Is porn corrupting society?

[nightwing06]

It all depends on the person
If it draws you away from life and people that you love,makes you selfish
yes it can be corrupting

 

[Greens]

I like how people are conflating things here in their responses. No one so far has said you can't take things to far, or that getting addicted isn't possible. For sure if you go too far you will reap what you sow and it can and will have negative effects.

What I call BS on is the idea that this just automatically happens, and sorry, that is what some people's position sound like. Again, let's not cut the human element out of things. As hard as it is for some of our college educated fellow Hypesters to believe but numbers are not the end all be all and the human factor is HUGE in many areas. Again, the existence of porn doesn't automatically do something to every human being and they themselves bear a nice measure of responsibility for their actions. I used to think that's what being an adult, especially an educated and informed one was all about but given my time on the Hype and reading what supposedly well educated people think all the time I'm starting to think that's a pipe dream given the lack of wisdom I read regularly.

Agreed.

 

[hellblazer103]

I'm on day 13 or so of no-fap myself. I'm doing it as an experiment and I'm finding it tremendously difficult. I'm waiting for the infamous "flatline" to happen ... I know it's scary to a lot of people, but I think I'll be relieved myself.

In the past 19 years, since age 13 or so, I've averaged >~2x/day. The longest I've gone without is ~5 days, I had done that when travelling. It would have never occurred to me to try a long-term nofap if not for the countless success stories online.

Porn-induced ED is clearly a real thing as per the thousands of testimonials and documented research on the issue. The outstanding questions are how common it is, who is more likely to be afflicted, and what the actual mechanisms are.There are different reasons why this might. It may be decreased sensitivity, nerve damage, dopamine-response, et cetera. A lot of possibilities. I don't think the science as to the mechanism is clear. I have looked and not found an explanation/mechanism I find satisfactory. However, that is the case for many medicines doctors prescribe, the mechanisms are not understood, only the results, and clinical trials can be quite dubious in how they're reported.

There's also a host of other benefits. I was talking to another guy about it earlier, and he says that since he's quit porn he's a lot more enthusiastic and confident about going out and meeting women. He said the ideal is to be more enthusiastic about women, to feel aroused just when sitting near them, cuddling, making out, et cetera and not needing really aggressive sex, self-stimulation, or pornography. That's the trend his body has been behaving in during the past forty days.

A third guy I spoke to about the issue a couple months ago, he quit porn early when his most recent relationship started, and he said the sex drastically improved.

This may or may not have an effect, but it's unlikely to cause harm and it's worked for a lot of people so I'm willing to try it.

FINALLY someone gets it

congrats on the 13 days .

 

[Warhammer]

What DA said was good. But I don't see how that lined up with what you said earlier, hellblazer. Just sayin'.

 

[hellblazer103]

then you don't get what i'm saying...

i clearly mentioned that porn addiction not only causes problems with your member, but it just makes you a horrid lover in general. like DA said, abstaining from porn greatly helps your interactions with an actual woman.

 

[Warhammer]

DA provided anecdotal accounts and remained fairly objective. That's not matching with what you said. I'm not a porn advocate. I just am seeking for the point you are trying to make to be objective. "In general," porn does not make a man a horrible lover or have ED. It did for you and thousands of other men in this country. In the grand scheme of things, you and those others are in the minority.

Congratulations to you for your success, though.

 

[Greens]

then you don't get what i'm saying...

i clearly mentioned that porn addiction not only causes problems with your member, but it just makes you a horrid lover in general. like DA said, abstaining from porn greatly helps your interactions with an actual woman.

Your conclusion doesn't match your findings. Yes, porn addiction can negatively impact your life and if you have it you should probably quit. However, that doesn't mean everyone would be better off without *********ion. Millions of people have got it under control and are doing just fine.

 

[hellblazer103]

Your conclusion doesn't match your findings. Yes, porn addiction can negatively impact your life and if you have it you should probably quit. However, that doesn't mean everyone would be better off without *********ion. Millions of people have got it under control and are doing just fine.

fair enough .

the main enemy , really , is PMO (porn+*********ion+orgasm ) . i posted a video in my original post suggesting that if people could cut porn out of their *********ion habits ( or really any visual stimuli for that matter ) and limit their *********ion habits to , say, once a week or every other week , as moreso practice for the real thing than to just feed a habit , there'd be many benefits from that alone.

