Is it true about the PS3 backwards compatibility?

[Zenien]

So you'd rather compromise great games looking uglier with having each and every single crap game in the PS and PS2 library? LOL.

With the conditions attached and the alledged firmware fix? You bet. And you'd be wrong to choice the other option. Maybe you should have read what you actually bolded, but ces't la vi...

Crapping on the PS3 because of it's extravagant price is a perfectly valid point and I know it causes you unbearable pain whenever someone bring it up (of course, why else would you be "responding" to me?)- right now, none of it's titles seem significantly superior to the 360's at least not enough to justify an extra 100-200 bucks (in fact, technically speaking a lot of them are inferior).

Hey we could have the conversation about lead SKUS and the difficulty in porting titles between the platforms as well as the devtool situation all you want man, it might go over your head even though I'm no expert. But then again this has nothing to do with the original arguement, it's just you trying to get in a cheap shot wherever possible.

Secondly, it can't even do the one thing people expected it would do completely right - backwards compatibility.

Right, but it plays them all, and as we know is supposedly a simple firmware fix! So easy! I would say that I don't know why you're acting like it isn't fixable and doesn't seem like a simple thing to be fixed, but everyone already knows the answer to that...
You are out to lunch, wow.

Just to reiterate something that's already passed in this thread...

Typical argument against PS3: "The PS3's backwards compatibility sucks"
Typical Zenien response: "The 360's is worse"

:

Yeah because
1 example = all
am i rite?

You're really reaching here. Keep your fanboy mentality in check will you. At least appear to be rational instead of a hater.

"Only a handful of titles working"? Yes, only in Zenien's bizarro land do 250 plus backwards title that includes almost every single hit game on the Xbox amount to "only a handful". You're really reaching now, sweetie.

Out of a couple thousand titles? 250 = a handful

And because I own some of the less popular games chances are they will never get up and running; or maybe they will a year from now? 6 more months? On top of what I've already waited? So really that leaves me with no choice but to keep my Xbox. That's hardly good BC now is it? So have fun, but PS3 BC such as it is > 360 BC, of course Nintendo's BC smokes them both.

Actually, this wouldn't have been such an issue if Sony ****es kept their trap shut about the 360's backwards compatibilty problems, in spite of knowing of the hardware complications in the console and not touting the PS3's "superior" backwards compatibility beforehand.

Yeah ok Sony gets in trouble for stating the truth, oh well. Oh wait...you called me a ****e?

Anyway, apples to oranges, each approach has a different set of advantages. I'd rather be playing my games and gettign that firmware fix, then waiting another 4-8 months for the next BC update that won't even include some of my games more then likely, which will hopefully be fixed up soon, knowing Sony's commitment to firmware updates.

Meanwhile here I am with my Xbox, shame I don't own barbie horse adventure. (Ohhh!)


You're sure making a lot of noise for something that's alledgedly going to be so simple to fix and such as it is is still a better solution then 360 BC considering I have no option but to keep my Xbox, unlike having the option of ditching the PS2.

Guess Sony really don't have a clue as to what they're doing when MS can get games looking better on a COMPLETELY different hardware using software emulation yet Sony can't do the same with their own hardware.

lol.

Ok. Sony has no clue what they're doing. I'm not going to tell you about the differences in variables between doing emulation and using the hardware since they're so obvious. But yet again, such a simple firmware fix, right? Compared to the uncessary screaming and yelling and temper tantruming that you're doing? Go take a time out.

 

[Zenien]

Expect Fenrir to enter the thread again with massive hate whilst he desperately grasps at anything in his illogically agressive hatred.

 

[Addendum]

But why buy a next-gen system to play last-gen's games?

 

[Roughneck]

This is disheartening....Maybe I will get a Wii after all.

 

[Zenien]

To be honest it's a bigger feature on paper (for buyers) then it is in practice. But unlike the Gamecube and Xbox, there are still good PS2 games worth owning scheduled for release well into 2007. For me, I'm still going to be pulling out PS2 games in my collection and playing them even after I own a PS3. There are a few titles that I absolutely love and will play and replay semi frequently, so for me, having all m,y titles work is important. I would rather be able to put the old PS2 into storage or sell it at EB to go towards my PS3 or a new game, then have it still around.

