Fant4stic "It's Clobberin' Time!" - The Ben "Thing" Grimm Thread

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JAK®;29415861 said:
The entire audience loved it, not just geeks. Because it was ultimately a human moment. That's what made you believe that Cap and Hulk were real instead of Chris Evans in blue tights talking to a computer generated model.
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Agree!
 
Ragnaroknroll said:
Oh come on. Tell me you didn't geek out when Cap said: "Hulk - smash!"

It's all in the execution.
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I didn't have a problem with that because it didn't sound forced or artificial.

If Ben is speaking in 1960's vernacular, it will sound forced and artificial.
 
Willie Lumpkin said:
I didn't have a problem with that because it didn't sound forced or artificial.

If Ben is speaking in 1960's vernacular, it will sound forced and artificial.
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1960s vernacular is different from what you described. A tendency to talk for too long is not a dated product of the 60s, it is something that people have always done since humanity learned to speak and we all know people who do it. Monologuing is a staple of literature. Catchphrases like "It's Clobberin' time!" are made timeless by being attached to a compelling character. It's not like we're advocating for "That Mary Jane is a real Pussywillow!" type dialogue.
 
Willie Lumpkin said:
If you saw TASM2, I think you'd understand. If you've seen Batman and Robin, it was a subtler variation of that.

The important thing is to capture the spirit of the comics without being overly literal. I think we would all agree that if used a series of FF comics as a script for a film, it would be pretty terrible.

The key is in understanding what Kirby and Lee were trying to accomplish and accomplishing that same thing on film.

Again, to me, it's all about real people engaged in extraordinary adventures with extraordinary visuals. And in the sake of making the characters feel real in terms of their actions, interactions etc. I would sacrifice some of Stan Lee's dialogue and fluorishes which wouldn't feel very 'real' in a film.
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I believe you. And your comparisons to Batman and Robin make me shudder. I was never able to actually even make it through to the end of that movie.

I agree that cartoony can certainly be overdone to a fault and I'm sure there are plenty examples of that. Why the first two FF films even fall into that category.

I do still disagree however that the signature flourishes from the comics that you describe are necessarily disposable. I think in the right hands it could be well ... fantastic. Part of the reason Marvel has been so successful is a healthy sense of self-awareness about the absurd that enables audiences to laugh and just go along with it and move on to the more serious human moments. They embrace what other producers of these films attempt to discard because they don't know how to do otherwise. I think that together with their continuity is the key to what makes their films so accessible to such a wide variety of audiences.

To me the FF is the kind of property that should be just as accessible. No they shouldn't be corny, kiddie films but they should veer family friendly. Dark, gritty, blah blah blah is all wrong and is only going to divide the audience further. The Incredibles was a brilliant family friendly film that demonstrated how to do it right.
 
JAK®;29415959 said:
1960s vernacular is different from what you described. A tendency to talk for too long is not a dated product of the 60s, it is something that people have always done since humanity learned to speak and we all know people who do it. Monologuing is a staple of literature. Catchphrases like "It's Clobberin' time!" are made timeless by being attached to a compelling character. It's not like we're advocating for "That Mary Jane is a real Pussywillow!" type dialogue.
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Ragnaroknroll said:
I believe you. And your comparisons to Batman and Robin make me shudder. I was never able to actually even make it through to the end of that movie.

I agree that cartoony can certainly be overdone to a fault and I'm sure there are plenty examples of that. Why the first two FF films even fall into that category.

I do still disagree however that the signature flourishes from the comics that you describe are necessarily disposable. I think in the right hands it could be well ... fantastic. Part of the reason Marvel has been so successful is a healthy sense of self-awareness about the absurd that enables audiences to laugh and just go along with it and move on to the more serious human moments. They embrace what other producers of these films attempt to discard because they don't know how to do otherwise. I think that together with their continuity is the key to what makes their films so accessible to such a wide variety of audiences.

