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I think AMS will do fine.
godlike powers, no But, Cap does have Superpowers .The message of the movie behind captain america was true and is the kind of message and hero we should see more often honestly. It was very refreshing and uplifting. Most of hollywood is too cynical to ever make a movie like that on their own.
It's why cap can be so hard to write for, why mark miller turned him into an swaggering *******, because he simply couldn't relate to who cap was and what he stood for. You've got to be able to relate to your character in order to write them.
We are darn lucky that Avi Arad appreciated what cap stood for enough to make sure this movie was done right in terms of style and tone. Cap is a classic true hero, not just a guy with super powers. For so long the comics and movie industry has taken the hero out of super hero.
Cap is a classic hero in the same way superman is, except cap doesn't have godlike powers which makes him even more amazing.
I do believe that the only reason captain america isn't going to come near iron man and thor in box office is because it doesn't appeal to the angsty and cynical worldview of most in today's western society.
Not everyone can relate to cap or the message of the movie.
Um, no. Millar knew exactly what he was doing in his characterization of Cap. He was supposed to be America as the world sees it...personified. And he succeeded pretty spectacularly.why cap can be so hard to write for, why mark miller turned him into an swaggering *******, because he simply couldn't relate to who cap was and what he stood for. You've got to be able to relate to your character in order to write them.
I think many people are pre-judging the movie.
Based upon the name CAPTAIN AMERICA they think this might be a hyper pro-american movie and/or they think that it might be very cheesy.
A female colleague at work was for some reason put-off by it and really fought against seeing it. After seeing it she completely changed her tune and really liked the movie.
Among people who are comicbook aware but not really comicbook lovers there is a perception that CAP is lame and the only thing he has is a shield which is also lame...
Thus it's audience and fanbase will explode.
Ok, now I'm a sucker for a guy with a shield, but I was certain I'd hate it. Thought it'd be an awful parody of an american, and an even worse parody of a hero.
I was won over. I'm a part of that exploding audience and fanbase, and I can't get enough of this character... and really, I'm pretty cynical. But I loves me some Cap!
Are you planning in robbing a bank?yeah, it made money but im talking BIG money
I'll also take this time to predict that the new emo spiderman reboot will be a failure.
Well, the OP does have a point; film producers have been confusing the success of Nolan's movies with some "need" for dark and gritty.
Do you count 9/11 as equaling a lack of danger? They took out 3,000 people in minutes, while it took us 10 years to kill one man.America was never in any actual danger form those countries, unlike in WWII where Japan bombed Pearl Harbour.
America was in danger from Japan and Germany, they posed an existential threat. Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. were never an existential threat to the United States, and the subsequent mass deaths in those countries were not justified. A targeted intervention in Afghanistan was justified, and no more. You say it took 10 years to kill Bin Ladin, but the historical record shows that he wasn't much of a priority in the first few years.Do you count 9/11 as equaling a lack of danger? They took out 3,000 people in minutes, while it took us 10 years to kill one man.
I think one reason why heroes like Cap have declined in overall popularity is because many people in the U.S. stand firmly against what their own country was founded on. There's whole groups of people who honestly believe that every behavior should be equalized, no matter how destructive by any standard. They also seem to think that America's a racist, hateful, murderous nation bent on conquest, which is about as far from the truth as you can get.
Captain America was created to represent the core values this great country was originally built on: absolute truth, unwavering bravery, personal responsibility, and patriotism detached from guilt or shame. As a character, Steve stands proudly in support of the ideas which so many nowadays have either abandoned, or still believe but refuse to reveal due to fear. If he were real, Steve would be the biggest opponent of political correctness this country's ever seen...and sadly, many Americans would hate him for it.
That whole paragraph is hinged on the word "tolerance", which has sadly changed definition in popular culture over the last several decades. Embracing plainly contradicting things as equally true is not tolerant, but foolish. Basic logic dictates that right and wrong are mutually exclusive; if something's true, it applies to everyone regardless of personal belief. If he were real, Steve wouldn't insult someone for pursuing a same-sex relationship, but he wouldn't be dancing at "gay pride" parades either. There's a difference between hating someone as a person, and standing for the truth...even if it means disappointing or angering someone you care about.Actually wouldn't the Red Skull be the biggest opponent of political correctness, at least in the comics. Red Skull is racist, sexist, homophobic psychopath and is currently trying to organize genocide against the mutant race. Heck there was story where Red Skull was harassing a WWII vet Cap befriended who happened to be gay, Cap certainly did not look down on him like the Red Skull did. I don't think its "political correctness" fight against hate and intolerance, which I hope is more of a theme in future Cap movies.
That whole paragraph is hinged on the word "tolerance", which has sadly changed definition in popular culture over the last several decades. Embracing plainly contradicting things as equally true is not tolerant, but foolish. Basic logic dictates that right and wrong are mutually exclusive; if something's true, it applies to everyone regardless of personal belief. If he were real, Steve wouldn't insult someone for pursuing a same-sex relationship, but he wouldn't be dancing at "gay pride" parades either. There's a difference between hating someone as a person, and standing for the truth...even if it means disappointing or angering someone you care about.
By contrast, political correctness is all about attempting to equalize every choice, no matter how opposite from each other they may be. Its the mindset which popularized the phrase, "truth lies in the eye of the beholder".
As I said, someone like Cap would treat the individual with respect, but also remain in patient opposition to their personal choice when activism is concerned. Political correctness is all about the mentality of victimhood, holding offense as the most despicable thing in society...whether its intended by others or not.Yeah but Red Skull intentionally humiliated a man for no reason other then the fact he was homosexual, that is unbelievably cruel and nasty. What is Cap supposed to say to that guy, that Red Skull was right and that guy was inferior because he was homosexual?
I'm not going to make this into a political debate, but it seems like Red Skull is far more politically incorrect then Cap was. The Nazis were many things, but they were not politically correct. The idea of an Aryan Master Race doesn't seem very politically correct at all.
Where do we draw the line at where political correctness begins and where hatred and intolerance begins?
As I said, someone like Cap would treat the individual with respect, but also remain in patient opposition to their personal choice when activism is concerned. Political correctness is all about the mentality of victimhood, holding offense as the most despicable thing in society...whether its intended by others or not.
For example, Carrie Prejean was baited by Perez Hilton a few years ago, and standing for what she truly believed resulted in a huge backlash because Perez refused to keep his foolish mouth shut. He intentionally manipulated that situation to go against her, saying Carrie was a "dumb b*tch" because she didn't agree with homosexuality being legalized across the board. Someone with Cap's sense of morality would defend people who are truly victims of cruelty, instead of siding with folks who personally condemn anyone who doesn't share their viewpoint.