I live in a good apartment, but I'm not going to junk up the televison with a PS2, Wii, Xbox, 360 and PS3. Thank god the Wii is truely 100 percent BC so I could get the Gamecube out of there. Either that or I have all those systems put away somewhere and I take them out and set them up again, which would mean disconnecting my other systems which would be a pain. I'd much rather be able to play all my PS games on the PS3, all my Nintendo games on the Wii all my 360 games on my (dying) 360. Bonus on MS extending the warrantee on the 360's though that means I can send it in.

 

[Zenien]

Dp...

 

[Zenien]

This is disheartening....Maybe I will get a Wii after all.

Get both

Well hopefully this no filtering situation is being addressed... like now.

 

[Addendum]

I have an apartment as well. I don't have a problem with having my DVD player, VCR, PS2 (which I haven't used in a while), and my Xbox sitting on top of each other. I have a decent sound system with a good tv, and I also have space set aside for a 360.

And my neighbor has a home theatre system, Laserdisc, DVD, a 360, Xbox, PS1, N64, SNES, NES, Genesis, and a Sega Master system all hooked up. He's never had a problem with the back of his cabinet look like a wire maze.

It's also easier when you label the wires so you know what goes to what.

 

[Zenien]

Is it at all possible to a take a picture of said friends setup so I may gawk at the insane shelves he must have set up to house all or that?

 

[Fenrir]

Hey we could have the conversation about lead SKUS and the difficulty in porting titles between the platforms as well as the devtool situation all you want man, it might go over your head even though I'm no expert.

Pity you didn't realize the "difficulty in porting titles between the platforms" in the case of the 360's backwards compatibility when you were pissing all over it since it's announcement. Thank you for playing "I am a hypocrite" Zenien. We really couldn't ask for a better participant.

But then again this has nothing to do with the original arguement, it's just you trying to get in a cheap shot wherever possible.

It has everything to do with my argument. Read my previous posts. Then read them again. And then some more. If you still can't figure out the relevance of this argument to the discussion at hand, then you would have singlehandedly proved your own laughable reading comprehension.

Right, but it plays them all, and as we know is supposedly a simple firmware fix! So easy!

So until then, **** please.

I would say that I don't know why you're acting like it isn't fixable and doesn't seem like a simple thing to be fixed, but everyone already knows the answer to that...
You are out to lunch, wow.

Whenever did I say it wasn't fixable? I distinctly remember Sony ****es waving flags of victory over the fact that ALL of the PS/PS2 games would be playable on the PS3 out of the box with "no problems" at all "unlike the 360".

Yeah because
1 example = all
am i rite?

Of course, because of the unbeatable level of consistency in your posts. "One post to rule them all".

You're really reaching here. Keep your fanboy mentality in check will you. At least appear to be rational instead of a hater.

Zenien, the fangirl who'd been saying that "Lair's engine" looked more impressive than Gears of Wars is telling me to be "rational"? Our very own Ms Killzone? What is the world coming to?

Out of a couple thousand titles? 250 = a handful

And because I own some of the less popular games chances are they will never get up and running; or maybe they will a year from now? 6 more months? On top of what I've already waited? So really that leaves me with no choice but to keep my Xbox. That's hardly good BC now is it? So have fun, but PS3 BC such as it is > 360 BC, of course Nintendo's BC smokes them both.

Less popular titles like what exactly? Most of the good games already work like a charm. As far as I recall, aside from Genma Onimusha, Riddick, Jet Set Radio Future, Panzer Dragoon Orta and the two Otogi titles, there isn't many good games left in the yet-to-be-backwards-compatible list. Unless of course, you own and play crap like Blade III and Dino Crisis. *shudder*

Yeah ok Sony gets in trouble for stating the truth, oh well. Oh wait...you called me a ****e?

What "truth"? And yes, you are a Sony ****e. I mean, everyone knows you are. It's like, the introductory chapter of the orientation course for newbies to the Hype gaming forums.

Anyway, apples to oranges, each approach has a different set of advantages. I'd rather be playing my games and gettign that firmware fix, then waiting another 4-8 months for the next BC update that won't even include some of my games more then likely, which will hopefully be fixed up soon, knowing Sony's commitment to firmware updates.

