First Avenger Is Today's Society too Cynical for a movie like Cap?

[R_Hythlodeus]

tdk made big money not because of Nolan and it's dark, gritty edge. It made big money due to the hype/death/performance of one actor. Thor made more money than batman begins

While Heaths death was a factor it wasn't the only one. the main factor was that Batman Begins was a pretty good movie that was able to get many people excited for a sequel. Also TDK had probably the best marketing I've ever seen for a movie. If Heath had'nt died the movie would still have made tons of money. Just not that high amount it made.

 

[hatebox]

tdk made big money not because of Nolan and it's dark, gritty edge. It made big money due to the hype/death/performance of one actor. Thor made more money than batman begins

DO you think it's appropriate to compare the box office of films 6 years apart, especially when one's in 3D? If Thor didn't beat Begins' worldwide take it wouldn't be getting a sequel.

 

[TheVileOne]

Yes there is. In times such as these characters like Cap are even more important.

The problem is that I feel the marketing campaign failed to capitalize on this.

 

[truth]

yep....the marketing campaign SUCKED.

 

[CConn]

And today the US loses its triple A rating.

Yep. And if you had said the US was in a state of economic decline, I'd agree with you.

Terminal is yet to be seen.

 

[Ponyboy]

It's not doing poorly overseas.

It's not doing well here. I saw it with 3 mates in a theatre earlier this week and it was less than half full. Out of the 4 of us, 3 of us disliked it (including me). I felt it was a poor attempt to re-hash the first Iron Man, and for me it failed because the story wasn't driven enough to move me. I wanted to like it, I really did... but I found myself shifting in my seat. Everything leading up to Evans become Captain America was pretty solid. After that I don't think he became the character he was supposed to be. I didn't admire him, and I certainly didn't find him interesting to watch. Also the action sequences I felt were fairly poor, and not solid enough to make up for the lack of plot. If it does poorly, it has nothing to do with "America"... it's because it's not a good film.

 

[Spider-Fan]

It's not doing well here. I saw it with 3 mates in a theatre earlier this week and it was less than half full. Out of the 4 of us, 3 of us disliked it (including me). I felt it was a poor attempt to re-hash the first Iron Man, and for me it failed because the story wasn't driven enough to move me. I wanted to like it, I really did... but I found myself shifting in my seat. Everything leading up to Evans become Captain America was pretty solid. After that I don't think he became the character he was supposed to be. I didn't admire him, and I certainly didn't find him interesting to watch. Also the action sequences I felt were fairly poor, and not solid enough to make up for the lack of plot. If it does poorly, it has nothing to do with "America"... it's because it's not a good film.

The fact your friends liked/disliked it is NEVER a good indicator whether a film is doing well or not. The sooner people realize this, the better.

 

[Ponyboy]

That judgement was based on the amount of asses that were in the seats, bub.

 

[Iceman]

I think there is a gap in the market for a genuine black-and-white hero amongst today's 'crazies'. Not edgy, funny, antihero or possessing super flashy powers...just an honest goodhearted guy who does his duty. I love it!

 

[CConn]

That judgement was based on the amount of asses that were in the seats, bub.

But you're from New Zealand.

If Flight of the Conchords have taught me anything, it's that you people are wholly unimportant.

 

[Ponyboy]

If Flight of the Conchords have taught me anything, it's that you people are wholly unimportant.

Well then you and I have something in common.

 

[X Knight]

I think there is a gap in the market for a genuine black-and-white hero amongst today's 'crazies'. Not edgy, funny, antihero or possessing super flashy powers...just an honest goodhearted guy who does his duty. I love it!

I agree!!

same goes for Superman.

it's times like these where we need that morally upright, down-to-earth, paragon of virtue to give us hope and inspire us.

 

[Nemi]

Guys, this ain't the 90's or even the 80's. It's the millenium where everything needs to be dark and serious....EVEN Spiderman. It makes me wonder, if guys or even kids can appreciate Captain America which is in stark contrast to the films that get released these days.

