She even strikes what would have been a devastating blow if not for Apocalypse's healing abilities. There's just no way that I see Mystique abandoning Charles in First Class to training the X-Men 2 films later a natural progression.

Mystique even claims in Apocalypse that she and Hank had been wanting to form the X-Men for years. If you've watched the films then you'd know that Moira was the first to coin the term "X-Men" in First Class. In DoFP Logan asked Xavier to promise him that he would form the X-Men and seek out specifically Scott, Jean, and Storm. THEY ARE THE X-MEN! Mystique was apparently MIA between First Class and DoFP and then again between DoFP and Apocalypse. So when exactly were Mystique and Hank talking about forming the "X-Men"?

It seems obvious that the studio used Lawrence's stardom to their advantage or she asked for a bigger part. Mystique was just a henchmen in the original trilogy and now she is Xavier's sister, the savior of mutantkind, and the founder of the X-Men.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

It seems obvious that the studio used Lawrence's stardom to their advantage or she asked for a bigger part. Mystique was just a henchmen in the original trilogy and now she is Xavier's sister, the savior of mutantkind, and the founder of the X-Men.

 

[x-er]

^ but that stardom (and the raw talent that comes with it) was used wrong. they should have pushed Lawrence to make a badass villain out of Mystique. it would've really helped her repertoire as a blossoming actress.

My two cents, in DOFP, the X-Men should've been the ones to save the day and Mystique walk away a villain, like in the comic. Dunno why she had to be saved. It's Hollywood, not a Disney movie!

 

[x-er]

^ You know how people have that mindblowing "uh-duh" moment when they realize Magneto = Gandalf?

This could've been a Katniss = Mystique type of thing. But it's more of a "whatever" type of thing.

 

[GuestStar2004]

As EnDz0n3 mentioned Mystique still plays a big part in taking down Apocalypse. She even strikes what would have been a devastating blow if not for Apocalypse's healing abilities. There's just no way that I see Mystique abandoning Charles in First Class to training the X-Men 2 films later a natural progression.

Well what is a natural progress there? obviously they were likely taking into consideration the OT and the freedom they have to change direction after time travel.

I do get what they were going for, mystique was with magneto in the OT but in the new timeline she stays with xavier

Mystique even claims in Apocalypse that she and Hank had been wanting to form the X-Men for years. If you've watched the films then you'd know that Moira was the first to coin the term "X-Men" in First Class. In DoFP Logan asked Xavier to promise him that he would form the X-Men and seek out specifically Scott, Jean, and Storm. THEY ARE THE X-MEN! Mystique was apparently MIA between First Class and DoFP and then again between DoFP and Apocalypse. So when exactly were Mystique and Hank talking about forming the "X-Men"?

Yep and on the jet she says that the FC characters were the X-Men when she was telling the story which they didn't even call themselves. I don't think that was a butt kiss for Lawrence It was a slight retcon to say they were X-Men when they went to fight shaw and it's like a pass down to the next generation type deal here

It seems obvious that the studio used Lawrence's stardom to their advantage or she asked for a bigger part. Mystique was just a henchmen in the original trilogy and now she is Xavier's sister, the savior of mutantkind, and the founder of the X-Men.

Mystique become xavier a sister way before Jlaw become famous, this is something people forgot because there is so much paranoia behind it that no one in the creative team has any free will apparently.

Bryan singer himself said if he could choose anyone to get a spin off it would be mystique whether it's Jennifer Lawrence or not.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Can you imagine Cyclops or Storm or Jean or Quicksilver doing the fight scene that Mystique did at Paris Peace Accords where she was warding off Trask's men? Jumping on tables and sliding on floors? And at the end of DOFP where she sort of drop kicks Magneto

Or just basic self defence tactics that could be good?

 

[EnDz0n3]

Or just basic self defence tactics that could be good?

Something probably Beast can talk about but no, that's not his personality right?

Just let him stand in the back, while the mutant messiah is given the final word.

After 3 films, Beast has seen virtually no growth, no development, no arc.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Something probably Beast can talk about but no, that's not his personality right?

Just let him stand in the back, while the mutant messiah is given the final word.

After 3 films, Beast has seen virtually no growth, no development, no arc.

Beast knows self defence tactics? When did that happen? I know he is meant to be agile, strong and fast.

Infact Why are you moving onto beast now?