I think their "commitment to firmware updates" is quite a ways down on their priority list right now thanks to their PS3 production woes and their compromising stance with Blu-Ray. Oh and there was some talk of their flagship console losing "exclusives" left and right, recently. t:

Meanwhile here I am with my Xbox, shame I don't own barbie horse adventure. (Ohhh!)

Yes, it's a shame you don't own Barbie Horse Adventures, or the countless number of great Xbox games that already are backwards-compatible. Oh and speaking of which, are these retared exaggerated and hyperbolic statements coming from the very Zenien who was ordering me to be "rational" just a while ago? Do you require any more proof of your disgusting double standard, dear?

You're sure making a lot of noise for something that's alledgedly going to be so simple to fix and such as it is is still a better solution then 360 BC considering I have no option but to keep my Xbox, unlike having the option of ditching the PS2.

At least at the moment my 360 makes my Xbox games prettier, sharper, cleaner and more vibrant than my Xbox, thereby ridding each and every incentive for me to play them on their native platform. As for the PS3, well, even though it does play all my PS2 games, unfortunately it makes them look like utter ****. Guess you too will now have to wait until the "next update" just like the 360 owners are. Hahahaha!

Ok. Sony has no clue what they're doing. I'm not going to tell you about the differences in variables between doing emulation and using the hardware since they're so obvious. But yet again, such a simple firmware fix, right? Compared to the uncessary screaming and yelling and temper tantruming that you're doing? Go take a time out.

I had my break, honey thank you very much, what with you replying to a 4-day old post.

 

[Fenrir]

Expect Fenrir to enter the thread again with massive hate whilst he desperately grasps at anything in his illogically agressive hatred.

Expect Zenien to bump this thread after a couple of days with massive number of excuses whilst she desperately grasps at anything in the pitiful defense of her favorite company.

 

[Addendum]

Is it at all possible to a take a picture of said friends setup so I may gawk at the insane shelves he must have set up to house all or that?

I don't have a camera. I've never really had a need for one

 

[Zenien]

Expect Zenien to bump this thread after a couple of days with massive number of excuses whilst she desperately grasps at anything in the pitiful defense of her favorite company.

Actually my computer had been all crashed for the past little while and the laptop I did have hates cookies. Hence the late reply. I actually wrote that reply up like 3 days ago.

 

[Zenien]

Pity you didn't realize the "difficulty in porting titles between the platforms" in the case of the 360's backwards compatibility when you were pissing all over it since it's announcement. Thank you for playing "I am a hypocrite" Zenien. We really couldn't ask for a better participant.

Your very special tactic of rewritting history is showing up again. You might care to remember that the arguement started when THWIP said that Microsoft had done everything in their power that they could possibly do to make games BC, which I called BS on, and obviously so. So, huh, you had a point somewhere...

It has everything to do with my argument. Read my previous posts. Then read them again. And then some more. If you still can't figure out the relevance of this argument to the discussion at hand, then you would have singlehandedly proved your own laughable reading comprehension.

Yeah, sure it does.

So until then, **** please.

That's rich coming from you, given this thread and your temper tantrums.

Whenever did I say it wasn't fixable? I distinctly remember Sony ****es waving flags of victory over the fact that ALL of the PS/PS2 games would be playable on the PS3 out of the box with "no problems" at all "unlike the 360".

You distinctly remember? Sounds like some more revisionist history. Very nice embelishing though, very nice. I'm sure it's perfectly logical to you.

Zenien, the fangirl who'd been saying that "Lair's engine" looked more impressive than Gears of Wars is telling me to be "rational"? Our very own Ms Killzone? What is the world coming to?

Oh... wait... I said that Lairs original video form if realtime had a better engine then Gears, remember when screens came out I said it looks fugly. Then I saw some better screens and said I 'got it' but after seeing some even better quality videos... it still looks fugly. Try again.

Less popular titles like what exactly? Most of the good games already work like a charm. As far as I recall, aside from Genma Onimusha, Riddick, Jet Set Radio Future, Panzer Dragoon Orta and the two Otogi titles, there isn't many good games left in the yet-to-be-backwards-compatible list. Unless of course, you own and play crap like Blade III and Dino Crisis. *shudder*

You basically answered your own question there. Yes, I obviously own games that don't work. At least one of the games you mentioned.