The whole cheesy patriotic and heroic theme is very far from the new standard that Nolan is setting with his Batman films that have been amazingly successful.

So, question is, do you think there is room in today's world for a film like Cap?

The ''patriotic and heroic'' theme is only cheesy if it's done wrong. It might require a bit more thought and care but when it's done right it can be just as good as something dark and gritty.

 

[Ita-KalEl]

The problem of Cap America is that Nazists were beaten in 1945.

 

[CConn]

Well then you and I have something in common.

No, I'm American. As hatsbox said, the only one more important than me is a billion Chinese people.

 

[The Batman]

I'm sorry. Hopefully I'm wrong, But this thread just seems like a veiled/subtle attempt at bashing or expressing frustration with the success of Nolan's Batman films...because obviously, as people have said, Captain American made money. It kicked Harry Potter's butt, for god's sakes. Also, kids movies still make a killing at the box office, no darkness needed.

 

[Ponyboy]

No, I'm American. As hatsbox said, the only one more important than me is a billion Chinese people.

When I said we both had something in common I quoted your line about me being "wholly unimportant." Jeez yer thick, fella

 

[CConn]

When I said we both had something in common I quoted your line about me being "wholly unimportant." Jeez yer thick, fella

Um...yes, I understand that. I was parodying Americans' often criticized attitude of superiority among other nations by inferring my nationality makes me more important than others.

If you need me to explain any other insults to you, you can always reach me by PM.

 

[Ponyboy]

Um...yes, I understand that. I was parodying Americans' often criticized attitude of superiority among other nations by inferring my nationality makes me more important than others.

If you need me to explain any other insults to you, you can always reach me by PM.

Seems to me you weren't parodying it at all, but rather embodying it.

 

[CConn]

Seems to me you weren't parodying it at all, but rather embodying it.

Nope, because if I embodied it, I wouldn't have said that a billion Chinese people were more important than me. That comment alone made it quite obvious that I was being sarcastic.

Please just drop it. Your attempts at comebacks aren't working. All they're doing is highlighting your obliviousness.

 

[Reality]

Well I expected Cap to make a lot more money since it's easily been the best movie

 

[Dwarf Slayer]

It kicked Harry Potter's butt, for god's sakes.

LOL no. Surviving Harry Potter and beating Harry Potter are two very different things.

HP was made double what CA has at the domestic box office. Let's not even get started on international.

Critically, HP beat CA as well.

Captain America is a success and a well regarded movie, but let's not make foolish (and blatantly wrong) statements.

 

[Captain27]

The message of the movie behind captain america was true and is the kind of message and hero we should see more often honestly. It was very refreshing and uplifting. Most of hollywood is too cynical to ever make a movie like that on their own.

It's why cap can be so hard to write for, why mark miller turned him into an swaggering *******, because he simply couldn't relate to who cap was and what he stood for. You've got to be able to relate to your character in order to write them.

We are darn lucky that Avi Arad appreciated what cap stood for enough to make sure this movie was done right in terms of style and tone. Cap is a classic true hero, not just a guy with super powers. For so long the comics and movie industry has taken the hero out of super hero.
Cap is a classic hero in the same way superman is, except cap doesn't have godlike powers which makes him even more amazing.

I do believe that the only reason captain america isn't going to come near iron man and thor in box office is because it doesn't appeal to the angsty and cynical worldview of most in today's western society.
Not everyone can relate to cap or the message of the movie.

 

[Captain27]

It's not doing well here. I saw it with 3 mates in a theatre earlier this week and it was less than half full. Out of the 4 of us, 3 of us disliked it (including me). I felt it was a poor attempt to re-hash the first Iron Man, and for me it failed because the story wasn't driven enough to move me.

The story was nothing remotely like Iron Man, nor did they try to be.
The fact that you were going in hoping for something like Iron Man was your problem.

Some people just don't "get" cap, and they probably won't until they mature more.

 

[Captain27]

I'll also take this time to predict that the new emo spiderman reboot will be a failure.