" easy mode " of nofap is to just not PMO . normal mode is abstaining from *********ing entirely. hard mode is no ejaculation whatsoever ( including sex. yeah, **** that, right ? lol ) . it's up to the individual what mode they want to go for.

 

[Warhammer]

What is the point of "easy mode" and "hard mode" in NoFap? That's f***ing stupid. Just don't *********e. Why purposely give yourself blue balls? And more seriously, why negate the point of NoFap by not even climaxing during intercourse? Next level cult s*** right there.

 

[Greens]

fair enough .

the main enemy , really , is PMO (porn+*********ion+orgasm ) . i posted a video in my original post suggesting that if people could cut porn out of their *********ion habits ( or really any visual stimuli for that matter ) and limit their *********ion habits to , say, once a week or every other week , as moreso practice for the real thing than to just feed a habit , there'd be many benefits from that alone.

" easy mode " of nofap is to just not PMO . normal mode is abstaining from *********ing entirely. hard mode is no ejaculation whatsoever ( including sex. yeah, **** that, right ? lol ) . it's up to the individual what mode they want to go for.

I have no idea what you're talking about with these modes. I suggest people do whatever they want to do.

 

[hellblazer103]

in the description on the right :

https://www.reddit.com/r/NoFap/

and yes, people can do whatever they want, but it becomes a problem when porn becomes a replacement for real connections with another human being.

 

[Greens]

in the description on the right :

https://www.reddit.com/r/NoFap/

and yes, people can do whatever they want, but it becomes a problem when porn becomes a replacement for real connections with another human being.

I knew about that subreddit but actually looking through it... it looks like a pit of despair. I'm obviously not the target audience, but I don't see how inventing a whole lexicon is conducive to helping any newcomer. I guess it works for some people.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Is this thread for real? I mean come on.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Why what happened to her? She's probably the hottest redhead performer I know of.

She was smoking that meth, mane.

She is also a fave of Paul Thomas Anderson. lol

 

[Legendver2]

She was smoking that meth, mane.

She is also a fave of Paul Thomas Anderson. lol

Noooo you for real? That is quite unfortunate. Hope she recovers from that soon and move on to a better life.

 

[DA_Champion]

What is the point of "easy mode" and "hard mode" in NoFap? That's f***ing stupid. Just don't *********e. Why purposely give yourself blue balls? And more seriously, why negate the point of NoFap by not even climaxing during intercourse? Next level cult s*** right there.

I think that the reason for these complexities is that the science is not understood.

What's known: A whole lot men in their 20s and 30s with porn addiction have moderate to severe erectile dysfunction that does not respond to viagra, though sometimes it responds the first few times. If they abstain from PMO for a long time, their health returns. Often, younger men need a longer abstention than older men.

The rest, as far as I can tell, is speculation, though you can find some studies here and there supporting various conclusions. This video is pretty good:
[YT]EHHyt6z0osA[/YT]

 

[DA_Champion]

I knew about that subreddit but actually looking through it... it looks like a pit of despair. I'm obviously not the target audience, but I don't see how inventing a whole lexicon is conducive to helping any newcomer. I guess it works for some people.

Be glad that you don't have sexual problems. If you do as a man the response of most doctors is to offer you free viagra samples, which you can use three or four times and then you need to buy the real thing at an obscene price.

But really, that's obviously not the problem for lots of men in their 20s and 30s who are in reasonable health.

Here are the various solutions available.

From conventional medicine:
1) free samples of viagra, cialis, levitra;
2) Surgeries, such as installing mechanical pumps;
3) Creams that you can rub that cause an erection;
4) Weight loss is shown to help, but it's a small effect;
5) Homone/lipid profile. They could find something like low testosterone, or thyroid problems, etc in which case there is an obvious solution for those specific cases;

From unconventional medicine:
6) Various "ginsengs", herbs of all sorts, french pine bark extract, l-arginine powder, et cetera, I suspect most of these are snake oils. I'm in general quite disgusted with how a lot of natural products are marketed with pretend benefits. But there is historical proof that it's not 100% ********: the active ingredient in "horny goat weed" is sidenafil, which is the same chemical as in viagra. So some herbs have benefits, but it's hard to tell which as this industry is full of BS.
7) nofap, discussed in the last few pages;
8) I've read of people having success with long-term water fasts. Just yesterday, I read a long essay from someone who recovered from a specific form of ED, called "post-finasteride syndrome" with a 21-day water fast. It's a response some men have to propecia/proscar, they respond very badly and get awful side effects. He also had brain fog which he recovered from;

But if you do develop problems at some point, or one of your friends does, maybe you'll remember my summary and it will save you time.