I think their "commitment to firmware updates" is quite a ways down on their priority list right now thanks to their PS3 production woes and their compromising stance with Blu-Ray. Oh and there was some talk of their flagship console losing "exclusives" left and right, recently. t:

That's sort of another aspect of things not the teams they have devoted to constantly updating and working on their software OS side. You can read interviews with them if you want. Not that I expect you to know these things, it's probably a much easier thought process for you to just jump to the conclusion that suits you with no serious thought involved.

Yes, it's a shame you don't own Barbie Horse Adventures, or the countless number of great Xbox games that already are backwards-compatible.

You missed it.

Oh and speaking of which, are these ******ed exaggerated and hyperbolic statements coming from the very Zenien who was ordering me to be "rational" just a while ago? Do you require any more proof of your disgusting double standard, dear?

I'm sorry barbie makes you so emotional.

At least at the moment my 360 makes my Xbox games prettier, sharper, cleaner and more vibrant than my Xbox, thereby ridding each and every incentive for me to play them on their native platform.

Hey I'm not argueing with that.

As for the PS3, well, even though it does play all my PS2 games, unfortunately it makes them look like utter ****. Guess you too will now have to wait until the "next update" just like the 360 owners are. Hahahaha!

Which given the trend of the PSP and even the PS3 in the precious little time it has been out, will probably be sooner rather then later. BC updates on the other hand.

I had my break, honey thank you very much, what with you replying to a 4-day old post.

You're starting to get creepy.

 

[Addendum]

Microsoft did everything they could do legally in regard to Backward Compatibility.

 

[Zenien]

I agree in terms of they didn't do what would be illigal because they couldn't. That being using the Nvidia chip, right?

 

[Addendum]

Right. They couldn't drop the NVIDIA chip from the Xbox in the 360, since that would violate various corporate and copyright laws.

 

[Fenrir]

Your very special tactic of rewritting history is showing up again. You might care to remember that the arguement started when THWIP said that Microsoft had done everything in their power that they could possibly do to make games BC, which I called BS on, and obviously so. So, huh, you had a point somewhere...

Yes, I had a point, but unfortuanetely you were too dense to grasp it and instead, jumped off on a totally pointless tangent about some argument between you and THWIP. Read that quote again and give it a second try chimpy. If you still don't get I was talking about, then I'll gladly hammer it through your vacant headspace in the next reply.

Yeah, sure it does.

That's the spirit, gal. Admitting you have a problem is the first step to self-improvement. Unfortunately for you it's only the first step and you still have long, long, long ways to go.

That's rich coming from you, given this thread and your temper tantrums.

My "temper tantrums" have little to do with Sony's blunders and more to do with the moronic Sony ****es who keep arguing with me without having a ****ing clue as to what I'm saying most of the time. Do try to keep up.

You distinctly remember? Sounds like some more revisionist history. Very nice embelishing though, very nice. I'm sure it's perfectly logical to you.

Would you stop paying so much attention to petty semantics and instead just give a straight response to the point? Such pseudo-intellectual attempts at trying to dodge the matter at hand with some kind of veiled sarcasm addressing useless technicalities are the sign of half-wits who underestimate their opponents thinking they can get away with such laughable and dishonest tricks.

Oh... wait... I said that Lairs original video form if realtime had a better engine then Gears, remember when screens came out I said it looks fugly. Then I saw some better screens and said I 'got it' but after seeing some even better quality videos... it still looks fugly. Try again.

Ms. Killzone? I win.

You basically answered your own question there. Yes, I obviously own games that don't work. At least one of the games you mentioned.

So just because one of the games you own doesn't work automatically compromises the fact that save for a few exceptions, almost every single hit and critically acclaimed game is backwards-compatible on the 360 now? Again, is this the same loudmouth Zenien who was throwing around big words like "rationality" some time ago? Guess she does't know the meaning of the word herself.

That's sort of another aspect of things not the teams they have devoted to constantly updating and working on their software OS side. You can read interviews with them if you want. Not that I expect you to know these things, it's probably a much easier thought process for you to just jump to the conclusion that suits you with no serious thought involved.

