Is the gaming comminity dead? JonTron's answer

[SuperFerret]

What if, just what if, this "JonTron" guy was using a euphemism to explain that maybe the gaming community will never be free of sexism?

 

[DarkSovereignty]

What if, just what if, this "JonTron" guy was using a euphemism to explain that maybe the gaming community will never be free of sexism?

That's crazy... You're crazy: and that's why I need menemism.

 

[KevanG]

Don't be ridiculous with your metaphors and things. We got it right the first time.

 

[Guts]

The new hype conspiracy theory is that the child eating Vatican is working in tandem with Japanese painters to enslave men.

 

[Sawyer]

The new hype conspiracy theory is that the child eating Vatican is working in tandem with Japanese painters to enslave men.

Ugh. Don't even start that s*** up again.

 

[DarkSovereignty]

The new hype conspiracy theory is that the child eating Vatican is working in tandem with Japanese painters to enslave men.

And all men with mustaches are hitler.

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

The new hype conspiracy theory is that the child eating Vatican is working in tandem with Japanese painters to enslave men.

This needs to be turned into some kind of "creepy pasta" story.

 

[Guts]

Another fact worth mentioning: some of the women in Harukawa's work are wearing Nazi uniforms.

From what I seen on google, a lot of the women in his work don't wear any bottoms. So therefore if I'm not wearing any pants then I'm a Nazi sympathizer.

 

[Brother Jack]

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[The Question]

Yes, there are a lot of radicals like Anita Sarkeesian, but most women are normal.

Valerie Solanis advocated for the creation of a lesbian separatist state where interactions with men would be limited to clinical breeding environments, and she shot Andy Warhol. She was a radical.

Anita Sarkeesian suggested in a few youtube videos that video games should on the whole have less T&A, be more nuanced and thoughtful in their representations of sexual violence, and have more well rounded and interesting female protagonists. She is not a radical.

 

[DA_Champion]

Valerie Solanis advocated for the creation of a lesbian separatist state where interactions with men would be limited to clinical breeding environments, and she shot Andy Warhol. She was a radical.

Anita Sarkeesian suggested in a few youtube videos that video games should on the whole have less T&A, be more nuanced and thoughtful in their representations of sexual violence, and have more well rounded and interesting female protagonists. She is not a radical.

Anita Sarkeesian will come off as a radical to most people, as the spectrum of legitimate debate in the United States (for example) is defined by the end points delineated by CNN and Fox News.

Unless you make an effort you won't be aware that there is a greater range of rational opinion.

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

God, that Valerie Solanis sounds like a psychopath. I find her equally disgusting and dangerous as the Men's Rights movement on the other extreme. What the hell is wrong with some people?

 

[Xantusia]

From what I seen on google, a lot of the women in his work don't wear any bottoms. So therefore if I'm not wearing any pants then I'm a Nazi sympathizer.

That's a strawman argument if I ever seen one. You can't claim everyone with mustache's will become like Hitler or that those who don't wear pants are Nazi synpthesizers. You're making broad assumptions based, not on facts, but generalizations. Example of a strawman argument: Saying that if guns are banned would mean that criminals would still get guns somehow.

Valerie Solanis advocated for the creation of a lesbian separatist state where interactions with men would be limited to clinical breeding environments, and she shot Andy Warhol. She was a radical.

Anita Sarkeesian suggested in a few youtube videos that video games should on the whole have less T&A, be more nuanced and thoughtful in their representations of sexual violence, and have more well rounded and interesting female protagonists. She is not a radical.

I didn't even know who Valerie Solanis is, I doubt most people do either. A lot of people know who Anita is because of her Youtube videos and her fundraising campaign in which she made like a 100 grand claiming she'd use it to develop video games but so far never did.

I'm not saying Valerie Solanis isn't a radical but you can't really compare someone who was likely mentally ill to someone who knows very well what's she saying and her vilifies male gamers for playing supposedly sexist games. Who is the real radical?

 

[knowsbleed]

Aren't all of these assumptions... broad assumptions?

*rimshot*

 

[DA_Champion]

I didn't even know who Valerie Solanis is, I doubt most people do either. A lot of people know who Anita is because of her Youtube videos and her fundraising campaign in which she made like a 100 grand claiming she'd use it to develop video games but so far never did.