 

[Greens]

Be glad that you don't have sexual problems.

Oh, that's not what I mean. In theory, the subreddit is a good idea. Current and former porn addicts helping others, that's good. It just looks like it has devolved into a dank echo chamber where hyperbole and closed-mindedness reign supreme. I saw several comments calling porn "poison". That's just delusional. Maybe these people have collapsed under the weight of their problems but stuff like that does not signify a healthy environment.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Haha porn does not cause ED. Jurgen your gurgen multiple times a day and not having any real intimacy can go to your head and cause a psychosomatic condition. Basically, a self-fulfilling prophecy in one's one mind due to lack of real physical intimacy. I know when I was consistently getting with the ladies I still did it every now and then anyway. Now that I'm in my 30's and haven't been dating much these last few years once a day is good enough for me. Sometimes I forget, most days I don't. I'm fully confident that the next woman I'm with I will have no issues satisfying. Even back in the day when I was raging hormones and doing that multiple times a day I still never had a problem. Only time I ever had an issue was either because I was too drunk or on extasy.

 

[DA_Champion]

Oh, that's not what I mean. In theory, the subreddit is a good idea. Current and former porn addicts helping others, that's good. It just looks like it has devolved into a dank echo chamber where hyperbole and closed-mindedness reign supreme. I saw several comments calling porn "poison". That's just delusional. Maybe these people have collapsed under the weight of their problems but stuff like that does not signify a healthy environment.

It's common among addicts. I know an alcoholic who sometimes tries to argue with me that alcohol should be illegal.

I see your point, but I'm so desensitised to this behaviour that I can't share in your outrage.

 

[Flint Marko]

I think I'm a late bloomer in that my sex drive really kicked into high-gear within the past year or two (I'm 23, for reference). Supposedly the average male sex drive peaks around 18 or so, at least that's what I've heard, but that has not been the case for me. As such I feel the desire to get physical with my girlfriend more often than I used to, or if that is not an option, take matters into my own hands.
I wasn't aware of any potentially hazardous effects that PMO would have on my drive, but it has me interested in taking a bit of a break and seeing what happens. *********ion is something that I view as something that can occasionally be beneficial so I might not try and cut that out entirely, but pornography needs to go. I don't see any benefit in continuing down that path. Marc Maron has a good stand-up bit about getting "porn brain" and that's something I certainly want to steer clear of.

 

[Warhammer]

I think that the reason for these complexities is that the science is not understood.

What's known: A whole lot men in their 20s and 30s with porn addiction have moderate to severe erectile dysfunction that does not respond to viagra, though sometimes it responds the first few times. If they abstain from PMO for a long time, their health returns. Often, younger men need a longer abstention than older men.

The rest, as far as I can tell, is speculation, though you can find some studies here and there supporting various conclusions. This video is pretty good:
[YT]EHHyt6z0osA[/YT]

Sorry to come off as insensitive but I have to agree with Greens and DJ Kidd on everything they've been saying.

 

[Legendver2]

Again, moderation is what leads to a healthy happy mindset. Extremes on either end creates something else entirely.

 

[DA_Champion]

Again, moderation is what leads to a healthy happy mindset. Extremes on either end creates something else entirely.

On the other hand, an alcoholic will benefit by not touching alcohol at all for an extended period. If you go into rehab for a drug addiction issue, they cut you off from a lot of substances, and technology as well. A friend of mine went into rehab due to sleeping aid abuse for two (might have been three) weeks, he did not have access to internet.

That's the standard medical approach to substance abuse: replace one extreme with the other extreme for an extended period.

Some people quit cigarettes gradually, others have to stop all at once.

 

[Legendver2]

On the other hand, an alcoholic will benefit by not touching alcohol at all for an extended period. If you go into rehab for a drug addiction issue, they cut you off from a lot of substances, and technology as well. A friend of mine went into rehab due to sleeping aid abuse for two (might have been three) weeks, he did not have access to internet.

That's the standard medical approach to substance abuse: replace one extreme with the other extreme for an extended period.

Some people quit cigarettes gradually, others have to stop all at once.

Fair enough. Sometimes if you are at an extreme, you need to go the other way to bring you back to balance.