Is Marvel Relying Too Much On Nostalgia And Fanservice?

[Venom 1988]

I gotcha. I'm not too familiar with the book of you speak of, is that the official storyline book or is that something else?

No it's just a behind the scenes book written by industry journalists. The main writer of the book Joanna Robinson wrote a Vanity Fair article about the 10 year anniversary of the MCU a few years back. They got full access to interviewing all sorts of people from top down including Kevin Feige. Marvel Studios was fine with this but then at some point during the book development, Disney was apparently asking people not to talk to them lol. It's mostly about Marvel Studios but the first few chapters deal with Marvel trying to find it's footing in the entertainment industry from the 70s-00s. It's an interesting read, if nothing else if you have an interest in behind the scenes filmaking.

 

[Mr. Peanut]

I guess that depends on your personal opinions of NwH & DP3 as movies in and of themselves. With NwH, I've always said that it's a movie that's gonna hold a special place in my heart for being the first movie date between my now wife and I, but it's not that good of a movie. It's only good at the fan service it sets out to execute.

Same with Deadpool 3; it's just not that good. Some people here have said it barely had a plot and I have to agree with that. But it broke box office records and did exactly what Deadpool said it would; give the people what they came for.

Yeah I guess we're just not gonna see eye to eye on that one, as I thought they were both great (though they definitely had their imperfections).

I think I know what you are saying, but just to be sure, what do you mean here that the situation is "dubious"?

Just that it seems like there's a good chance that it'll come across as a desperate act of fanservice but also that I'll reserve judgement until after I see how they handle it .

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

No it's just a behind the scenes book written by industry journalists. The main writer of the book Joanna Robinson wrote a Vanity Fair article about the 10 year anniversary of the MCU a few years back. They got full access to interviewing all sorts of people from top down including Kevin Feige. Marvel Studios was fine with this but then at some point during the book development, Disney was apparently asking people not to talk to them lol. It's mostly about Marvel Studios but the first few chapters deal with Marvel trying to find it's footing in the entertainment industry from the 70s-00s. It's an interesting read, if nothing else if you have an interest in behind the scenes filmaking.

Ohhhhhh. I can definitely see Disney trying to stop it from happening. As much of a family friendly image they try to maintain, at the end of the day, they are just another cutthroat conglomerate.

I'm on mobile, on a plane about to take off. I'll try to look into the book further when I have the chance

Yeah I guess we're just not gonna see eye to eye on that one, as I thought they were both great (though they definitely had their imperfections).

It's all good, we can agree to disagree on that

Just that it seems like there's a good chance that it'll come across as a desperate act of fanservice but also that I'll reserve judgement until after I see how they handle it .

As we know, RDJ is a brilliant actor. He's a legend in this space, so I'm sure they'll do great with whatever script they are executing but no amount of good storytelling will undo the real life drama that led to him being cast as the main villains of Av5 in the first place.

It's gonna be hard for me to not think about that fact, no matter how much I may be enjoying the movie.

 

[TheVileOne]

No it's just a behind the scenes book written by industry journalists. The main writer of the book Joanna Robinson wrote a Vanity Fair article about the 10 year anniversary of the MCU a few years back. They got full access to interviewing all sorts of people from top down including Kevin Feige. Marvel Studios was fine with this but then at some point during the book development, Disney was apparently asking people not to talk to them lol. It's mostly about Marvel Studios but the first few chapters deal with Marvel trying to find it's footing in the entertainment industry from the 70s-00s. It's an interesting read, if nothing else if you have an interest in behind the scenes filmaking.

Sounds like the Mr. McMahon docuseries at Netflix, which WWE Studios was originally producing before the left it later on. Sounds like the book started uncovering some unsavory or perhaps elements of the story that didn't want to be made public.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

Honestly, there was nothing really that scandalous in the book.

 

[Venom 1988]

Yeah nothing scandalous or unsavory. If anything it just reaffirmed Disney/Marvel is not as perfect as they'd like to be portrayed and is just like any other company. People hated working with xyz, so and so threatened to quit, etc...

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

now that Deadpool 3 is on Disney plus, I started a rewatch of it last week, but didn't get to complete to see if I felt the same way as I did the first time I watched it. the feelings weren't that great as far as I got tbh.

 

[JazzyCrusader]

It seems like it, yes, with the way they're bringing back actors and various characters that should have had a proper farewell with the way their stories seemingly ended. I love the way it was implemented in No Way Home and Endgame, but that approach should be used sparingly—only under dire and extreme circumstances within the story. That technique has been used too liberally with the way they're constantly bringing actors and their characters back.

At that point, there are virtually no stakes because these characters can always come back on a whim, it seems. I'd rather they keep moving forward, introducing new talent and characters, instead of often looking back.

 

[psylockolussus]

When Secret Wars retire a lot of these versions/variants for good, and its all new actors now. We would be looking back and say, remember when those actors returned to their Marvel roles after such a long time. 10 to 20 years, from now. A lot of them would be too old to even consider returning and put on a costume.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

It seems like it, yes, with the way they're bringing back actors and various characters that should have had a proper farewell with the way their stories seemingly ended. I love the way it was implemented in No Way Home and Endgame, but that approach should be used sparingly—only under dire and extreme circumstances within the story. That technique has been used too liberally with the way they're constantly bringing actors and their characters back.

At that point, there are virtually no stakes because these characters can always come back on a whim, it seems. I'd rather they keep moving forward, introducing new talent and characters, instead of often looking back.

I've been a bit out of the loop, but I heard that they're also bringing back the actress for Sharon Carter too. I don't know what the expectation is, but I'm not really excited for the movie at all. And it's coming out next year, right?

 

[JazzyCrusader]

I've been a bit out of the loop, but I heard that they're also bringing back the actress for Sharon Carter too. I don't know what the expectation is, but I'm not really excited for the movie at all. And it's coming out next year, right?

If we're talking about Avengers: Doomsday, it comes out in 2026. I wish they'd just embrace a new generation of actors and characters, while continuing the story that was already set forth from the very beginning. Natural progression. I'm looking forward to it, but I've fallen off in following the past several films. I haven't been as enthused with Marvel since No Way Home, with the films following being a little disappointing.

 

[Venom 1988]

I've been a bit out of the loop, but I heard that they're also bringing back the actress for Sharon Carter too. I don't know what the expectation is, but I'm not really excited for the movie at all. And it's coming out next year, right?

Not Sharon, Peggy Carter

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Not Sharon, Peggy Carter

Silly me, thanks for the correction