Another fallacy of the anti-Sarkeesian brigade is that she made out like a bandit and it's often implied she's living like a princess because she got US$ 150,000 in funds for ~27 months of research.

FYI, academic research including expenses typically costs as much or more. The floor in the USA, for researchers who are bottom of the barrel, is probably $40,000/year which includes salary, health insurance, benefits, but also the physical cost of infrastructure in which to do research, access to libraries, journals, office space that is furnished and with electricity and plumbing, computers, and the cost in value of the people's time with which that person interacts. In Sarkeesian's case she might need to hire someone to play those games for her to capture screenshots at the appropriate moments, to play those games to realise where the appropriate moments are (that takes time), to edit her videos, et cetera.

And ~$40,000 is the approximate floor, most of those people are learning and actually produce a lot less than Sarkeesian, incomes and expenses go up beyond that level.

Sarkeesian's produced six videos that average ~25 minutes in that time frame, they have a median number of views of ~1,000,000. I have not seen all of them, but the ones I did see were constructed like academic research would be, though in a different format and with less jargon as is befitting the audience.

 

[the_ultimate_evil]

That's a strawman argument if I ever seen one. You can't claim everyone with mustache's will become like Hitler or that those who don't wear pants are Nazi synpthesizers. You're making broad assumptions based, not on facts, but generalizations. Example of a strawman argument: Saying that if guns are banned would mean that criminals would still get guns somehow.

Which is exactly what you've been doing this entire thread based on a painters style.

I didn't even know who Valerie Solanis is, I doubt most people do either. A lot of people know who Anita is because of her Youtube videos and her fundraising campaign in which she made like a 100 grand claiming she'd use it to develop video games but so far never did.

I'm not saying Valerie Solanis isn't a radical but you can't really compare someone who was likely mentally ill to someone who knows very well what's she saying and her vilifies male gamers for playing supposedly sexist games. Who is the real radical?

Umm I don't know maybe the nut job who wanted genocide of an entire sex and tried to kill someone

But yeah sure some woman putting forth a counter opinion to the general consensus on the internet is just as bad

 

[Guts]

That's a strawman argument if I ever seen one. You can't claim everyone with mustache's will become like Hitler or that those who don't wear pants are Nazi synpthesizers. You're making broad assumptions based, not on facts, but generalizations. Example of a strawman argument: Saying that if guns are banned would mean that criminals would still get guns somehow.

*Confused*

 

[bullets]

If guns were banned criminals WOULD still get ahold of them. I don't see that as a straw man argument. Just sayin!

 

[The Question]

I didn't even know who Valerie Solanis is, I doubt most people do either. A lot of people know who Anita is because of her Youtube videos and her fundraising campaign in which she made like a 100 grand claiming she'd use it to develop video games but so far never did.

She never claimed that.

I'm not saying Valerie Solanis isn't a radical but you can't really compare someone who was likely mentally ill to someone who knows very well what's she saying and her vilifies male gamers for playing supposedly sexist games. Who is the real radical?

Anita Sarkeesian isn't vilifying anyone. All she's doing is pointing out sexist trends in gaming narratives. If that makes you feel like the villain in this situation, that says more about you than it does about her.

God, that Valerie Solanis sounds like a psychopath. I find her equally disgusting and dangerous as the Men's Rights movement on the other extreme. What the hell is wrong with some people?

To be fair, those can of soup paintings were kind of obnoxious.

 

[C. Lee]

That's a strawman argument if I ever seen one. You can't claim everyone with mustache's will become like Hitler or that those who don't wear pants are Nazi synpthesizers. You're making broad assumptions based, not on facts, but generalizations. Example of a strawman argument: Saying that if guns are banned would mean that criminals would still get guns somehow.

Please Google such things as; humor, sarcasm, joke, tin foil hats, Ray Bolger, and Ka nama kaa lajerama.

 

[The Question]

This thread precludes the possibility that hyperbole exists.

 

[C. Lee]

This thread precludes the possibility that hyperbole exists.

That's easy for you to say.....

 

[The Question]

That's easy for you to say.....

What?

 

[C. Lee]

What?

He's on second.

 

[The Original Bamfer]

This is probably the most unintentionally bizarre threads I've read this year...