To me the FF is the kind of property that should be just as accessible. No they shouldn't be corny, kiddie films but they should veer family friendly. Dark, gritty, blah blah blah is all wrong and is only going to divide the audience further. The Incredibles was a brilliant family friendly film that demonstrated how to do it right.
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I'm not saying to completely dismiss or discard those elements but they have to be used carefully and they can't be done in ways that jar people out of feeling they're watching something that could really be happening (your 'Hulk Smash' example is perfect example of doing it right).

Reed can talk too much, but it should feel like a real person who talks too much. If there's a cannonball hurtling toward them, he shouldn't be discussing its momentum and rotational inertia . . . he should be f***ing getting out of the way.
 
Ragnaroknroll said:
And let's be honest here - they wouldn't even be making this film if the rights weren't expiring in a month or two.

Recently there was leaked test footage of a Deadpool film that's been limbo for who knows how long. Now I'm not a Deadpool fan but I hear other people clamoring all the time for a Deadpool movie. But Fox have never moved forward on it and there's always some excuse as to why they haven't. Meanwhile, nobody was clamoring for an FF film - the opposite in fact - but here we are. What's the difference? Fox doesn't have to make a Deadpool film because they've already renewed the rights with their X-Men releases so they can sit on those rights and do nothing with them for as long as they please. That's all you need to know about the motive behind this movie.
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LOL. I didn't know Fox cared so much. They just leaked the Deadpool footage in hi-def.
 
Tony Stark said:
Then why the heck did you say they didn't want to do it and sold it to a studio who did want to?
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It would appear that he was attempting to twist the facts. Not the first time I might add. You're better than that CWR. I've seen you contribute much more meaningfully to our endless little debates.
 
I wouldn't mind a "clobberin' time" nod if it wasn't done too cheesy. Like maybe in the scene before they head out for the final confrontation, the Thing just smirks and says something like "Welp, looks like it's clobberin' time," sort of sarcastic and tongue-in-cheek, right before the scene ends and cuts to the battle. Something small and subtle like that could really help the line regain some of its badassery, in addition to being a nice fanboy squee moment.
 
Willie Lumpkin said:
That's interesting! We talked this to death last time around, but if they had gone with a design like that, they would have had to use actuators etc. rather than using Chiklis' expressions, so the film-makers chose, rightly or wrongly, to go with the design they did.

In this case, we don't have those limitations.

I also remember Tim Story using the old standby "it would be too 'cartoony' " to rationalize their decision to not include a brow.

The crazy thing is every time Fox makes a Superhero film, they seem to be obsessed with the idea of it not being too 'cartoony' . . . but I have never seen anybody fault a film like this for being too cartoony. We've got a talking raccoon in GOTG, but I've yet to hear anyone say they're not seeing it because of that. On the contrary, that seems to be one of the big draws.
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I suppose this would be too 'cartoony' to Fox execs.
 

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I can't wait for that scene!
 
He's not orange at all, and the way the rocks are formed is much more jagged and raised. Interesting...
 
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The nod to Korg in TDW seemed like a test for what they'd do with Grimm.
 
Model looks boss. Of course the color is off. It's a BTS shot from a green screen room. I swear... Geeks/Nerds/Fanboys pride themselves for being so much smarter than other people and then log on to the internet to disprove that assumption again and again in forum after forum.
 
Kelly said:
Please read the sticky posts at the top of forums, they contain information that is very important and should be read before you post on a forum....

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From the Sticky Thread at the top of this forum.

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Oops. My bad. My intention was not to show the released artwork but wobbly's far superior version of it. Also in the back of my mind I was somehow thinking that Trank had said that pic was official but then remembered that wasn't Real Trank but Fake Trank. Doh!

It's hard to keep up with the rodeo lately.

But in any case if that model is accurate it's a terrible version of the Thing.
 
That Thing greenscreen photo - Best I can come up with is if DC's Shrapnel and Malibu's Rust had a love-child, he would be the result. Looks a bit meaner and harsher than the Ben Grimm that I'm used to, if truth me told.
 
So Thing wasn't the green monstrosity in the picture after all? Or is it? He is definitely orange in the movie, so that's something.
 
From the brief screenshot we got in the trailer of him I thought he looked great, and actually looked made of rock.
 
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