Again, how does that put you in a different position than the 360 owners, who you were pointing fingers at for having to wait for the "next update" to play their favorite last-gen games? And how are you so sure that a "simple firmware update" is going to solve ALL these problems, if any at all, especially considering the fact that the last firmware update did nothing to improve the BC of the PS3? Or if that "firmware update" is actually sooner rather than later? Really, it's throwing around words in the air is what causes you people so much trouble. And when the time comes and people rub it in your faces, you still have trouble learning to keep your trap shuts and not count your chickens before they hatch.

I'm sorry barbie makes you so emotional.

I'm sorry you lack even the most basic intellectual capacity to give a valid, relevant response to my post instead of some piss-poor jab at me. Heh, you make this so easy for me, luv.

 

[Zenien]

Yes, I had a point, but unfortuanetely you were too dense to grasp it and instead, jumped off on a totally pointless tangent about some argument between you and THWIP. Read that quote again

I did little man, you used a falicious example as your point and I shot it down, and oh look who's dodging.

My "temper tantrums" have little to do with Sony's blunders and more to do with the moronic Sony ****es who keep arguing with me without having a ****ing clue as to what I'm saying most of the time. Do try to keep up.

Uh huh. Well then maybe you should do a better job of making sense, I already know what your answer is going to be so how about you stop this part all together and a little something called focusing back on the topic can start. Face facts little man. You're making a mountain out of what is alledgedly a simple fix, and since I know you aren't going to understand that and respond with "Games looking uglier is not a molehill!!!! " re-read the thread.

Would you stop paying so much attention to petty semantics and instead just give a straight response to the point? Such pseudo-intellectual attempts at trying to dodge the matter at hand with some kind of veiled sarcasm addressing useless technicalities are the sign of half-wits who underestimate their opponents thinking they can get away with such laughable and dishonest tricks.

Hey calling you on your revisionist bull**** is an honest up front job. Not hard since it seems to flow applenty. Then of course when I do destroy your point or attempted flawed character assasination you say 'omg you don't get it moron'. But hey, Merry Christmas.

Ms. Killzone? I win.

Now that's sort of funny because I never said Killzone PS3 was realtime, and if you're using it as an example of Sony ****ing with the original Killzone, well yeah, I was uber hyped for that game, but having two sides of a coin tends to polarize people to one side or the other doesn't it. With y'all acting like a pack of monkeys flinging your **** on everything that you didn't agree with, without fail I might add; not hard to see the context of that situation. I was wrong, but I never once said Killzone would kill Halo... doubtless you remember otherwise, isn't that right.

So just because one of the games you own doesn't work automatically compromises the fact that save for a few exceptions, almost every single hit and critically acclaimed game is backwards-compatible on the 360 now?

Yes. Because I can't get rid of my Xbox, I can get rid of my PS2. Try to keep up little monkey. It tickles me though how you can't actually counter what I've said about BC though you keep up the fight anyway.

Again, is this the same loudmouth Zenien who was throwing around big words like "rationality" some time ago? Guess she does't know the meaning of the word herself.

Do you? Kicking and screaming and ruining around with your head cut off like a chicken there in the same predicament? Hey, and last time I checked, I haven't gone causing any big arguements lately by calling other companies **** or making abrassive threads or anything. Shame you can't say the same, isn't it.

Again, how does that put you in a different position than the 360 owners, who you were pointing fingers at for having to wait for the "next update" to play their favorite last-gen games?

You can play every PS2 game, small difference.

And how are you so sure that a "simple firmware update" is going to solve ALL these problems, if any at all

Hey if I remember correctly I offered a decent line of thought as to why it could probably be sooner, then you said 'lol Sony is too busy losing exclusives' which has nothing to do with their updating efforts and what a blatant fanboy stunt by you. Unless you actually thought that was a valid response.

Also, I think you'd best be noting the times I said alledgedly in this topic.

Or if that "firmware update" is actually sooner rather than later?

Did I state that as fact? Because I could have sworn I did not, again, the revisionist strikes.

especially considering the fact that the last firmware update did nothing to improve the BC of the PS3?

Actually:

PS3 firmware 1.31 adds Final Fantasy XI
A PlayStation 3 firmware update is now available for the system, nudging it along from version 1.30 to 1.31. While the US update page still doesn't list the contents of the download (c'mon Sony, if you can write the code and push it live, you can at least let us know what's in it), the Japanese page does. So now we stumble around, trying to decipher Japanese and piece together just what it is we've just stuck on our PS3. According to this machine translated page, they've added "installation of hard disk private PlayStation®2 standard software." Sure, this doesn't make any sense but if you think like a machine (follow this link), you'll realize they surely mean that PS2 software that heretofore required that system's HDD attachment is now functional. This includes Nobunaga's Ambition Online and Final Fantasy XI.

The Japanese page instructs us to download the "PS2 System Data" from the PlayStation Store; however, try as we might, we're unable to find the download. We're guessing a copy of either of the aforementioned titles may be required to install this functionality. Regardless, it's clear that -- especially if they're going to insist on frequent, mandatory updates -- Sony should consider being more communicative with their audience. Kaz, now that you're over in Japan, let 'em know that gamers in North America care about this stuff too!
http://www.joystiq.com/2006/12/13/ps3-firmware-1-31-adds-final-fantasy-xi-support/

Really, it's throwing around words in the air is what causes you people so much trouble.

Maybe you're right, maybe I have been giving people too much credit. I should be... what, bolding every sentence where in I attach the disclaimers of 'given prior history there's a chance this could happen' 'Alledgedly'? What size would you like? I have a number pad right here maybe a 9 would be enough for you? A little underlining? Maybe another font?

And when the time comes and people rub it in your faces, you still have trouble learning to keep your trap shuts and not count your chickens before they hatch.

Whoa... that's pretty arrogant right there.

I'm sorry you lack even the most basic intellectual capacity to give a valid, relevant response to my post instead of some piss-poor jab at me. Heh, you make this so easy for me, luv.

You wish. Hey far be it from me to look at your accusation and then look at you doing exactly that thing in your first response above me.

 

[Addendum]

Kinda funny that they make a download so hard to get.

 

[Zenien]

Well if you own the PS3 all you have to do is select the system update option on the XMB interface. I'm not sure if your account gets a notice when new updates are available, as I do not own a PS3.

 

[Warhammer]

Wow, I am glad that I didn't get a PS3.
It's too damn expensive and still comes with problems that really embarassing.
Sony really needs to step their game up.

 

[Fading]

Wow, I am glad that I didn't get a PS3.
It's too damn expensive and still comes with problems that really embarassing.
Sony really needs to step their game up.

Honestly tho, it's not that bad of a problem. It will be fixed, atm you can play almost all PS2 games on a PS3 even if they are in a lower resolution (which is only temporary until a fix is released). With X-box 360 some games are improved, but a lot can't or won't ever be playable on a 360 from my understanding.

(This part isn't towards Warhammer, just a more in general comment)Either way I just wish a posts about Sony's problem would stop poping up so often followed by the same X-box fans bashing Sony for 2 pages. If I wanted to I could make a post in the X-box forums about how MS plans to continue to pump out new X-boxes like crazy. How the first X-box lasted only 4 years before the next came, and right now their working on the next X-box (which has been confirmed). I can point out that my PS, PS2, and PS3 will all last me longer than either X-box has or will, but I won't t:.

So enjoy your cheap $300-400 X-box 360 because you're going to have to buy another in about 4 or so more years along with all new games, and how some of your current games won't be BC on the new system as some X-box games aren't on the 360. I miss when systems lasted 8 years or so .

(To show I wasn't making up their making another already)

"Even with four years to go, Microsoft admits that it is already working on the next Xbox, as revealed in a Kikizo video interview with European Xbox boss Chris Lewis."

http://www.slashgear.com/xbox-720-already-in-development-182103.php

P.S. Said that not to bring up X-box problems, but to show how stupid pointing out each and every single problem that arises out in new thread after new thread. All game systems, including the 360, have had big and small problems at launch. Pointing them out in hopes of rubbing it in Sony or Sony fan's faces is getting a bit stupid. If you're so desperate to take Sony down a peg then somethings wrong, game systems are about having fun not obsessing over whether a system you don't own does good or bad. If you hate Sony because you like X-box , then stop posting in the Sony section lol.

 

[Addendum]

I don't care if companies are constantly working on new consoles. There are 2 things I care about with regard to consoles:

1) Do I have enough money to buy it?
2) Is there more than 1 game I want to play on it?

If both answers are yes, then I buy. If I only have 1 yes, I don't bother.

 

[Warhammer]

I'm slow.
What is BC?